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mala
Hong Kong
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 Posted - 06/11/2012 : 23:43:00
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Finally got the book. It took a month since I ordered it from Amazon. Read quite a bit of it. Honestly it was depressing at first reading about all the things that he & his family had to endure. In fact my back flared up big time. He seems to gone thru a host of illnesses. I am very pleased for him that he has come out of it a winner.
I have some questions for all you folk out there & steve as well.
During all the time Steve suffered, did he take any medication at all. Especially for the times when he was crawling about in pain. he must have taken or used something. What about for his other ailments like his cough, bladder etc. Could that have helped with recovery?
Also I know this is going to provoke but honestly isn't the treatment for TMS just a placebo. It works for some immediately, doesn't work for some & works as long as you believe.
I mean in Steve's case, it took 15 months & a lot of what he was doing was Mind over Matter & sheer believing & pigheadedness?
Just thinking out loud folks.
Good Luck & Good Health
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Edited by - mala on 06/11/2012 23:45:44 |
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kstarnes
USA
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Posted - 06/12/2012 : 06:48:55
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Interesting view that the treatment for TMS is a placebo also. I feel (notice I didn't write think) that the difference is the engine that makes all placebos work is actually being used in a way that is conscious. This way one can actually use the mind like a drug. Some people are not able to figure this out right away while others do. I have no idea why this is so, but it is. Either way, once it is figured out, it is readily available and never runs out. I do not think of my mind as a drug, but some may. I think of it as the starting and ending point and I am wasting my time looking anywhere else for answers to any pains or discomforts that may occur. In short, THINK PSYCHOLOGICAL, NOT PHYSICAL. Works for me!
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Posted - 06/12/2012 : 07:21:28
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Placebos are generally temporary in effect. Many are cured for a lifetime around here, though many must practice TMS self treatment on and off for years. Bear in mind that the placebo effect operates in all medical interventions to a certain extent.
INcidentally, I take issue with your use of the term "belief." All that's required of you in a bottom line way is to stop worrying about your pain. |
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drh7900
USA
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Posted - 06/12/2012 : 11:54:59
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I can't remember if SteveO said he ever used meds...but they certainly didn't help with his recovery if he did. He will tell you that straight up, from what I gathered in the book. I understood that his belief is that analgesic effects of drugs are mostly placebo.
As far as TMS treatment being placebo, Dr. Sarno ardently argues that TMS treatment is the exact opposite of placebo. For placebo to work, you have to have "blind faith" in the treatment. TMS treatment requires faith, yes, but not blind faith. It requires knowledge, teaching, information, repetition and ultimately requires that the subject be well educated on the matter. You have to "get it" and "understand it" and "believe it" for it to work, but it requires knowledge. Not so for pills. You can be given a sugar pill and be told that it works for migraines but the possible side effects are dizziness, nausea, weight gain, involuntary use of brightly colored dyes, and a desire to hunt and kill mountain goats, and there's a decent chance your headache will go away and you'll have a new bright orange stuffed goat crookedly mounted on your wall and 5 extra pounds (or kilos?) as long as you believe the physician. There's no requirement of knowing the "why" or "how" the placebo should work...just the suggestion that it should. TMS requirs the "why" and the "how".
For the record, I never believed or disbelieved that pills (morphine, hydrocodone, ibuprofin, gabipentin, tramadol, tylenol, cyclobenzaprene, etc) would give me relief...I took them in hopes that they would and they RARELY offered any relief. In fact, I told doctors for YEARS that the only reason I continued taking the narcotics (took a hydrocodone pill with the cyclobenzaprene which is a muscle relaxer) is because it made me not care about the pain as much...it never actually helped with the pain. It didn't take the edge off...it just made me apathetic about it and made me drowsy enough to sleep so I could sleep through the pain. Same with the epidural steroid injections...I got relief from 2 or 3 out of 7 or 8 injections. The relief was minimal (anywhere from 2 hours to 2 weeks).
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