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Birdie78
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 Posted - 08/08/2012 : 14:23:22
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Hello everybody,
I'm new at this forum and want to introduce myself! First of all: I'm sorry for my very poor English, I hope you will understand me (I'm from Germany and TMS is unknown here).
A few days ago I found some interesting text in the Internet from Dr. Sarno and by reading it I thought “oh my God, this could be me”! Of course there are many doubts whether it's really TMS, but it sounds logical to me!
Since adolescence I'm afflicted with lots of symptoms, most of them being chronic.
Recently I ordered Sarnos book “Healing back pain…” (of course in German, otherwise it would take me ages to read) and was a bit irritated about some things he wrote concerning the muscles being ONLY afflicted by TMS. He subscribed the back (lower back), the neck, the shoulders and the gluteal region to be afflicted by TMS because of having a higher percentage of “tonus fibres”.
Therefore my question: could it also be TMS if there are mainly ore only other muscles afflicted such as arms, legs, hips? Ok, I have also aches in me left buttocks as described by Sarno, but no lower back pain or pain in other parts of the back.
The other thing I’m doubtful about: Sarno writes about Trigger Points. And he also talks about trigger points concerning fibromyalgia. I often noticed a synonyme use from “trigger points” and “tender points” in the literature, but there are important differences. Trigger points are clearly palpable, there is a typical “referred” pain and a “jump sign” pushing then; they mostly get better or disappear (at least short-term) massaging them (they’ve been described mainly by Travell/Simons). Tender points are also very aching, but getting not better after treating them physically nor are they palpable…
So I ask me if Sarno is talking about the trigger points as described by Travell/Simons or in fact tender points which are typically in fibromyalgia (but calling them trigger points). In the case of fibromyalgia there are often both conditions: tender points and co-existing trigger points (a very helpful article to differ tender from triggerpoints, unfortunately from a very physiological point of view: http://homepages.sover.net/~devstar/TrPs_and_TPs.pdf)
And this leads me to a further question: are TMS and “myofascial pain syndrome” (defined as triggerpoints in several different parts of the body) the same phenomenon, only the reasons took as a basis were different? Travell/Simons proposed mainly physical reasons as “muscular imbalances” or injuries while Sarno proposes unconscious feelings and, as a reason, aches produced by “mild oxygen depreivation”? What do you think about this? I’d be very, very interested in your opinion (preconditioned somebody understood my funny English J ).
Ok, now some short information about me: I’m a 34 years old female from Germany, diagnosed with “somatoform pain disorder” and “myofascial pain syndrome”, what a surprise .
My “pain-career” started when I moved out home with 18 years. After a year I began suffering from terrible heel-pain, neither related to plantarfascitis or heelspur (I meanwhile know this sort of pain, it feels quite different) nor to m. Bechterew or other causes. It appears while standing or walking, getting better while lying down or sitting or reducing pressure by wearing cushioned insoles. I have Metatarsalgia too since childhood and sustained several fatigue-fractures (splayfeet + osteopenia due to defiency of Vit d3). Walking barfoot is causing hematoma along the hole sole of foot. My subcutaneous tissue feels too thin and too soft, feels like walking on my bones without any cushioning when I walk. A very, very painful condition! MRT showed mild inflammation, fibrosis and herniation of the subcutaneous soft tissue, but nobody had a good explanation therefore. I think my psyche activated some stress-induced processes which afflicted my soft tissue. I don’t think it’s a hazard that the foot-pain occurred when I moved from home. I relate my feet for “independence” and “self-dependence” and that’s exactly where my main-problem is!
Do you consider this theory as possible? Or perhaps: what else could cause this "mysterious" condition in my feet?
So for about 16 years I can’t stand longer than 10 minutes and can’t walk more than about 1/ 4. mile. My legmuscles are shortened and atrophied, I think my grandma is much more fitter than me...
But then, with writing my doctor-thesis, everything got worse (I couldn't believe this was possible). Since that I wished I had “only” my footpain.
It started with a “normal” tendovaginitis in both hands. I had not written for a long time and then suddenly wrote about 40 pages a day. But, even after a few weeks of pausing, the pain didn’t disappear. Both forearms and upsides of my hands felt burning and tensed. The physio told me to stretch my arms, but stretching worsened the pain. In order to continue with my doctor thesis I bought “dragon-speech”; but it doesn’t really work for that, too many foreign words. So I started to dictate the text to my husband; poor husband!
One year later, I spent 8 hours on an ale-bench and next day 8 hours on a very uncomfortable chair in the auditorium. I noticed strong pain in my right buttocks down to my leg. After several month of severe pain in both arms (couldn’t write) and in my buttocks (couldn’t sit for an hour) I decided to give up my try for the doctor-thesis. But the pain remained!
I admit to the fact that dealing with this thesis stressed myself out nearly to the maxiumum (I'm an anxious and very perfectionistic, pessimistic person, perfect condition to TMS, isn't it ?)
The doctor found lots of trigger points, most of them in the piriformis and the gluteus-muscels. Self-massage worsened the triggerpoints, but dry-needling helped a lot to ease-up the situation, meanwhile I’m able to site for some hours painfree (but for a person being not able to spend much time on my feet thats really worst case). But: sitting for a longer time is still impossible and I still suffer from pain in both arms. In the meantime I also suffer from a chronic epicondylitis, a “runners-knee”, a “jumpers-knee”, "plantar-fasciitis (over and above the mysterous heel-pain), shin-splints and so on. Unfortunately there’s not “only” pain, my elbow is swollen and the ultrasound showed joint bruise. Ignoring the pain wasn’t successful as the swelling got worse (rheumatismm was excluded).
So I’m sitting here, unable to work or to live a normal live. Nearly every spare time activity is causing pain and, that’s disturbing me very much, swelling and inflammation. If it was “only” pain I’d perhaps be able to do some normal activity; but every try resulted in the increasing of inflammation. So what should I do?
Some more information: I do psychoanalysis for 8 years now, without any improvement concerning the muscle and tendon-pain! I guess my sticking point has something to do with not being self-dependend. Problems flare-up in situations relating to "stand on ones own feet"
As long as I can remeber I suffer from feelings of abandonment (my mother died a few weeks after my birh and after 1 year I lost my fostermother, inbetween there were two long stays in the clinic). And thats only the tip of the iceberg.
The only thing that helps for a short time is massage and muscle relaxans, but it doesn’t last. One trigger disappeared, the next goes up! One to nothing for the trigger-points, I throw in the towel.
Ok, this was a very long self-introduction, thanks for reading and sorry for the mistakes, I didn’t reread…
Best wishes,
Birdie |
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 08/08/2012 : 20:16:49
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Birdie
TMS pain can be anywhere in the body as well as creating illness. I worked with a guy who had pain in his earlobe only. Tension can hide anywhere and in any form. The book you read, Healing Back Pain, is one of the best on the topic. It saved my life.
That article you cited here talks about having different types of trigger points, one for MFP and one type for fibro. That type of thinking causes more problems. There is only 2 types of physical pain, pain from injury or disease, and pain from TMS which can piggyback injury or disease, and in many cases mimic injury and cause disease.
Those trigger points you mention don't have to be present to have TMS. I'm not sure what they reveal other than Dr. Sarno found them fascinating that so many patients had them. I never had one and it's not necessary in diagnosing TMS. Since you have these trigger points they are one more factor in determining that you indeed have a mindbody disorder.
Myofascial pain (MPS)), fibro, etc., these Sarno proved were TMS because of his extremely high success rate in healing these patients. The deeper the emotional conflict the deeper the physical pain.
Stress and tension can alter tissue, in fact it can do anything except find my TV remote.
You are 100% correct. It's not as big a factor in moving away from your parents at 18 as it is your desire for independence. The extreme responsibility has now shifted not only to survival
(fight/flight) but to wanting prove unassailability.
What makes me believe you have TMS is that you were abandoned. It is a primary cause of chronic pain, equal to abuse.
Stick with Dr. Sarno he will save your life. But if you doubt him..tsk tsk tsk..it's your life.
Steve
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Birdie78
Germany
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Posted - 08/09/2012 : 05:57:07
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Hi,
Steve, thanks for your detailled reply.
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Stick with Dr. Sarno he will save your life. But if you doubt him..tsk tsk tsk..it's your life
Hope you did not misunderstand me, wasn't thougt as a critic! I also think, as I understood this, that being in doubt often is a problem of TMS. Concerning TMS doubt won't be usefull. In general it often was for me (such as several docs tried to convince me my problems were physical and surgery would help. I had strong doubt and that was good, because I'm sure of psychosomatic reasons. or as a teen when I blundered into a sect. My doubts and my brain were very helpful to get out of this, although my parents wanted me to stay!).
And now, bad news:
just came from the doc, wanted to get sure there's nothing physical wrong with my ellbow hurting so much I can hardy move it. Unfortunalely the MRT showed a ruptured tendon. Doesn't really wonder to me, feels heavy injured. However, what I'm really astonished at, is the fact that I didn't injure my ellbow! There was "only" very strong tension in my arm muscels, they were hard and stiff for weeks. Then I telephoned for some hours and noticed a sharp pain in my ellbow. Told my husband "feels like something ruptured".
My only explanation is that my arm was in a very strong permanent tension (TMS) and therefore the tendon rupted. I'm very confused rather I hoped there would not be any diagnostic findings. I know that my soft tissue is not in a good condition, docs always ask my, if I was on longterm cortison-therapy.
My psychologist has her own assumption of this: she mentioned that early traumata often afflict the soft tissue of the body. The soft tissue is holding everything together, it has a supporting function. As a baby I didn't have any support, I wasn't holded, I was abandonned and probably flooded by huge amounts of cortisol for weeks and months (staying alone at he hospital).
I read that there are lots of TMS-substitutes, such as psoriasis, asthma and so on. The subconsious is affecting the physical body, you can see psoriasis. I suspect that the more serious the TMS is, the more serious are the impacts on the body. From this perspective structural findings are not in opposition to a psychic reason. Therefore I consider my ruptured tendon as a part of TMS: surely caused by strong tension, perhaps atvantaged by a "vulnerable" soft tissue (caused by early, repeated trauma, who knows...).
So I also think beeing early abandonned is the main reason for my problems (aside my drinking and choleric father).
I'm sure there are unconsious feelings like fear, anger, guilt (I was "the reason" why my mother decided suicide after my birth) and the big wish to be supplied like a baby.
Ok, what do you think, does my approach accord to Sarnos theory?
I really, really want to give my best and stick with dr. Sarno.
And, again: it's not so easy to give up old beliefs and doubts, so I hope you will be bear with me  . Think I'm on a good way 
Wishes,
Birdie |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 08/09/2012 : 08:04:09
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Hi Birdie,
One question, on your MRT imaging, can you see with YOUR eyes, the "ruputred" tendon? Before doing surgery on it, maybe get some second and third opinions from other docs who are not surgeons, (don't ask a barber if you need a haircut). Do you have a copy of the MRT? You should be able to get a copy with some--or a lot of asking for it. I'm not too technical but you may be able to digitally send it to a TMS practitioner for an opinion. G'luck.
Bye, Bye Birdie
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Birdie78
Germany
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Posted - 08/09/2012 : 08:57:58
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Good idea! A friend of mine doesn't know about my ellbow-pain. He works as a radiologist. I will show him the MRT-pictures without telling him something before!
The radiologist showed me the "ruptured tendon", but as a layperson I can't assess. But it wouldn't be the first time I injured without any special activity (last time my foot broke after I walked for a short while without my orthopaedic insoles, and there I could clearly see the break in the bone. Inspite of osteopenia that isn't normal!).
I will see what's his opinion and that's a really good idea to look for further opinions!
Wishes,
Birdie
PS the tendon, sorry at my foult, isn't completly ruptured but partly-ruptured, so he told me NOT to do surgery as it will heal without! It wasn't a surgeon but a radiologist who told me about the tendon.
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 08/09/2012 : 09:56:33
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Originally posted by Birdie78
...But it wouldn't be the first time I injured without any special activity (last time my foot broke after I walked for a short while without my orthopaedic insoles, and there I could clearly see the break in the bone. Inspite of osteopenia that isn't normal!).
That sounded bad to me at first, but was your foot dx'ed as a "stress fracture"? It's impossible to believe, from a TMS perspective, that you can break your foot by not wearing your orthotics. Unless you have a rare bone disease, your foot would have to be run over by a truck to get broken. If it was something like a stress fracture, it may have been already there, a natural structural anomaly, akin to what Dr. Sarno terms "gray hair of the spine".
What's "osteopenis"? Sorry, "osteopenia" that was a typo--but it's pretty funny--to me. Maybe Viagra would be good for it?
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 08/09/2012 : 13:46:30
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Hi Birdie
Now that you say your tendon is "partially torn" that makes it more likely to be TMS. I remember a couple TMS doctors saying they could pretty much dismiss all chronic partial tendon and ligament tears as TMS.
Your history and childhood make you a perfect candidate for TMS. Plus, you can't tear a tendon without injuring it, but I'm no doctor.
I think if you keep trying to understand TMS and keep talking to a counselor your life quality will increase greatly. I know one woman who was in so much pain she was in a wheelchair. She is healthy today thanks to Dr. Sarno.
Good luck
Hi TTom, I want to talk to you soon and get caught up on your excellent adventure.
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Birdie78
Germany
145 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2012 : 14:31:29
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Hi everybody,
thanks again for advises and answers!
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What's "osteopenis"? Sorry, "osteopenia" that was a typo--but it's pretty funny--to me. Maybe Viagra would be good for it?
Ha ha, I really loughed at this...but firstly I was afraight; thought I was the one who accidently wrote "osteopenis". And, second thought: I must tell this to my psychoanalyst .
Osteopenia is a prestage of osteoporosis, normally occuring to climacteric period or other factors like Vitamine-D-defiency (which I had unknown for many years). I also had an bad accident in adolescence and the adhesion was not if it should (the ankle joint is partially stiff). And yes, it was a stress-fracture. Some months after healing there was made a controll MRT and nearly nothing "break" was to see anymore, so I think it was a fracture indeed. But I know what you mean: it's not always easy to make the right diagnose as there is a tendency to over-diagnose and to overestimate harmless incidental findings!
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Now that you say your tendon is "partially torn" that makes it more likely to be TMS. I remember a couple TMS doctors saying they could pretty much dismiss all chronic partial tendon and ligament tears as TMS.
Steve, thanks, thats really interesting! I was irritated because Sarno neglected serious structural findings. Are there any explanation patterns how that works? I can only imagine high tensioned muscels and tendons for partial rupture...
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Your history and childhood make you a perfect candidate for TMS. Plus, you can't tear a tendon without injuring it, but I'm no doctor
I absolutely agree! There could be only one reason: some pathological thing with the tissue. I found a very careful orthopaedic specialist. I saw him today after being at the MRT and told him that I think there's some psychosomatic reason for my chronic pain. I felt very happy with his reaction. To be sure, he said, he'd like to send me to a specialist looking out for some abnorality of my connective tissue. If there's everything ok we will focus on psychosomatic reasons. Therefore he's "only" an orthopaedic that's a great reaction. He never heart of TMS before but mentioned he noticed much tension and things like sex. abuse, cruelty and so on in his fibromyalgia-patients.
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Your history and childhood make you a perfect candidate for TMS. Plus, you can't tear a tendon without injuring it, but I'm no doctor
I'm not so far from this condition, as pain is getting worse and spreading...time to change!
Wishes,
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 08/09/2012 : 14:55:52
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Birdie, the Sarno book you're reading is old. He learned many more things over the years and expanded his awareness.
I imagine partial tears result from simply living; from lifting, pulling, stretching. These things are incidental findings on the MRIs. This means, they are "there on the MRI images" but they mean nothing. The physicians are inclined to look for something physical to blame for pain so they point to the tears as the cause. But they are wrong. This is known as a spurious correlation. In every spurious correlation there is an unknown factor that is the true cause, in this case and in most cases the cause is a blood flow reduction via the autonomic nervous system.
Find a good psychiatrist but don't make the mistake of just talking about your childhood. This doesn't heal TMS. You have to have the psychiatrist help you connect your pain to your emotions, then sever the emotion from the pain.
Do you use Skype?
Be happy, your pain can end or be greatly diminished, you've found the right stuff,
Osteopenis huh? Osteo means bone. Freud himself would be proud of that slip.
TTom stole my bye bye birdie line I was going to use, but I still love Ann Margaret
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Birdie78
Germany
145 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2012 : 03:18:35
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Birdie, the Sarno book you're reading is old. He learned many more things over the years and expanded his awareness.
Helpful for me to know this! Elswhere I read there're about seven TMS-Books. Is there anywhere a list of this books? I'd like to watch out if they exist in german. But I would also read in English, good exercice for me (or to me? I hate prepositions and was very lazy in school, so I had do deal with big problems in English ). I have to look up every third word when I write here, so it takes me a time to write here .
Ok, back to the topic: I'm also very interested in researching results for TMS/mind-body-disorders in general. Any resources for me?
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You have to have the psychiatrist help you connect your pain to your emotions, then sever the emotion from the pain.
Good advice! I definitley have big problems dealing with my emotions. What I don't understand: my husband has, too. Much more than me! He's the "master of repression" and, what makes me wonder, he's fine. No pain, no illnesses, no anxiety, no depression...! Maybe there're some protecting factors like he really is a big optimist (optimism? What's that? My mind is attracted to catastrophes  . He also is not what we call a perfectionist. His motto:"I do my very best and that's enough"). Could this be the reason why a person, although supressing his feelings, doesn't get sick? I's a mystery and it's complex..
Yes, I've an MSN-account! But speeking English will me much more funnier than writing, when I try to cirumscribe the missing words
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Osteopenis huh? Osteo means bone
ha ha, I imagine this as a very painful condition related to tooo much tension
Bye,
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 08/10/2012 : 07:18:42
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Birdie
The book you are reading, Healing Back Pain, by Dr. Sarno, is old but it is not wrong. It is still one of the best books ever written. But he learned more as the years grew.
On this TMSHelp website go to "Home" and you will see a list of TMS books, or books related to TMS.
My TMS book is the most general one, it covers more mindbody disorders than any of the others, so far. I would like to get translational rights to convert it into another language. I'll make you a business deal, I will take your pain away if you convert my book into German.
Dr. Sarno also has a book called The Mindbody Prescription that is a newer collection of thoughts, and he also has a 4th book, his crowning achievement, called The Divided Mind that is a more technical summary of his life's work. The last part of The Divided Mind is coauthored by a series of MDs who have incorporated TMS into their medical practices successfully, rheumatologist, general practitioner, hypertension, etc.
Your husband has the opposite personality of you. Do opposites attract in Germany too? He has no health problems because he doesn't over react to life. He lets the problems go and so his body pays no price for any emotional attachments. Your personality is called a Type T, for tension. He could be Type B.
If you want to talk by MSN let me know. I speak to people all over the world by Skype. I don't care what your English is like as long as you don't ask me to speak German.
Be happy, you can heal now,
Steve Ozanich
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 08/10/2012 : 07:40:57
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Originally posted by Birdie78
...I read there're about seven TMS-Books. Is there anywhere a list of this books?
...speeking English will me much more funnier than writing, when I try to cirumscribe the missing words
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Osteopenis huh? Osteo means bone
ha ha, I imagine this as a very painful condition related to tooo much tension
Well here's the TMS bibliography Birdie, from the link on this site's HOME PAGE. I hesitated to give it to you because, as SteveO warns, TMS'ers feel the need to keep reading EVERYTHING TMS to get well. They are ALL good books. I've read most of them twice each, slowly. But, my favorite for sentimental reasons is still Dr. Sarno's first, "MIND OVER BACK PAIN". I bumped into the small tome by accident, at a book store aptly named: A Clean Well Lighted Place for Books. The Good Doctor's fundamental's are all right there, (he did drop physical therapy later on).
Maybe your husband doesn't get TMS because of role differentiation--he lets you handle that department for him--why reinvent the wheel? It's the same with my brother/business partner. He surfs through stress and cannot fathom why I ruminate, procrastinate and want to plan ahead. His answer to my clinical depression was: "Buy a building and fix it up".
But, I'll give you the list anyway, so I can say: be careful circumcising the osteo-penis, make sure your tool is sharp.
Now it's time to say Bye Bye Birdie, I think Ann Margaret is hot too!
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TMS-Related Books and Other Resources
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Healing Back Pain: The Mind-Body Connection
by John E. Sarno, M.D.
The MindBody Prescription: Healing the Body, Healing the Pain
by John E. Sarno, M.D.
The Divided Mind: The Epidemic of Mindbody Disorders
by John E. Sarno, M.D.
To Be or Not To Be... Pain-Free: The Mindbody Syndrome
by Marc D. Sopher, M.D.
The Great Pain Deception: Faulty Medical Advice Is Making Us Worse
by Steven Ray Ozanich
Freedom from Fibromyalgia -- The 5-Week Program to Conquer Pain
by Nancy Selfridge, M.D.
Rapid Recovery from Back and Neck Pain: A Nine-Step Recovery Plan
by Fred Amir
The MindBody Workbook
by David Schechter, M.D.
The Mindbody Prescription Video
2-video tape set by John E. Sarno, M.D.
The Master Practice - Learning to Heal Chronic TMS Pain Permanently
by Monte Hueftle
Brady Institute 3-Tape TMS Video + Workbook
by Scott C. Brady, M.D. (Some on the message board have complained
about religious evangelizing on these tapes.)
The Power of Your Subconscious Mind
by Joseph Murphy (Not about TMS. Old fashioned with a religious slant but it contains many excellent ideas.)
Mind Over Back Pain
by John E. Sarno, M.D. (Sarno's first TMS book. Be aware that he has changed some of his ideas since this was written.)
Back Sense
by Ronald D. Siegel, Psy.D.
Say Goodnight to Insomnia
by Gregg D. Jacobs. (Not about TMS but suggested by several message board posters.)
Hope and Help for Your Nerves
by Claire Weekes (Not about TMS but suggested by several message board posters.)
Facing the Fire: Experiencing and Expressing Anger Appropriately
by John Lee and Bill Stott
A Knife in the Back
by Jerome Groopman, M.D. (This article, now published on Groopman's website, first appeared in The New Yorker. A must-read if you are considering back surgery.)
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Birdie78
Germany
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Posted - 08/13/2012 : 11:05:46
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Thanks again for advice and, ttom, thanks for the list (books).
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If you want to talk by MSN let me know. I speak to people all over the world by Skype. I don't care what your English is like as long as you don't ask me to speak German.
SteveO, thanks for your offer to talk via Skype to me, too. I'll get back to this in time. Would you send me your Skype-adress by mail?
But I don't know if that will work, as I wrote, I have to look for the most words in a dictionnary. And spoken Engslish is more hard for me to understand than written English. Wouldn't you try at least a little german jawbreaker ? "Fischers Fritz fischt frische Fische, frische Fische fischt Fischers Fritz" (it means that Fritz the fisher is fishing for fresh fish).
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I'll make you a business deal, I will take your pain away if you convert my book into German.
Did you mean it!?
Bye,
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SteveO
USA
272 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2012 : 15:41:23
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I'll send you an email Birdie, it will be labeled TMS so don't delete me.
To convert my book into German don't you have to understand the English part first? ha ha
I will practice my German
Fischers Fritz fischt frische Fische, frische Fische fischt Fischers Fritz sounds like a German stuttering to curse at someone.
Gesundheit
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susan828
USA
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Posted - 08/13/2012 : 18:47:05
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