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yogaluz
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 Posted - 09/01/2012 : 12:28:07
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Hey Wavy and all,
That last thread got a bit odd towards the end so I thought I would start a new one. I'm in a lot of pain due to what I'm guessing is frozen shoulder. Can't lift my arm up or rotate it inward - excruciating. I went to a regular MD to rule out serious injury and was told my rotator cuff is fine. The doc said I had muscle spasms in my back that are pulling on the shoulder and causing inflammation. hmmmmm...
I'm guessing this is TMS but I've never had this degree of pain before. Both of my shoulders have been bothering me for months and then this week I tweaked my left one, once getting off a bike and then after a round of push ups. By the night of the last tweak, I basically couldn't move my arm. While I don't think push ups can cause injury, I'm thinking that perhaps my muscles and tendons were tense and oxygen deprived and doing the pushups caused some tears.
've been trying to understand what's going on with me emotionally. I just had another round of horrible emails with my mother after she visited for a few days and basically told me that my home and family are joyless (nice mom, thanks). I also continue to resent the fact that there's been a role reversal in my home for the last two years now. My husband works from home and picks my kids up from school, helps with dinner etc. while I go off to an office. I fully understand how childish it is to wish I were at home and being taken care of financially but it's how I feel and the resentment just builds.
I had 10 days off of work recently and had very little shoulder pain. My husband was out of town for some of that time and I got to just be at home with my kids, paint, garden, putter but then went back to work and wham!
So, this is TMS right???!! The fear of frozen shoulder, which by all accounts can take years to heal or reverse, is creeping in.... I would love to hear how Wavy's pain resolved (if it did). I've read other posts indicating frozen shoulder is TMS and it went away but it seems to vary as to how long it took to move on. I could really use some encouragement..
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eric watson
USA
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Posted - 09/01/2012 : 20:35:38
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ennio
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Posted - 09/01/2012 : 22:10:27
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I was told I had frozen shoulder many years ago by an orthopedist. He recommended that he "open me up and get a look in there". I balked at that; this was even before I new about TMS.
Over time the pain went away and I did no physical therapy whatsover. I kind of forgot about it after a while, then one day realized, "Whoa, I used to have shoulder pain. When did it go away?"
I am convinced that focusing on the physical pain serves to make the pain constant and, sometimes, worse.
It sounds to me like your shoulder pain is TMS especially with the family situation. Sarno says family issues are "emotionally loaded." I know if I experience family conflict, my back pain starts getting worse. |
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yogaluz
USA
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 09:21:18
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thanks for your replies. As for resting it, everyone I've spoken with said not to just let it rest because that's when you get frozen shoulder. You should keep engaging it in as much motion as it can handle when all I want to do is tape it to my body and not have it move. It's a searing sort of pain.
And yes, I get the family triggers. I've been at this TMS game long enough to know how to dig for hidden resentment, anger, fear and I think I came up with something that's been bothering more than I realized. I'm going to journal and process it today and see if it helps.
I'd still love to hear from folks who had frozen shoulder - what were the triggers? How long did it take to resolve? Any other thoughts on the medical explanation of what it is? I've read that the initial trigger is an inflammatory process in the shoulder capsule. What would start up an inflammatory process? I just don't buy it but I'd be curious to hear other opinions. Thanks!
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 10:47:52
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I've had "frozen shoulder" several times and have twinges of it to remind me it is TMS. You are way over-thinking this, weaving and blending structural explanations with TMS that will assure you that it continues as a "logical" distraction. You don't have to do any more psycho-archeological digging into the past. The life situations that are creating the TMS are quite evident in your post. You are connecting the dot's pretty well but NEED your TMS symptom as a distraction right now--thank it for doing it's job or you would have much worse emotional pains to deal with. In a prior post you asked about TMS docs and therapists in your region and we found several, did you do any follow-up to contact them? Your TMS "frozen shoulder" will go away as soon as your subconscious is not in such a TMS rage and no longer needs it for a distraction--it's up to your id, ego and superego to resolve this.
G'luck
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Bugbear
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 12:22:28
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quote:
Originally posted by yogaluz
I'd still love to hear from folks who had frozen shoulder - what were the triggers? How long did it take to resolve? Any other thoughts on the medical explanation of what it is? I've read that the initial trigger is an inflammatory process in the shoulder capsule. What would start up an inflammatory process?
I don't believe what triggers frozen shoulder is going to be any different from what triggers other TMS symptoms. It sounds as if you are quite determined to find a structural explanation for this condition. The more you fixate on the physical aspects and potential causes, the longer it will take to heal because a. you are giving it all your focus and b. the more you focus on it, the more anxious will you become. You think about how long it's been since it started, notice the pain might be getting worse, fear that it will never end. Find something fun or interesting to take your mind off of it. |
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jegol71
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 13:30:14
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Please take what you need from my experience and leave the rest:
I have always been heavily involved in collision sports and strength training. In late 2002, my senior year of high school, I had surgery to repair a torn rotator cuff and a 3/4 tear of my L shoulder labrum. Rehab was going just fine, when a few months after, my father and mother finalized their horrid divorce, my father lost his job, and then was retroactively sued for all he had. My shoulder began to stiffen up. I fought through it, but lost a ton of motion. Pain and stiffness were palpable and constant. I was 50/50 throwing a football.
I got an arthrogram to take a look at my shoulder in 2004. Arthritis all through it. Made sense, it was how it felt. Despite it, I pushed through, and became very successful lifting weights, particularly on the bench press. I do not know if my ROM, atrophy and strength have gotten worse with certain movements, but I can feel myself guarding it with my mind. For example, when I get up from bed, I always push off the middle of the bed using my right arm, and am know trying to incorporate the left more.
I was told bone spurs, etc, were causing it. But this is the kicker, the mystery that to me really isn't a mystery: I have had three different mind/body modalities done to my shoulder, and each resulted in regaining full motion for a period of time. I had very painful myofascial release, standard therapeutic massage, and then a Feldenkreis session. Each session resulted in what I thought was impossible. How could this be, based on what I know about the mind and body, be anything but related to how my brain was holding my shoulder in place? Then, to make it more interesting, the feldenkrais didn't have the same effect the second time, despite similar movements, which had nothing to do with physical manipulation, but gentle guidance.
I just bench pressed 565 pounds raw yesterday. I find it funny that my shoulder has stiffened up everywhere except in the exercise I REFUSED TO STOP DOING. Movement heals, regardless of the emotion, though often the emotions are intimately connected to kinetic patterns in ways that confound.
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yogaluz
USA
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 14:42:15
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Yes, I do like to put my science cap on and it just leads me down into the well.
In addition to distraction, my TMS also serves as an excuse. If my shoulder hurts too badly then I can't go to work for a few days and my kids and husband will have to help out more around the house. I totally get it. Ok pain, you can go away now.
TT, yes I did end up seeing Dave Clark but he is no longer practicing medicine (just met up with me for coffee because he's an exceptionally nice guy!). He's written a book and is focused on bringing mind/body concepts to the forefront and to teach physicians how to recognize and treat. He was great to talk with and definitely affirmed that I have TMS (or perhaps he referred to it as something else). I actually think I may have shocked him with the story of my childhood and that's saying something since he's quite a few such stories. I really appreciated his compassion and his insistence that I find something I'm passionate about and give myself the gift of doing it every day or week. He made me feel it was ok to spend some money on a painting class which I've signed up for.
The other person listed on the wiki is a therapist, not a physician. Still, it might be high time I went to see her.
thanks again guys
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 22:51:46
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Originally posted by yogaluz
...The other person listed on the wiki is a therapist, not a physician. Still, it might be high time I went to see her.
Thanks for the update Yogaluz, since it sounds like TMS and not structural, the next step would be to see the TMS therapist if you want to resolve this and break through. It should take no more than a dozen sessions with a TMS therapist to gain resolution.
Your FEAR of "frozen shoulder" taking years to resolve is unfounded and I don't know where that notion would come from. My recent frozen shoulder, I attributed to being triggered by swimming the back-stroke too vigorously. It seemed logical at the time and I gave it a rest for a couple of weeks and started back up gingerly. I'm now back to doing the back-stroke with no issue. I now attribute it to TMS. Like Walt Stack said, "Start slowly and taper off".
G'luck |
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