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mala
Hong Kong
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 Posted - 08/01/2012 : 06:21:48
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Back pain, gut pain,anxiety,neck pain now pain left jaw going up to head. Every time I eat I am getting jaw pain & headache.
Any words of wisdom would be very much appreciated. I don't know how to cope. How does one cope with so much pain & discomfort. It's driving me insane.
My husband thinks its a dental thing and wants me have a check up.
I am thinking along the lines of tms. Has this happened to anyone else?
Good Luck & Good Health
Mala |
Edited by - mala on 08/01/2012 07:07:45 |
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drh7900
USA
194 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2012 : 11:52:10
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Have you ruled out dental issues for the jaw pain and headache? I know that dental infections can cause a tremendous amount of pain.
Other than that...I wish I could offer you some great advice, but I don't have much to offer. Pain and discomfort are...well...painful and uncomfortable. It sucks to endure it.
All the while, I can't help but observe that your symptoms are winning out. Without trying to offend you, it really seems to be that you are obsessed with all the different symptoms. I know how easy it is to do that...I know how easy it is to focus on the pain and the symptoms...but you need to shift your attention. Otherwise, you're just letting it win. As long as the brain can use the pain as a distraction, it will. And as long as it can find another location to bother so that your attention shifts there, it will.
Do you practice any relaxation techniques? Do you sit and listen to music or do things that just make you happy? What kinds of things do you do to work toward balancing that "rage to soothe ratio"?
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TaylorJoh
USA
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Posted - 08/01/2012 : 19:00:44
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Yes Mala, those are my main TMS symptoms. I was able to alleviate those symptoms for the most part for about 6 months.
I normally don't like to suggest this, but if you aren't getting any breaks or relief from pain, you might want to talk to your doctor about temporarily getting on some type of pain medication.
I've taken them a few times the last couple of weeks when it got to be to much for me to handle.
Your mind needs a break. And I think drh7900 is right, that you are obsessing about your symptoms. We're TMSers, that is what we do until we can train our minds not to.
If you decide to do that, it's the perfect time to journal, do something you love to do, meditate, learn some relaxation techniques ...etc. Just try to completely get your mind off the pain.
I know some people might object to the use of pain meds, but when someone is saying they are having a hard time coping and the pain is driving them insane, you need something to alleviate the suffering.
This is just my uneducated opinion and something I've done and thought it helped a lot.
*hugs*
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mala
Hong Kong
774 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2012 : 20:13:55
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Dustin thx. I really appreciate the fact that you always take time out to respond to me. And Taylor you too. You have no idea how much this means to me.
I am going to see a doctor to rule out dental problems today. And also ask for some pain relief. I have to be very careful taking pain meds after the 6 day bleeding bout I had.
I know I am coming across as obsessing. That's becoz well I AM obsessing. This last month has been hell for me. If there is hell on earth then this must be it. I said to Robert the other day that I wouldn't allow an animal to suffer like this. I have sat out on the balcony many times & thought about jumping but can't bring myself to do anything. Not becoz i'm scared. I have prayed every night that I might just slip away in my sleep. But I couldn't bring myself to hurt the people I love especially my 80 year old mom & my husband & my sister.
I say this not to get attention but perhaps to make you all realise why I keep posting and if it sounds obsessive then so be it becoz at the moment this forum is a big part of my life and is keeping me going. Who knows what someone here may write that will resonate with me.
This does not mean that I am not aware that I have to do the work. I understand that it all boils down to me.
Maybe I should take the signs that the pain is moving almost on a daily basis as a good one. Also maybe I am not as brave as some others here. You know SteveO going out to hit thousands of golf balls or Balto being fearless. The back pain & stomach pain I can manage I can even do other things. But jaw pain & headaches, That really debilitates me.
I do try other things. Hey I'm here in BKK having a good time  aren't I. I was listening to Ekhart Tolle yesterday. You know how desperate he was till he found the light. Well he's talking about being in the NOW. Everyone talks about being in the NOW. And he says forget the past, forget the future. Just think about this moment. And I say yes All I can feel at THIS moment is pain. Why would anyone want to stay in this momnet. Don't get me wrong. I can be in the NOW too. Its very easy when u r not in pain. In fact then it feels real good.
Anyway thx for letting me go on.
Good Luck & Good Health
Mala |
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TaylorJoh
USA
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Posted - 08/02/2012 : 01:24:43
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Hi Mala,
I only have a minute because I have to take my dogs out as they are going crazy. But I believe in Bangkok they sell Tramadol/Ultram without a prescription. You can get it without the Tylenol or NSaids in it.
Even during my worst intestinal pain it didn't hurt me to take it. In fact it really helped the pain.
It's not scheduled here in the states but it does require a prescription. It can be VERY physically addicting if taken for more than a couple of weeks straight. It can also be addicting because of the anti-depressant. It gives some people a sense of well-being and a lot of energy.
It didn't me, it made me feel relaxed and sleepy lol.
Because of your bleeding episode though, I'd definitely discuss it with your doctor before taking it.
Are you bleeding because of the colitis?
I really hope you will be given something that will help you. You really need a break from all this pain. Pain is pain, whether it's TMS or structural and nobody should have to suffer so much if there is help.
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abundance72
Australia
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Posted - 08/02/2012 : 03:12:01
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Mala, I do understand what you're going through. I suffer with 24-7 backpain that i've had for so many years I can't even remember when it started... actually it was probably 22 years ago...
I have been getting headaches for the last 9 years, on and off. I have bouts of weeks with headaches at least 2 a week, and at times I have had 15 headaches a month! I went through this years ago really bad. I would get an extreme pressure in my head and I would feel off balance and fuzzy in my head, like my head was swimming around inside. I would suffer this daily for years and I would at times feel nauseous.. I couldn't even begin to tell you how terrified I was, I went for a brain MRI scan, a CT scan other tests such as getting ears checked, sinuses checked and so on. In the end it was nothing but anxiety - TMS (I didn't know it then). I understand how you feel when you feel that you are the only one with this terrible pain. I felt the same way. Somehow, I started to get on with life and slowly these symptoms left me, I was pain free (headache and fuzzy headed etc - not really the backpain) for about 5-6 years and now they're back again! Now my back pain is worse and my headaches are back - probably not as bad as the last time but I am getting them so frequently they give me the absolute ****s! (excuse my french!)
I just want you to know that I know where you're at, i'm trying real hard at the moment as well to just get past this, I get days where I feel so much tension in my face my whole jaw feels like it's in a vice, I feel like i'm clenching my teeth and face when i'm actually not. It makes my whole face, neck and head feel so tense and uncomfortable. I just try to do daily meditations and try my hardest to get on with it.
I don't want you to feel alone as I do really sympathise with you and want you to know you're not alone. There are days that all I do is obsess over my symptoms too as it's hard not too when you just don't feel well.
We're all in this together, we just have to keep supporting eachother and helping eachother out as the advice of others does comfort and reassure me/us.
Goodluck Mala and chin up, you're not alone. You WILL get there. Have faith and trust in YOU. I believe that I will also get better SOON.
All the best and keep smiling 
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Every Cell in my body vibrates with energy and health
Loving myself heals my life. I nourish my mind, body and soul
My body heals quickly and easily
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drh7900
USA
194 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2012 : 08:21:08
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I would like to echo that you're not alone. When you've suffered as much as many of us have, thoughts can get dark...really dark...fast. I have also prayed for the "sweet release" of death on many nights. I have contemplated what would be the easiest way to end it all...like you, I didn't want to hurt those around me, so I just went on suffering.
And it's hard NOT to be obsessive about the symptoms. I know this. It's hard not to monitor how you're doing. Heck, this morning I had a moment of complete painlessness. When that happened, I couldn't stop focusing on the area to see if it was going to come back or stay away...well, my obsession with it brought it back. It happens...and I can only hope that eventually I will be able to better control my focus on the symptoms.
And as far as living in the moment and being in the NOW - I think the idea is, as much as you are able, to find something to take your mind off the pain. Paint a picture, read a book, write a book, learn to play an instrument, play a game, do a cross-word...whatever it is that appeals to you...whatever it is you're passionate about...DO THAT. But whatever you do, focus on that. Focus on what you're doing, seeing, hearing, sensing, smelling. Are you gardening? Pay attention to the colors of the flowers, the texture of the soil, the warmth of the sun. Experience the experience. Make a conscious decision and effort to place your focus on those things. Observe them out loud.
It's extremely difficult for the human mind to think one thing and make the mouth say something else at the exact same moment. If you choose to say "the soil is so warm and soft", then for the 2 seconds it takes you to say that, your mind can't shout "HOLY CRAP THAT HURTS!" because you're forcing it to express something else. I think that's one of the reasons people suggest standing in front of a mirror and saying affirmations out loud. You're forced to look yourself in the face and you force your brain, at least temporarily, to think something and focus on something that YOU want it to focus on instead of what it usually wanders on about.
Occupy your brain with enjoyable and positive things...force it to comply by saying things out loud. Don't just DO things...EXPERIENCE them...that's being in the now.
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 08/02/2012 : 08:27:41
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Originally posted by drh7900
Occupy your brain with enjoyable and positive things...force it to comply by saying things out loud. Don't just DO things...EXPERIENCE them...that's being in the now.
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Good advice Dustin, focus on positive distractions and not painful ones. |
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RageSootheRatio
Canada
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Posted - 08/02/2012 : 11:13:01
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HI Mala,
sorry to hear you're having such a rough time...
Sounds like at least SOME of your time, you are actually in a full-blown stress response, which is when basically the brain (the prefrontal cortex part of it at least) is basically "off-line" and so any cognitive type tools to deal with the TMS is not likely to be effective.
When I am at that point, I use a "tool" called The Damage Control Tool, from a program called Emotional Brain Training (which I learned about from one of the members on this TMS board).
Here's a little info about this tool
FROM the EBT Blog:
http://ebtnews.wordpress.com/
"The point with this tool is to meet the brain where it is: in fear, in terror, which means the cortisol cascade is affecting focus and concentration so keeping it simple is key, and they giving ourselves what we all need, which is whatever mirrors a responsive parent, what they would do in that situation. That’s evolution for your, fitting with lock in key precision to calm the brain and return to states of well-being that increase the chances of survival in the long term.
So that’s where getting an index card or two can be quite the ticket. You write the words down:
I will not judge myself or others.
Minimize harm.
Know it will pass."
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Then after you write the words down, just keep repeating them to yourself - 5, 10, 50 times... like a chant, I usually do...
I sometimes use the "Children's Form" of the tool which goes like this:
Take a break.
Do something kind for yourself
Know it will pass.
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I also think using pain meds wisely can be a healthy strategy.
You had asked in that other thread what worked for me to give me "confidence" in aborting pain headaches, and it was basically just journaling, at that time. But that would NOT have worked for me if I had been in a completely full-blown stress response in those moments, though, which is what it sounds like you are suffering from in many moments these days! Some "tools" only work at certain levels of stress/calm, and NOT others I have found... and of course, many things are NOT enjoyable to ourselves at all, if we are in a full-blown stress reaction.
I think one of the "tricks"/keys is just to add on as little secondary stress as possible to an already very painful situation.
Glad to hear you are going to a professional to rule out an actual dental condition.
I am reminded of a quote from one of my tai chi books: "Life sucks when you feel bad."
I'm really sorry your life sucks right now, and hope you do feel some better, soon!
RSR
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 08/02/2012 : 13:43:57
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Mala, you need to get some therapy and maybe some meds (temporarily) until you can settle down. I'm sure there are competent therapists in a city as cosmopolitan as Hong Kong. At this point, it doesn't matter if they are TMS savy. It's not rocket science, if you have an MD you trust maybe he/she can refer you to one and be part of your recovery.
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mala
Hong Kong
774 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2012 : 19:39:25
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Went to see a doctor here in BKK yesterday. He has prescribed
Ultracet
Arcoxia
Muscle relaxants.
Read the side effects & they scare the living daylights outta me.
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miehnesor
USA
430 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2012 : 23:14:46
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mala
Hong Kong
774 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2012 : 05:35:49
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Day 15 in BKK. I took the meds which was for a week. Like most anti inflammatories, they took a few days to work & the pain was less. I only took the muscle relaxants & ultracet when needed. I went back after a week and the doc asked me how I was and recommended another 5 days of arcoxia. I told the doc I was having very bad thoughts and he spent a long time talking with me. I told him about t he backpain, the jaw pain, the fibroids,the gut pain, anxiety & he's aid it could be fibromyalgia. He was a good listener & very sympathetic. He prescribed lyrica & another pill. I brought them back with me but haven't taken them.
So it's been no pills for a week. I am not doing well.thepain in shoulders & neck is bothersome & the anxiety has kill my appetite. When I do eat a few bites my stomach starts hurting immediately.
I am thinking psychologically, reading success stories on the forum everyday & have got my husband to keep encouraging me & keep reminding me its tms. I even had a few glasses of wine despite the stomach.
I admit that I am totally obsessed with my situation & although I intellectually understand that I should not obsess & not fear, I am not able to apply the knowledge. Even when I'm out I am so aware of my pain. I M not able to shift my focus to something else.
Iam meditating when I can but can hold the concentration. Can't watch tv,don't want to watch tv or read or do anything.
Dustin, I too can't seem to let go. Even when there are moments the pain is gone or is less, I can't relax & enjoy the respite. All I can think is it's going to come back and so it does.
RSR thx for the advice. I am also trying EFT. There is a cavity in one of my teeth at the back on the same side of jaw pain. Dentist recommends letting the jaw pain subside a bit before doing anything to it.
Can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. Any suggestions or techniques would be Appreciated. So need to get out of this dark place. so need some sign of hope. Don't want to go down the anti depressants route & nightmare that I read about people with fibro.
I think the perfectionist in me wants to do this without medication which I've always hated so I am putting even more pressure on myself.
Thx
Mala
Honestly, I sometimes really get fed up with my subconscious. It's like it's got a mind of its own.
Alexei Sayle
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 08/13/2012 : 10:32:14
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Originally posted by mala
Can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. Any suggestions or techniques would be Appreciated. So need to get out of this dark place. so need some sign of hope. Don't want to go down the anti depressants route & nightmare that I read about people with fibro
Mala
Fibromyalgia is an extreme form of TMS. I've taken anti-depressants several times in my life and found them VERY beneficial, for a short term respite from high anxiety. They enabled me to see "the light at the end of the tunnel". The only one I had a bad reaction to was Lexipro but some people swear by Lexies, so it may depend on the doctor getting it right, as to whether you need settling down, or pepping up. I saw a commercial for Lyrica the other day and and I'm thinking about experimenting with it, just for grins--whatever works.
I've taken small dose Celexa, as recommended for TMS pain relief, that facilitated reaching another level of improvement.
I've recommended psychotherapy to you before without a reply. You are avoiding this question. I've had therapy on several occasions to get me through some very rough patches. It was very beneficial for me, when I felt, like you sound. Putting TMS into practice IS affective applied psychology.
It sounds like you have a sympathetic doctor--but not taking the meds he prescribes is not good. Have you told him you are not following through? If you don't follow his prescription, he may lose patience with you, and you may lose a good doctor.
If you find what I am saying is offensive or getting too close to home, feel free to tell me to STFU and I won't respond to your posts anymore. It's just that you repeatedly ask for help here, but do not appear to be responding to the good counsel you are getting. Like SteveO says in his book, it's like the movie "Ground Hog Day".
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TaylorJoh
USA
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Posted - 08/13/2012 : 13:00:43
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Hi Mala,
I could understand not taking the meds in fear of side effects and reactions. But I can't fathom staying in the kind of pain you are in because of being a perfectionist?
I'm taking neuronton, which is a poor man's version of Lyrica. I've taken Lyrica before and boy did it help the pain. It also gave me an "everything is right with the world" type feeling. Unfortunately, it was way to expensive. So, I opted for the poor man's version Nueronton. Not as good as Lyrica but I find it very helpful for pain, anxiety and sleeping. I don't suggest taking the muscle relaxer, Lyrica and tramadol all at the same time. You will get way to groggy.
I've taken Lyrica and tramadol at the same time and found a lot of pain relief.
I think TennisTom is right, that your doctor will get frustrated with you if you don't take the prescriptions. There is no reason to keep going to the doctor if you're not going to take meds. If you have a problem with side effects and aren't comfortable taking them, then tell him that. He at least knows your trying to help yourself.
This is only my perception and I could be wrong, but I think until you take your pain medication and have been out of pain for awhile, so as to relax your mind more, you won't be very receptive. It seems to me that you are in state of hysteria and it hard to reason with people that are in that state. But I'll try to anyway.
You can stop this. You have medication to help your pain and you have the most profound knowledge that Dr Sarno gave you. If you have fibromyalgia, it is because you have been in a state of chronic stress, anxiety and fear for a long time. You are not a victim of the conditions you have, you are the perpetrator. And that might seem harsh, but it's really not. All that means is, you're in control. You got yourself into this mess now the onus is on you to get out of it. And that's a good thing!!
And this might seem harsh too, but I'm just trying to be straight with you. Stop catastrophizing your fibroid. It's nothing. It's no big deal. If every woman catastrophized their small fibroids (a lot of women do though) this world would be in chaos because it's so common. But most women find out about it, realize that it's nothing and move on with their lives. Then there are the women that exaggerate the diagnosis, end up with pain and hysterectomies and then end up post surgery in the same pain with a host of other problems. And the cycle continues for years. Forget about the fibroid, it's a non issue.
When I ended up in really bad stomach pain a month ago, I didn't get scared. I just sat back and thought 'woah, look what you've done to yourself.' When I realized it was me that was doing damage to myself, I couldn't really sit back and be a victim. I had to get proactive in helping myself. When you do that, you can't get hysterical. You're just concentrating on the psychological issues that you've been dealing with and realized you dealt with them wrong and fix it.
You can get better Mala, but it's your choice to be in pain or get healthy.
Hoping for some healing for you.
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mala
Hong Kong
774 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2012 : 05:12:22
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Hey TT & Taylor.
Thx for posting.
Yes I you are both right. I am not helping myself. I read about the 2 antidepressants on the Internet & there was some negativity surrounding Lyrica but Pristiq seems to have some good reviews. Many many years ago, I was given neurontin for my back pain. It did nothing in fact made me foggy headed, sleepy & did not relieve the pain. Lyrica is pretty much the same sort of drug from the same family. Plus I put of a lot of weight which I managed to eventually lose.
I am also worried about becoming dependent on meds & have heard that people actually get worse before getting better & withdrawal symptoms that are hellish.
But I have an appt. With the doc in 2 days time & will discuss my fears & concerns with him.
I did start going to see a therapist many years ago when the back pain was not so bad & I didn't have the other problems. I had 3 sessions & the therapist told me that there was nothing wrong with me. She taught me some EFT exercises & that was that. You will be surprised how few therapists there are but i have got a list ready for when I go back to HK.
I will not be victim. I will do what is necessary. Thank you both for Posting some sense into me. I am grateful
Honestly, I sometimes really get fed up with my subconscious. It's like it's got a mind of its own.
Alexei Sayle
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 08/14/2012 : 08:51:14
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Thanks for replying Mala. The best time to see a therapist is probably when we're feeling great. Unfortunately, we wait 'til we're in crisis mode before we seek their help. Maybe TMS'ers should see one on a regular routine maintenance schedule--like a car. At 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, get a major servicing--timing belts at 90, or when factory advises.
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mala
Hong Kong
774 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2012 : 09:26:35
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Thx TT
Honestly, I sometimes really get fed up with my subconscious. It's like it's got a mind of its own.
Alexei Sayle
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avik
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Posted - 08/14/2012 : 21:50:14
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Mala-
The fibro diagnosis is a load of crap.
I was diagnosed almost 3 years ago (after steadily escalating in TMS equivalents over 10+ yrs) and at the time, it was my death sentence.
Why?
Because it was a label and...it made me go home and research all of the horror stories online...which gave my crazy brain all sorts of interesting ideas to work with and low and behold, I got substantially worse almost immediately following that diagnosis.
Ironically, IT WAS THIS THAT TURNED THE TIDES FOR ME. The fibro pains for me were hell...I promise you I could paint a picture of pain for you (burning skin, inability to get warm and/or cool off, non-responsive limbs, muscle spasms everywhere, loss of hearing and eyesight, chronic fatigue, insomnia...blah blah blah)that would make your stomach turn.
THANK GOD for the BS diagnosis because it forced me to hit rock bottom and thats when I started doing some major work/discovery on/within myself and I began to take significant steps toward recovery about a month or two after the diagnosis.
Ive read quite a few of your posts Mala and it sounds like you are at/approaching bottom and that means your brain is throwing everything at you but the kitchen sink as its last stand! You are near a major turning point...ive seen this before, many times!
Some advice from someone who's been there but is quite obviously NOT a Dr:
1. Rule out any serious stuff with the Jaw. (I had ever jaw problem imaginable and I found relief only after ruling out every structural causal-possibility)
2. Take your g-d-damn pills and alleviate some pain! but cognitively say to yourself while you swallow those pills "I am doing this for short-term relief, I know this is a mind-body disorder and I will continue to progress down this TMS-path regardless of what these pills do/dont do for me".
3. If you are not speaking to someone, find a therapist asap. Forgive me for sounding presumptuous but its quite obvious to me that you are holding on to some deep, stubborn issues, and they need to be expelled.
4. Read The Great Pain Deception by Steve O. This is the first book that ive read that I really identified with. Its a must read.
Stay positive...in my opinion drastic increases in pain...things getting a lot worse...means you are getting closer to a discovery or turning point...keep pushing forward. |
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mala
Hong Kong
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Posted - 08/15/2012 : 04:10:40
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Avik, many many thx for yr post. I had just walked into the apartment her in Bkk feeling vey negative & dejected and yr post was a godsend in that it has lifted my spirits.
You seemed to have had it very bad & what is more surprising is that it happened to a man. FM is usually so associated with women.
I have known for a while now from various books & posts that FM is just another tms symptom . Yet I still have great difficulty processing that info at a subconscious level. It's like I have the knowledge but can't seem to be able to apply it and make it work for me. My subconscious seems to be very resistant.
Of course as you & others here have mentioned being in pain just makes things more difficult so yes I will take the medication so that I am more able focus on the mind body stuff. I have seen a dentist, maxillofacial doctor & will see a TMJ specialist tomorrow.
But even if there is something structural how do I know whether to treat it physically or not. I mean herniated discs are physically detectable but we are told to ignore them?
I have already read SteveO's book. It is very good . Lots of details but it has also confused me a lot. I think the simplicity of sarno,'s HBP appeals to me more. Sometimes less can be more but I think this is just my opinion.
I like that you think all this means that I'm getting closer coz it means that at least I'm getting somewhere.
I made a decision about 6 weeks ago about the time this all started to escalate. Something about my past that was still with me for many many years. Perhaps this is in reaction to that.
Take care
Mala
Honestly, I sometimes really get fed up with my subconscious. It's like it's got a mind of its own.
Alexei Sayle
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avik
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Posted - 08/15/2012 : 10:17:50
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Originally posted by mala
Avik, many many thx for yr post. I had just walked into the apartment her in Bkk feeling vey negative & dejected and yr post was a godsend in that it has lifted my spirits.
You seemed to have had it very bad & what is more surprising is that it happened to a man. FM is usually so associated with women.
I have known for a while now from various books & posts that FM is just another tms symptom . Yet I still have great difficulty processing that info at a subconscious level. It's like I have the knowledge but can't seem to be able to apply it and make it work for me. My subconscious seems to be very resistant.
Of course as you & others here have mentioned being in pain just makes things more difficult so yes I will take the medication so that I am more able focus on the mind body stuff. I have seen a dentist, maxillofacial doctor & will see a TMJ specialist tomorrow.
But even if there is something structural how do I know whether to treat it physically or not. I mean herniated discs are physically detectable but we are told to ignore them?
I have already read SteveO's book. It is very good . Lots of details but it has also confused me a lot. I think the simplicity of sarno,'s HBP appeals to me more. Sometimes less can be more but I think this is just my opinion.
I like that you think all this means that I'm getting closer coz it means that at least I'm getting somewhere.
I made a decision about 6 weeks ago about the time this all started to escalate. Something about my past that was still with me for many many years. Perhaps this is in reaction to that.
Take care
Mala
Honestly, I sometimes really get fed up with my subconscious. It's like it's got a mind of its own.
Alexei Sayle
Mala-
I noticed a pattern in your responses:
"I have known for a while now from various books & posts that FM is just another tms symptom . Yet I still have great difficulty processing that info at a subconscious level. It's like I have the knowledge but can't seem to be able to apply it and make it work for me. My subconscious seems to be very resistant."
You are almost entirely focused on the symptoms and intellectualizing the process.
The tides turned for me when I started focusing on my past; dealing with repressed emotions. I personally dont believe that just ignoring your symptoms or turning your attention away from them, is enough. Further, understanding how TMS works, is not enough either. You have to identify what the culprit is and thats what "allows" the brain to release its hold on you physically as the diversion is no longer needed.
If you continue to focus on your pain(s), your pain(s) will continue to focus on you.
Focus whatever energy you have on unearthing what is repressed, what is eating away at you internally and that which is forcing your brain to divert your attention from IT.
Are you writing?
Are you speaking to a therapist?
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Edited by - avik on 08/15/2012 10:23:25 |
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Another TMS equivalent? Unbelievable.
