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stevep
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 Posted - 12/02/2012 : 06:36:02
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Hey all
Been a little while since posting, and I hope all are doing better or staying well! My back and leg pain have all but disappeared and I don't even like to acknowledge that it ever existed. Therefore I stay away from the forum. That said, I all of the sudden got an intense pain in my big toe last night. It kept me up all night, and is actually making it tough to walk believe it or not. From reading around, it sounds just like gout (such an ugly name). I recall my father suffering from this when I was younger. As well as the back pain I should say.
Anyway to keep it short, this really sucks. Is it TMS coming back to remind me it still exists? Or is gout really a physical issue that I should deal with as such (uric acid, etc...)? Thank you for all of your guys' help in the past and I appreciate any words. |
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pspa123
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Posted - 12/02/2012 : 08:56:43
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| I have had gout attacks they are very real. And pretty easy to treat, fortunately. Alleve works for me but some require indocin. |
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Peregrinus
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Posted - 12/02/2012 : 09:22:57
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SteveP:
Get your blood tested for Uric acid. Gout has serious symptoms beside the pain. Usual treatment is Allopurinol which is an otherwise innocuous drug. Some pain relievers work but they don't lower Uric acid levels.
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 12/02/2012 : 10:17:14
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Check out SteveO's book on it, there are three citations for gout and pseudo-gout in it. He has a paragraph in the book's glossary about it also. You can also do a word search using Amazon's "look inside this book" feature. This feature is more comprehensive then using a book's index usually.
I do highly recommend TMS'ers purchase SteveO's book as it is a great text and distillation of TMS thought as well as a good read. His TMS facts were gathered from original sources like Doctors Sarno and Sopher. Buying a copy will help quicken SteveO's purchase of a Citation jet to help get him to media interviews spreading the word of the Good Doctor.
As always, the boilerplate here is to get checked-out, worked-up, examed by a physician for something structural. Having an alternative TMS view will aid you in deciding which is the correct course of action for you.
G'luck
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stevep
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 11:27:59
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| I am not so sure how good advice it is to view gout as a manifestation of TMS. Things like this should be checked out by a real doctor. |
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stevep
106 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 11:32:23
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Originally posted by shawnsmith
I am not so sure how good advice it is to view gout as a manifestation of TMS. Things like this should be checked out by a real doctor.
A podiatrist? I despise going to doctors, and would prefer just to go to the specialist. My insurance usually allows it. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 12:48:08
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| I don't believe a podiatrist is an MD/physician, I would see a physician if it's something serious. My subjective opinion on podiatrists after having been to several and known some over the years, is that they are not on a level with physicians. To me they are more akin to chiropractors. Ideally if you can find a TMS doctor that would be your best course to get an objective dx. I think physician/MD's are still the best equipped to dx serious illness, it's just that they are stuck/trapped in the medical/industrial complex of modern day allopathic medicine. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 14:15:07
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| I agree with Tom on this one. |
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stevep
106 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 15:23:37
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| As the day goes on its not even half as bad as last night. Maybe the Advil is the only reason, but I'm coming towards the end of the recommended 6 hrs and it's still not even close to that level. I don't think I care to see a doc about it at this point. I don't wanna take meds for it. I am more concerned with preventing it again. But I dunno, maybe i am predisposed to it... |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 16:10:04
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my attacks typically subside within a day
if you do need to see a doctor see a regular gp not a podiatrist in my opinion
i would get your uric acid level checked avoiding certain foods and taking vitamin c can bring it down and prevent reoccurences |
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stevep
106 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 16:26:30
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| Vitamin C eh? And I know meat should be avoided, but I can in no way do that. I'm a big carnivore. |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 16:44:07
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| look up low purine diet, it isn't meat per se |
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Jilly
USA
40 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 17:04:47
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Hi There...I listened to Steve O's podcast a week ago on Wiki PPD/TMS forum and he said in the 70's the Vogue distressor was gastric, intestinal and stomach issues. Then it went to back pain, rotator cuff, carpel tunnel and knee's. Now he see the pain shift occurring in the feet ! Coincidence ? I don't know, but get it checked out with a simple blood test for uric acid levels. Feel better  and that's a shout out directly to your subconscious. |
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stevep
106 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 17:11:20
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Originally posted by pspa123
look up low purine diet, it isn't meat per se
Thanks! Just looked. I can safely say that I avoid all of the foods on the "high purine" list already. But regularly eat foods on the "medium" list. Particularly as I knew already, chicken, beef, and pork. One other on the medium list which surprised me is lentils. I've been making a big batch of lentil soup and eating it throughout the week lately. It's cheap, healthy (so I thought!), and has a lot of protein. I would hate to give it up  . |
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stevep
106 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 17:14:03
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Originally posted by Jilly
Hi There...I listened to Steve O's podcast a week ago on Wiki PPD/TMS forum and he said in the 70's the Vogue distressor was gastric, intestinal and stomach issues. Then it went to back pain, rotator cuff, carpel tunnel and knee's. Now he see the pain shift occurring in the feet ! Coincidence ? I don't know, but get it checked out with a simple blood test for uric acid levels. Feel better and that's a shout out directly to your subconscious.
Interesting. I know I should get that blood test. I just have an irrational fear of the doctor's office and avoid it at all costs. It's a problem I have. I'm gonna have to go at some point soon though, so I'll ask for it. Thanks. |
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pspa123
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Posted - 12/02/2012 : 17:36:09
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steve i have read elsewhere that vegetable based purines such as lentils don't contribute to gout the body breaks them down more easily
who knows
do a little online research there is a lot of information on it |
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stevep
106 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 17:42:20
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| Will do, thanks for the tips... |
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jegol71
USA
78 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 21:34:02
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There's plenty of emerging research linking gout to iron excess, which metabolically is commensurate with the western diet. Donating blood lowers the body's iron storage by forcing it to be pulled from the tissues, as reflected in one's serum ferritin, the iron storage protein (which can also indicate, sometimes rather circularly, the presence of inflammation in the body). More information can be found by googling iron + gout. The Andrew Ghio study, done I believe at Duke, focused on xanthine oxidase, the enzyme preceding the formation of uric acid and/or monosodium urate crystals. They concluded that uric acid acts as an antioxidant in the presence of iron (preventing, literally, the rusting inside the body). That study and the Facchini study, which showed positive results in gout sufferers who lowered their iron significantly, seem to represent the cutting edge of gout research. Allopurinol is a xanthine oxidase inhibitor, and many people (such as Roger Ebert's friend whom he blogged about) have had terrible side effects, though many have not, and mileage may vary. Interestingly, people who take allopurinol are sometimes susceptible to loading iron.
Stress, TMS, life and biology are all umbrella headings that gout can be under. Some studies implicate fructose rather than iron. Some people, such as Balto, have changed their mindsets and claim to have never had another attack again. Fortunately, whatever your approach, we are advanced enough to where if you suffer gout, you CAN treat it. Whether you pursue feeling better through a TMS approach, through getting your iron panel checked, through cutting out sugar (which has much better evidence basis than cutting out purines) and/or improving your body composition, through treating sleep apnea, through a drum circle or through allopurinol, I invite you to relax, and let the fear of the next attack melt away by staying present, when neither the past or the future can hurt you.
I wish you the best of health and happiness. |
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stevep
106 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2012 : 22:09:12
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| Great post, thanks man. I'll have to read it twice!! |
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jegol71
USA
78 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2012 : 09:43:15
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| You're welcome dude. In addition to lowering iron, or perhaps lowering iron is in addition to what I'm about to say, donating blood is one of the best things we can do for others, it installs us in the community through giving the gift of life, heals anger through charity, and just lets us plain feel great in a boon to our conflicted emotional systems. THAT'S TMS healing right there, regardless of iron status. |
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