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SteveO
USA
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 Posted - 08/11/2012 : 23:46:46
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In healing from pain it's important to understand the role that rage plays in TMS. I hear people say they don't have rage, but it's there whether they think they have it or not. Their egos have hidden it from them with the purpose of maintaining their superegos. We all possess anger, it's intrinsic to the existential being. It is a part of the shadow aspect that is undeveloped and feared by the individual because he/she has no control over it. Of all the aspects of TMS none is a more contributive factor to pain than the pool of anger residual from childhood factors.
Our egos screen everything. If an event or circumstance is too painful the ego lets it pass into the body where it remains active as a memory that gets converted to energy (disrupting the smooth functioning of the autonomic nervous system). That energy is negative in contrast to our desire for pleasure energy. We call this energy anger but that's just a label. It's simply unwanted. But we do need some anger to perform many things so it has value.
I was stuck in my healing at about 80% before I finally understood the anger issue, and healed from all of my symptoms. We use the word "anger" more often because it's more palatable and less offensive than rage. So I just wanted to help people understand this if they are struggling, and don't have $19.75.
When I hear people say they don't have any anger I know that I once felt the same way because I never felt angry--even through some traumatic times. But they don't understand that this anger is never felt and is by definition unconscious--meaning outside of awareness. Dr. Sarno didn't spend his lifetime observing this phenomenon for nothing, he was right. This is why he stated regarding TMS, "...to the point of rage." Anger is normal, but as it approaches rage it begins to approach unhealthy levels.
The deeper self is furious at the current separations and many other stresses in life. But a highly controlling superego will never allow the person to see this side of him/herself. It is hidden to protect the precious self constructed persona.
The people who are the quietest and softest in outward appearance can harbor the greatest amounts of this type of energy. Many people ask me how they can tell if they are deeply enraged, and that's an easy answer. If they don't have any symptoms their anger levels are low and healthy. If they suffer from chronic pain or heart attacks they have hidden anger of great magnitude. If they suffer from more serious diseases the likelihood may be higher. I believe this all stems from early separation rage combined with a lack of self expression.
Anger that is felt is not part of the TMS process. It is the anger that is not felt that causes the pain. This anger is repressed into the body due to societal and familial norms. Those not allowed to show anger as children are often in chronic pain. Those abused are the angriest, along with adopted people.
If we are happy and we have little or no pain then our anger levels are healthy.
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Goodney
USA
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Posted - 08/12/2012 : 07:46:39
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So true. My mother was adopted, and her earliest memory is of standing in her crib, screaming and screaming for the mother who had given her up. It should be no surprise that she has spent her life in monstrous amounts of mental and physical pain.
I was physically and emotionally abused by my father. I was stoic through it all, not wanting to let him know how much I hurt. That has led to a lifetime of anxiety, rage, self-abuse, and pain. |
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 08/12/2012 : 08:40:11
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I'm sorry you've been through so much Goodney. But you can see why, if that's any small consolation--it is a connection that was never made. It was important for me to understand why people were in so much pain. The most common denominator is separation rage.
There are reptiles that will not stop crying when they're separated from their mothers. And with humans, the adopted ones always seemed to "know" that a mother was missing and reacted accordingly. Some of the lucky ones found loving parents and had pretty good lives. But for some odd reason those cut by separation rage, abuse, divorce, etc., often took out that rage on their poor kids, or society. And if those kids didn't act out their aggression they turned it inward and suffered from chronic pain or illness.
This is why Clancy McKenzie's, MD, new book is called Babies Need Mothers. That attunement, or lack of, at birth sets the tone for autonomic regulation or disregulation. Once again the news is good from the observation of so many healings. Healing can occur through TMS healing which includes teaching your brain to react differently to pain, as well as rising above it all through enlightenment.
Be of great cheer, through deeper understanding healing can occur, but is often interrupted by persistent denial of the truth.
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pspa123
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Posted - 08/12/2012 : 09:41:25
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| Well, I am very in touch with my rage, much of which results from having a severely autistic son whose life was destroyed by a vaccine, but being in touch with that rage has not led, yet, to any reduction in pain. So I am not sure what to make of that. |
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SteveO
USA
272 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2012 : 12:07:17
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The rage that you feel has nothing to do with your pain. The rage that is causing your pain is unconscious, and can never be within your touch. It is never "aware" to you except through your body because of its extreme magnitude.
Dr. Sarno had only seen it rise to consciousness once in his career. So it is possible, but extremely rare.
Sorry to hear about your son. Do they know which vaccine it was?
SO
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lara
USA
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Posted - 08/12/2012 : 12:26:51
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So true,
Now i know my rage comes from separation from mother when i was 15,
seeing friends with their moms and dads was terrible sad a.d upsetin but i hide it ,i never showed to anyone not even myself how rageous i was.
SteveO i have your book, it's a fantastic book,any possibility to translate in spanish? i have a question, i know now that i have a inner rage and i know why, but what about my short temper? why does a simple thing irritates me? why am i sometimes mean ? with everybody except my daughters? |
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SteveO
USA
272 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2012 : 12:56:00
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Also remember that these separations from caretakers and loved ones result in panic (fear). But the social reaction to overcoming the fear is anger. So our first reaction when rejected is panic. But we can't show panic in public because of our egos, so we rationalize the panic or fear at its source and the result is anger. So anger is a defense against other emotions.
We also can't show anger of such unacceptable magnitude so we give ourselves pain to cope as a defense mechanism against revealing it, or even realizing it.
So we can lower our fear (slowing the amygdala's over reaction), or lower anger levels (through exercise, conscious breathing, meditation, etc), or try to dilute the ego's response through personal growth.
I'm looking into translation rights for Spanish now. Mandarin rights would be desired too.
Your short temper outburts are caused by a larger anger within. They are small shadow eruptions revealing the inner conflict. When you get angry at someone else you're revealing anger you have for yourself and current situation. When there's nothing to cast forward nothing gets cast forward.
SO
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 08/12/2012 : 13:01:20
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Dear Steve,
You said you were stuck to 80% before you understood the anger issue. So could you please explain to us what you did once understanding this that led you to a 100% cure.
Thanks in advance |
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SteveO
USA
272 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2012 : 14:14:51
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Ace it was the sudden realization that there was anger in me. Like many others I didn't think I was angry because I didn't feel it--but I was wrong too. This was a major obstacle in healing because we can hide behind anger too.
Once I suddenly realized there was unfelt-anger I took steps to begin to understand why. There I began reading the collective works of Freud and Adler and Jung, etc. I wanted to try to understand where it was coming from. The end result is ego. Our egos account for most of our life problems, but you can't ever get rid of ego, so you need to somehow control it or at least not allow it to control you.
Ego separates us from one another and it is ego that allows for such a buildup of anger. Once you begin to see that others have the same problems, fear the same things, etc. the ego begins to pull back some. Eckart Tolle wrote that the burning up of ego was the light of consciousness, I agree totally with him.
I also set out to lower anger levels by reading Thich Nhat Hanh and John Lee. ...everything I could find.
So with awareness, and meditation and relaxation, and through understanding ego's role I healed. This takes discipline and drive but the end result is worth it.
Are you in the US ACE? I take it that you too healed from TMS. Did you have a pathway out of suffering? I accidentally gave you the wrong term for my eye problem, sorry, it's keratectasia not kerataconus. Conus is a mindbody effect and can be helped through the techniques you relayed. But the ectasia is the thinning and the cornea didn't have enough strength to stand on its own. Thus, the reinforcement surgery to help it. It was under 330 microns.
Be well,
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2012 : 14:40:40
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| SteveO, DPT vaccine, which at the time was a live cell pertussis virus. I shall have to read your book to understand what you are saying that one can never be in touch with the rage. This is different from what my practitioner is saying. |
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Wavy Soul
USA
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Posted - 08/12/2012 : 18:46:50
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Yeah, my saying for this is:
I.R.S.
It's the Rage, Sweetheart.
Just deleted a long essay on conscious and unconscious rage/anger because I got irritated (mini-anger).
I would add that anger is induced by our experiencing powerlessness in life situations (which infants have in spades, and which adult life is also happy to provide). And that even reservoirs of rage CAN be brought to consciousness and moved through the BODY (not the mind, and that the experience is like getting back your power.
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2012 : 20:05:30
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Hi Steve , I got out of it mostly by calming my hyped up mind down. I used mind power techniques and they worked very well for me. I still have occasional mild conditioned symptoms but I am what most would say cured. The two people on this forum however who say they don't get any symptoms anymore are balto and hillbilly. I think they may be at a better state than us. I think anyone can get better than their current state. Yes I don't know much about keraetcsia, I still wonder if it can be improved with mind techniques. Do you wear contacts or glasses Steve? I think the goal is to learn to see without these aids and everything else falls into place, including thickening of the cornea. This is just a theory though, so you would have to test it for me . Thanks for trying to help all the people on this forum. |
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lara
USA
101 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2012 : 20:08:19
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SteveO
Thank you so much for replying meif you hadn't i would have get angry lol.
It is curious i was such a sweet child and very funny outgoing teen. The more rage.i realize i have in my subconcious the more anger i feel . Started running again.and i observed that while i run i feel the rage ..fear ..and tears appear. No wonder i didnt know how angry i was before, running and working out was hidding it or expelling it somehow but when my pain started couldnt run and pain got worse and worse.
I feel like i've been exorcised after i seey tms dr. lol
Why do you think your book had more succes with me than dr Sarnos?
my pain lrvels are so low now , tms therapy is working , i just feel frustrated that i gained weight but thats nothing compared with the powerleness i felt six mobths ago.
Thank you again.
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SteveO
USA
272 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2012 : 20:36:20
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If my book had more success with you than Dr. Sarno's it's because I brought his work to life. He wrote excellent books that have helped millions, but people often tell me he left them hanging about what to do next. I never felt that way, but many have.
It's more powerful seeing healing occur than it is to listen to a doctor. The patient examples he gave were the most powerful part of his work for me.
I'm glad you're training again. People may need to get into better shape, but not always. Aging, the loss of perceived looks and added responsibilities can make the person feel trapped against their youth and anger them. Don't get trapped.
Who is your TMS doctor?
Be happy, you have control now,
SO
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lara
USA
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Posted - 08/12/2012 : 20:56:28
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SteveO
My tms Dr is Leonard- Segal.
She called me the other day and told me to watch the olympics and see the south african.guy running with double feet amputee , that broke my heart for a moment and then i realized how strong we humans are.
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 08/13/2012 : 09:54:08
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You must be in the DC area, Dr. Segal is a good person to work with. She was one of the first MDs on Dr. Sarno's team/concept back in 1990. She emailed me 2 days ago to answer a question I had.
It was surreal to see Oscar Pistorious for the first time--like watching Avatar. At first I thought it wasn't fair that he didn't have the fatigue factor in his calves and feet, but then I saw it was a sprint, so all was fair. It was like watching the future.
Good luck
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lara
USA
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Posted - 08/13/2012 : 10:12:10
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Yes , i live in MD. 40mins from DC .
I had the opportunity to see her because someone helped me fibancially , that person is my angel .
Lara
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drh7900
USA
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Posted - 08/13/2012 : 11:46:32
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Originally posted by pspa123
Well, I am very in touch with my rage, much of which results from having a severely autistic son whose life was destroyed by a vaccine, but being in touch with that rage has not led, yet, to any reduction in pain. So I am not sure what to make of that.
Not related to TMS, but for your autistic child, have you ever looked into the GAPS (Gut And Psychology Syndrome) diet? There are success stories in people overcoming autism symptoms through a GAPS diet...just a thought.
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SteveO
USA
272 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2012 : 15:21:13
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Dustin I sent you an email. I wondered where good ole Dustin was ha ha.
I don't know anything about autism but I see very different levels of it here. No doubt the more severe cases would put great stress and anger on the poor parents.
Steve
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drh7900
USA
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Posted - 08/14/2012 : 09:18:15
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Originally posted by SteveO
Dustin I sent you an email. I wondered where good ole Dustin was ha ha.
I don't know anything about autism but I see very different levels of it here. No doubt the more severe cases would put great stress and anger on the poor parents.
Steve
I've never had to deal with autism personally, but my wife has friends whose kids are on the autism spectrum and their diet definitely affects the degree of autism they present. There's a lot of study that has been done regarding gut perforation, gut flora, and the affect it can have on they psychology of the person. Interesting stuff to say the least. It's one of the reasons that I feel that TMS and diet go hand-in-hand. If one's mindbody is not properly nourished, how can one expect it to operate optimally? Like a gasoline engine won't run on diesel fuel or vise versa, the mindbody runs best and the two-way communication between mind and body work best when the proper fuel is present. At least those are my thoughts.
I'll use allergies as an example. Common allergies have been identified by Dr. Sarno as TMS equivalents. However, there are people who claim to have gotten recovery from allergies by virtue of using the GAPS diet. On the surface, this may seem contradictory to the good doctor's work...but I think it's evidence of it. If you "fix" the mind-gut connection and the mind is more psychologically able to deal with whatever emotions could be causing the brain to tweak the autonomic nervous system to over respond through the immune system, then it's a cascade effect...YES, you must deal with the emotions, but it stands to reason that one is more able to do so when the mindbody is properly fueled.
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