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abundance72

Australia
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Posted - 06/24/2012 :  05:34:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have a question I am really trying to work out. If I have constant upper back pain that doesn't go no matter what I do, I also have a bit of lower back pain and get lots of headaches. What I really want to know is if the pain is constantly in the same area and doesn't really move to other areas is it still TMS? My understanding is that it moves around. I can't seem to get it to go let alone move??

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lynnl

USA
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Posted - 06/24/2012 :  09:41:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by abundance72

What I really want to know is if the pain is constantly in the same area and doesn't really move to other areas is it still TMS? My understanding is that it moves around. I can't seem to get it to go let alone move??





I don't know the basis of it, but I think your understanding of the process is all wrong.

When people comment about the TMS tendency to "move around" they're normally referring to the fact that as steps are taken to control one symptom, say back pain, another symptom will pop up to take the place of the first.

What you're describing "...pain constantly in same area..." is precisely the main characteristic of TMS. It will remain in that same area as long as it is grabbing your attention to the exclusion of all emotional/psychological thoughts. ...and that can be weeks, months, years, or decades, unless and until you do something about it.

Think about it....
All bonafide injuries hurt like the dickens for the first few days, and then gradually get better, slowly at first then more quickly until finally no pain at all after 6 weeks at most. NO EXCEPTIONS!

ALL Pains that linger on and on beyond what would be a normal healing period for that condition are being constantly generated by the mindbody itself. NO EXCEPTIONS.


Lynn
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abundance72

Australia
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Posted - 06/24/2012 :  15:23:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Lynn for replying, I realise it's when you take those steps and then the pain reduces but I'm trying to take those steps in not fearing it (although it's very hard) and I'm doing meditation and still activities but the pain just won't decrease.. Which gives me the doubt that maybe its not TMS? I've had back pain for over 20 years, lately it's been worse but I'm not sure if it's because I have a very busy/stressful life with small twins and I'm beginning to worry about there being something wrong with my back? In the past I knew I had the backpain but it was always in the background and not really my main focus from the moment I wake up to the moment I go to bed. I feel like its all I think/ worry about lately because it hurts more.... Could I be creating more pain through stress and then worry or could I have a back problem that is starting to become something serious? I'm such a thinker and worried it really does my head in! Lol not a fun way to live.... Thanks again for your reply, all comments appreciated.

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SteveO

USA
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Posted - 06/25/2012 :  16:09:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Don't be concerned if your symptom doesn't shift or move around. My pain was in the same location for 30 years and I healed all the way.

By saying that the "hallmark" or "signature characteristic" TMS is that the symptom moves around, this just means that it's proof positive that it's TMS when it shifts. It doesn't mean that it isn't TMS if it doesn't shift.

It doesn't always move before it heals either, but it more often does. Sometimes it shifts, the person gets really excited, and it swirls around in the body only to settle right back into the same area, to the chagrin of the sufferer.

Remember, the goal is not to take the pain away. That is a major error for people who have trouble healing.

Steve

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drh7900

USA
194 Posts

Posted - 06/26/2012 :  13:34:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm surprised Steve didn't say "Stop trying to heal".

The problem is that when you're trying to heal...your focused on the physical...this is probably the single hardest thing for a TMSer to do...but stop monitoring your pain. I still struggle with it. It's hard not to monitor how you feel when you've suffered pain for an extended period of time...especially many many years!

To expand upon Steve's statement of "The goal is not to take the pain away." - and I am only saying this because I've read his book and I think I understand all of this - but the goal is to live your life...love your life. Do what you love to do. If it hurts...ok...but do it anyway. I played racquetball today...there were moments it hurt...but instead of thinking "oh, God...it hurts again...why do I still hurt...when will it stop" I thought "Ooh...that hurt...back to the game!!!" By the time I was done with the game, you want to know what I felt? EXHAUSTED. Yeah, I had a little bit of a limp...yeah some of my pain is still present...but I DON'T feel any worse now than before I played...and that's what I feared in the past.

If you read Steve's book...you'll get to read the humorous lines about his affection for his car after hitting 1000 golf balls at the driving range...he still had pain, but he didn't FEAR it!

Live your life without fear. If you do something and it hurts...it's ok. We're human...we're bound to hurt sometimes. But from a TMS recovery perspective, don't allow it to keep your attention. Catch and release. Focus on how you're feeling emotionally...be mindful of what's going on with you now...be aware of why your emotions are in the state they are in...but for the love of all that is holy and good, don't let your pain win by being a distraction and causing you to doubt or you continue to feed the TMS beast. Structural pain doesn't last for 20 years...it just doesn't.

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Dustin
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abundance72

Australia
37 Posts

Posted - 06/26/2012 :  17:33:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you Steve and Dustin for your great responses, so hard to do but so true! I have noticed the past few days my mind has let it go and focused on other things, happier things and my pain has decreased! This is great! I've just received your book in the mail yesterday SteveO and I am very excited to start reading.. Thank god for this wonderful site! I'm beginning to believe theres light through this darkness.... Thank you..

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