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Albert

USA
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Posted - 02/18/2005 :  10:34:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For the most part I feel pretty good during the day. I often feel as if either a small section of my lower back or neck muscles are tensed up a bit, but not in a painful way.

The symptoms feel the most intense in the morning while laying in bed. I'll wake up and get the sense that if I move just a little bit, I'll get a jolt. When I do move just a little bit, I do get a jolt.

But I've had a couple of experiences lately that suggest conditioning. One morning just as I started to fall asleep again, I quickly started to dream and during the short dream used my foot to straighten out a carpet. This dream movement caused me to feel a jolt in my waking state lower back. The same type of lower back jolt occured when I dreamed that I was kicking one of my legs.

So yesterday morning after having an initial jolt, I purposely tried to make the jolt happen again by moving around a lot, with the idea of undoing the condioning. I couldn't make it happen, but I did find a position that made the background spasm feel stronger, and held the position so I could inquire into what's so bad about this? It didn't seem so bad, and then I tuned into a sense of peace while continuing to hold the position. All of this caused the backgroud spasm do diminish.

This morning I had a similar experience. I woke up with a feeling of tension in my back that made it feel as if any little movement would give me a jolt. I moved a little and got a jolt. I then started moving a lot with the hope of recreating the jolt but couldn't do so. I tried to find a position that felt really uncomfortable so I could do as I did the day before, but couldn't find one.

It seems that when I expected the jolt but didn't really want it, it happened. When I wanted it to happen, it wouldn't. I figure that the jolts I'm feeling are conditioning, but I have one reservation. If oxygen deprivation happens, the resulting shortage of ATP (a molecule that provides energy for muscular contraction) can cause a muscle fiber to get stuck in a contracted state, and moving in a manner that causes a contracted muscle to be stretched might lead to pain. IT SEEMS AS IF WHAT I FIRST DESCRIBED IS HAPPENING, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LATER FACTOR? I have a fair number of physical limitations to overcome, and it is possible that the later factor is effecting my thinking.

menvert

Australia
133 Posts

Posted - 02/18/2005 :  17:26:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would suggest focusing on the physical physiological reasons for TMS pain is not beneficial...
I believe Sarno uses the oxygen deprivation more as an example... it is an explanation for a wide range of muscle pain. BUT your brain can perform any thing it likes..... especially if you are focusing on the physiological changes occurring . it would follow that your brain will try to do something, you will think is not possible through the mind. And I think you'll find our autonomous nervous system is pretty quick at being able to turn the oxygen levels up or down.

And yes what you explained suggests, conditioning and your method of combating it seems to be appropriate.
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Baseball65

USA
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Posted - 02/18/2005 :  18:56:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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I often feel as if either a small section of my lower back or neck muscles are tensed up a bit


This will eventually be the ONLY symptom...whenever I even begin to feel this,I am now conditioned to run Sarno 7.0,and it pre-empts the pain.

It sounds like you have come a long way.I'm pretty certain if you continue as you are you will eliminate All of your symptoms with no residual pain....that pain free tension you speak of will be the warning and than; bada bing,you'll start to wonder what's bugging.

Keep challenging the conditioning like this.

Marc

Baseball65
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Stryder

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Posted - 02/21/2005 :  20:08:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Albert,

I used to have a conditioning as well, I would get increased lower back pain and spasms as soon as I got out of bed and into the shower. In hindsight, this conditioning was linked to me thinking about the job I loathed as I got ready to go to work every day.

Now that I have found my TMS diagnosis, and am mostly cured, I have been able to break the conditioning, and no longer have this reaction.

Be persistant in your discoveries, and you will learn to slowly break the conditioning as well. It may take weeks or months, don't give up you are moving in the right direction.

Take care, -Stryder
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