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Sylvia
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 Posted - 02/22/2013 : 12:50:46
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So gang, I've been having this toothache for the past few weeks.
I had pain in this area before about 9 months ago. Went to a dentist and after xrays and smacking me with a tiny hammer said that it isn't the tooth but a sinus infection that is pressing down into the nerves. I said oh, so you'll just give me antibiotics. She said no, I have to go to the doctor for that. But that I'll need those fillings replaced as they are old. I of course didn't. I went and got Zyrtec 24 hour and then also took decongestants, and it went away in a few days fine and dandy.
Now same area pains. I hadn't just got over a cold or anything. I was a little sinusy so I bought a different antihistamine but a 24 hour one and decongestant. When it didn't go away I thought ok, tms then. It goes away from oral analgesic. It is never there in the morning and as long as I eat soft and bland it doesn't show up. But if I eat chewy things, or vinegar or sirachi hot sauce, hot damn my face is on fire in pain. Today I tried sugary and man does that set it off too.
So I bought a little tooth mirror to see if a filling part came off, but I guess the only way to know that is to use the nice silver pick that came with it and....
I'd rather eat soft and bland lol
Why not just go to the dentist? Cuz that first trip was free with husbands insurance. This next one wont be.
So it's tms or it aint.
Any harm in waiting this out for another month? What do people around the world do without dentists? Stay drunk?
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 02/22/2013 : 13:04:24
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Hi Sylvia,
Sorry to hear of your pain. Your question is a very specific medical one that most of us will not be able to answer properly. I do know, however, that TMS pain can manifest in any part of the body, including teeth. You will have to decide whether you want to wait a month or not before going to see a dentist. If the pain is as intense as you say it is, I personally would not wait. I would try another dentist as it is always better to get a second opinion if you can.
I know that is not much of an answer, but I don't want you to suffer unnessarily either. |
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gigalos
Netherlands
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Sylvia
199 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2013 : 16:17:56
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gigalos, thanks, yet I don't think I'll take any of that seriously on that link.
Thanks Shawn, I haven't enjoyed suffering, yet I wanna be a tough guy too! I'll play along awhile longer that it is tms. Heck maybe I'll drop a few pounds too---bonus!
I just wondered if any harm can come to myself by not doing anything? But then I don't hear of any people dying on account of massive tooth infection spreading to grey matter. So I think I'll be okay.
Tom Hanks was okay in Cast Away. I can always do that if worse comes to worser.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3Zy0o5z1_c |
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gigalos
Netherlands
310 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2013 : 16:48:52
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Sylvia, as I already tried to make clear, I just posted a random site that had numbered teeth in it. I am not into meridians or whatever.
I just wanted to know what tooth it is, cause some time ago I helped a colleague of mine get rid of an aching tooth by letting him massage his masseter... a triggerpoint in one the muscles in your jaw could make your tooth sensitive, but I need to know which tooth is sensitive to be able to pinpoint this muscle. I believe its just a TMS mechanism that could set fire to that triggerpoint. Its simple, straightforward and no hocuspocus. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2013 : 17:04:23
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I think what Tom Hanks done is Castaway is an excellent idea. Go for it Sylvia.  |
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Sylvia
199 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2013 : 18:02:00
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gigalos, it is #2. 2nd to last molar upper right side.
I'm all for trying a little massage.
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2013 : 19:30:08
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| Don't massage anything! If he told you there was nothing wrong with the tooth and it was sinuses then its TMS plain and simple. Ignore it and give it no attention except to tend to your emotions. Good luck! |
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susan828
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2013 : 20:03:44
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Hi Sylvia, if you go to my name and see my past posts, you'll see I'm the tooth queen here. Been having tooth pain for over 20 years. What I would do is always get a copy (or at least look at) the x-rays, get to know the numbers of your teeth. I assume you have your wisdom tooth if you say the 2nd one in (wisdom is #1).
Tooth 1 and 2 and sometimes further in have close proximity to the sinus. The x-ray would show you how close, you can see the sinus as a half moon shaped line and you can see how closely it touches the tooth roots. I have run to the endodontist numerous times for the same tooth on the left side. There is never anything on the x-ray. However, it is a crowned tooth and they can't see what's doing under there but there is no abscess.
I have had tooth #2 extracted. I thought it was sinus and saw 3 different dentists. They tried adjusting the bite and it still hurt. My dentist said it's a sick tooth, old, crowned, somewhat loose and I opted to remove it. When it was extracted, it was infected and they could not see it on the x-ray.
I absolutely have TMS related tooth pain. Too long a story to go into but so much was in my mind after my first tooth crisis. I imagined everything was hurting and the obsession never went away but it isn't constant, just crops up when I am anxious and cling to symptoms.
You are wise to get it checked though. For me, money doesn't matter when I have a toothache and I am not rich. That's the one thing I won't skimp on. I also tried Sudafed (the one you have to get behind the counter, not the useless one) on the advice of my dentist so that I could differentiate if the pain was coming from my sinuses. It took away the pain so I knew. I have also tried a neti pot when the sinuses act up.
See how it goes. I hope you have an emergency dentist in case it acts up on a weekend. By now, you probably know all the tests, tapping, putting your finger in the periapical area to see if it hurts, ice, heat. Sinus pain WILL hurt with tapping and sometimes chewing but not with the other tests. If you ever need it extracted though, no big deal, nobody sees that tooth. I don't miss mine at all. Let me know what happens. |
Edited by - susan828 on 02/22/2013 20:04:37 |
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balto
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Posted - 02/22/2013 : 20:10:52
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Ace1 can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think most sinus are also MB symptoms. I have sinus for years, but when my tms/anxiety is gone, the sinus also gone.
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No, I don't know everything. I'm just here to share my experience. |
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2013 : 20:22:00
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| Yes balto sinus troubles are tms |
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jennypeanut
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Posted - 02/22/2013 : 23:04:04
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I wish I had known about TMS 2 years ago. I would not have pestered my dentist over and over again about my tooth pain. He couldn't note anything, but sent me on to an oral surgeon. That guy tried a surgery that was not successful. He told me it had a 60% chance of succeeding. Of course I believed I would fall into the 40% because of my negative thinking. Anyway, the tooth ended up being extracted. I never really got a clear definitive reason for what was causing the pain, but now the tooth is gone and I'm $5K poorer with a dental implant. GUESS WHAT?? Even after having the tooth removed I occasionally get the pain!! But since finding out about TMS, I literally laugh it off. I regret having it removed. I feel fairly certain it was TMS. Teeth decay, yes. But this TMS tooth pain is real.
I would stay away from tapping on your tooth, seeing how it feels, looking at it in mirrors. That feeds the obsession. I was obsessed with my tooth. It all started with a bad cavity and I worried myself into the pain. Sure, the dentist will tell you that a crack could be there but not show up yet on an x-ray. That's what I was told and then believed. So why would I still have tooth pain after it was taken out? And it's not my sinuses.
I have a family member who is a dentist tell me once that dentists are like car mechanics. They will take you for a ride that will cost you lots of cash for things that very well may not need replacing. He told me once to NOT get a root canal when another dentist suggested I did. I was a college student with no $$ so I took his advice against the advice of my dentist at school. My family member said to just get through a couple of "painful days" with some Advil. Guess what? I took his advice and didn't get the root canal. It's 17 years later and that tooth has still yet to see a root canal :) I believed my family member who was a dentist. The pain left because of my belief.
Every now and then I get that weird pain in the tooth that isn't there anymore. I chuckle because it's so ridiculous and then it vanishes. It's like my body has forgotten that is no longer a valid source to focus pain on. And when I remember and remind myself, it leaves.
Good luck. |
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gigalos
Netherlands
310 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2013 : 04:22:38
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Originally posted by Ace1
Don't massage anything! If he told you there was nothing wrong with the tooth and it was sinuses then its TMS plain and simple. Ignore it and give it no attention except to tend to your emotions. Good luck!
You are right, but... it is the same discussion as with pain medication; can you take pain med's when a certain pain is just too unbearable?? I find tooth ache one of the worst pains and if it does not compromise my/your believe in TMS, why not rub it out? I personally stopped treating my triggerpoints (other thread: http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8192) and found that applying the TMS theory worked better, as two other on this forum also found out; tp's come back or develop elsewhere. Triggerpoints are just a very direct mechanism of the mind to create discomfort/pain.
Sylvia, I think it's entirely up to you to read and/or apply the following link. It also states sinuslike problems being caused by the TP in your masseter! Just expect that the relieve won't last, as it is TMS, but it should give some relieve in times of need.
http://www.massagetoday.com/mpacms/mt/article.php?id=14253 |
Edited by - gigalos on 02/23/2013 04:47:02 |
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Sylvia
199 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2013 : 05:03:07
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susan the tooth queen : ), thank you so much for chiming in. You sure know teeth and tms. Thank you so much for all the information. I had my wisdom teeth at 19. Now that was an ordeal. Stay tuned for the rest of this post.
jennypeanut, phantom tooth pain?, man tms is a female dog! I don't want to obsess about the pain, but big but, real or not? That's why I tried to treat sinus wise, then tried to see if I can see anything and then tried out different foods, and yup it sure sounds like obsession lol.
gigalos and Ace I'm all for massaging the area if that gets rid of it, albeit temporarily or the stoopid new pain elsewhere. Dentists ARE expensive and like car mechanics, you can get ripped off for sure. Thats why the LADY dentist I felt was good that she did nothing, AND the sinus treatment worked. It didn't work this time. I will massage that big ole muscle later in the way it says gigalo.
So I wake up this morning and my gum is bubbled out covering half the tooth. I finally tell my husband about the tooth pain I've been having for weeks and show him this new enterainment in my mouth. He says push on it get the pus out. And I see Tom Hanks passing out on the cave floor.
I 'spose I'll call a dentist this monday unless that goes away on its own, then I'll buy more time.
This is why I want to "man up" you guys have dealt and deal with extraodinary pain, I don't really, I have extraordinary fatigue. So I dunno, have I said woe is me?
Did I say woe is me? |
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gigalos
Netherlands
310 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2013 : 06:52:45
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eh... swelling?? this is starting to sound like a real infection to me afterall... go see a dentist! Unless the infection can surface and empty its foul contents, some kind of intervention is strongly adviced. Could be as simple as a little cut in your gum to open it up. Try to look forward to the immense relieve once the pressure is off the infection.  Oh, it is my personal believe that antibiotics are useless in these cases. The only benefit I see is that it can prevent further infections from developing.
I just want to add to the tp treatment; Massaging your masseter can in some cases be very painful in the beginning and the muscle can stay painful, but if you stick to doing it, after a couple of days this should subside. The guy I 'helped' was told he had little cracks in his tooth, it took him 4-5 days to feel the relieve and he hasn't had any complaints till this day. As I suspect a real infection now, leave this treatment for some other point in time or just forget about it... |
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susan828
USA
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Posted - 02/23/2013 : 09:09:13
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Sylvia, gigalos is right. Everything can't be attributed to TMS. It's not a matter of just draining out the infection, it's getting rid of the cause. An abscess is nothing to fool around with. My endodontist will call in an antibiotic if it's the weekend. They don't like to do root canals on an infected tooth so that it doesn't spread while he's doing it, they usually have you take the antibiotic for 48 hours beforehand.
When you put your finger high up, to where the gum meets the inside of the cheek, does it hurt? Up to you but I personally wouldn't bother with a root canal if it's tooth #2, or even #3 (I have #14 on the left side missing, same as #3 and it doesn't bother me at all). I'd just pull the darn thing.
I don't know your drug sensitivities so hesitant to recommend anything but my endo recommends 2 advils and one extra strength tylenol for tooth pain until someone can be seen and also for post-root canal pain....says it's almost as good as the narcotics. Try an ice pack, no heat...that can spread an infection. Maybe you can call your dentist today? I know how horrible tooth pain can be so I empathize with you and want you to have relief. Yes, this is a TMS board but sometimes it's real stuff so I don't want you to assume it's TMS, not with swelling. Good luck, let us know xo
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Sylvia
199 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2013 : 15:18:34
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Thank you. Today, monday the infection bubbles smaller but still there, but tooth hurts less to bite down on but entire face hurts. Definatly a sinus infection. My Teeumass likes to play with my immune system. Ears and sinuses are a chronic come back around.
I don't know how sinuses can spread down through a tooth, but whatever, the immune system can do what it wants. If it wants to hit a tooth, oh heck, I guess it could play with the oxygen nerve too.
Arggh, well, it'll go. |
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Sylvia
199 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2013 : 10:57:35
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I have my answer, went to dentist. My molar and neighbor tooth looks to need root canal. I got antibiotics and a referrral appt for monday for those root canal folks. I'm going there just for a second opinion, I have no intention of expensive root canal. I'm gonna go back to the dentist, pull them and get whatever, I guess choices are implants, partial, bridge. I don't know what the difference is. Whatever I think gets me to age 100 : ).
We are gonna outlive our teeth!
Those "bubbles" were tooth infections.
So SOMETIMES it aint Teeumass. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2013 : 11:12:31
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| Yup, when you said swelling I knew right away it was not TMS and that it was most likely an infection. As I stated in my previous post, "If the pain is as intense as you say it is, I personally would not wait." |
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pspa123
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Posted - 02/28/2013 : 11:31:22
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| It turns out my knee about which i wrote a while back likely is not psychogenic either. I finally went to a doctor and mri shows that i have quite severe swelling throughout the joint and inflammation of the joint lining among other things. This is in the absence of any specific injury so must be of the supposedly nonexistent chronic type. For me anyhow a cautionary tale. |
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susan828
USA
291 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2013 : 12:59:54
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Hi Sylvia, I am glad you got that resolved. You mentioned "I had my wisdom teeth at 19"...I am not sure if you meant you had them extracted. If so, the second to last tooth that is bothering you would be #3. If you still have your wisdom upper tooth, it would be #2.
My unsolicited advice..if it's #3, meaning you still have a back tooth behind it, think about if you really want a fixed bridge. They have to then destroy tooth #2 and #4 in order to put the fake tooth in between. They can sometimes only attach it to one tooth but not with back teeth where there is much chewing force.
An implant is an option but nobody really sees that tooth. I do know people who just don't want to be missing a tooth and they choose an implant. I didn't. I have a space right where you mention and it doesn't bother me at all. If it can in fact be saved by a root canal and you think it's worth it, that's up to you. Again, some people feel they have their whole life ahead of them and want perfection in their mouth. A partial for one tooth is uncomfortable so if it's just one tooth, not a good option. You mention 2 teeth possibly, so the options may change at that point.
Good luck, message me if you want...I have been through the mill with this. Oh, one thing...if they offer you a "flipper", don't take it. The worst, most uncomfortable thing that rests on the roof of your mouth. I wasted $500 on it, couldn't talk with it, nor eat. It was temporary until I got a fixed bridge, I took it out and went toothless for a while (and this was my upper eye tooth, I looked like a jack-o-lantern but didn't care..stuff happens).
And that's the whole tooth, and nothing but the tooth :-) |
Edited by - susan828 on 02/28/2013 13:01:31 |
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