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susan828
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 Posted - 05/15/2012 : 17:28:26
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I have read all of Sarno's books and not Steve's. In Steve's book, he says when the pain comes, to think of something pleasant. Other books say think of what's really bothering you. Others say "journal". I am so confused. The books say keep doing what you think you can't do. My problem isn't back pain or pains that require movement. My problem is chronic jaw and tooth pain and stomach pain...so I am not restricting movement. Even as a child, I had a nervous stomach. I do everything and am physically active.
I definitely see the connections but I don't know what to actually tell myself when the pain comes in order to get rid of it. I want to know what to do..."think psychological" has not helped me. Please don't say I should get a therapist because I can't afford it at all. I read Chapter 14 of Steve's book and although I find it better than Sarno's books, I still don't know what the key is to getting over this. If I don't have to know exactly what is causing the unconscious anger, how do I undo it? Some of the books say it's current anger. Please, someone, clarify this for me and tell me in practical terms what to to..talk, journal, remember what wrong when I was little, now? I just don't understand this and am trying. |
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susan828
USA
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Posted - 05/15/2012 : 17:31:05
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I have read all of Sarno's books and now Steve's. In Steve's book, he says when the pain comes, to think of something pleasant. Other books say think of what's really bothering you. Others say "journal". I am so confused. The books say keep doing what you think you can't do. My problem isn't back pain or pains that require movement. My problem is chronic jaw and tooth pain and stomach pain...so I am not restricting movement. Even as a child, I had a nervous stomach. I do everything and am physically active.
I definitely see the connections but I don't know what to actually tell myself when the pain comes in order to get rid of it. I want to know what to do..."think psychological" has not helped me. Please don't say I should get a therapist because I can't afford it at all. I read Chapter 14 of Steve's book and although I find it better than Sarno's books, I still don't know what the key is to getting over this. If I don't have to know exactly what is causing the unconscious anger, how do I undo it? Some of the books say it's current anger. Please, someone, clarify this for me and tell me in practical terms what to to..talk, journal, remember what wrong when I was little, now? I just don't understand this and am trying.
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susan828
USA
291 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2012 : 17:33:09
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| Sorry...I meant "now Steve's", not "not Steve's" and tried to edit and it posted again. I did read Steve's book. |
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Hillbilly
USA
385 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2012 : 18:15:08
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Susan,
I feel for you. I really do. I was once so tied up in knots from reading different people's opinions on the cause and course of cure, I didn't think I would ever get well. After fully recovering, I had a look back and a good laugh at it all, but it sure wasn't easy, nor was it direct. Even after I'd chosen what became my final recovery path, stuck to it like glue, and even started feeling better for a few days, I'd wake up and feel terrible again, my mind filled with equal parts doom and alarm.
There is one common thread among those who've beaten this condition, and it isn't reading someone's book. It is this. They stopped reacting emotionally at all to their symptoms . That is the cause of your continued suffering. It is the current flow of emotional toxins that flow through your body that cause you to feel bad, and I'll repeat it for you if it will help. If you doubt this, go to the success stories part of the forum and read through them, then weed out the ones who've come back with a relapse and some other symptom. The symptom is stress-related and so is the reaction, which is the cycle. Stop the cycle today. No more emotional reactions, no more worry about why you still have symptoms. No more doubt and bewilderment about what is happening.
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Failures do what is tension relieving, while winners do what is goal achieving."
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susan828
USA
291 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2012 : 19:29:17
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Thanks, Hillbilly, but how do you stop the fear? It's so ingrained in me. I focus on a body part and imagine it's not well. I feel a twinge and I think I have a bladder infection and I go testing my urine. Hate to be so graphic but this is true. I want to know WHY I am doing this to myself. I have never met people I can discuss this with who understand so I am talking freely. I get a twinge of pain in my tooth and run to the dentist thinking I have a dying nerve.
Is this to distract me, as Sarno and Steve say? Fine..so then what, if I don't figure out distracting me from what, how will I ever get better? I have such a long history of this...as a child, I would focus on my breathing when I was anxious and think I was going to die, I had panic attacks at age 10. I documented this in a diary which I have examined endlessly to see what was going on when I said "I want to die" at age 10, because I didn't understand anything. I had all kinds of medical complaints even then, stomach aches, stiff neck and more. For the life of me, I don't know what caused me to take these symptoms on. The diary doesn't give me a clue.
I carried a medical book with me when we went away to the country in the summer. I packed it. I needed it as reassurance. So yes, this is TMS all the way. Do I have to figure out why? I just don't know how to not attach fear to the twinges of pain I get. Every twinge is appendicitis, or a heart attack, and there I am with a thermometer, stethoscope and blood pressure machine, feeling really crazy and in the depths of panic and despair. After it passes, I realize how nuts this is and am so, so down on myself for being this hypochondriacal. Why do I have a need to do this? I want to be normal, I can't like this anymore. I just don't understand how to go about it. |
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 05/15/2012 : 20:13:47
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Susan, I never journaled or talked to anyone about my TMS. If you read my story you know that I had many problems, some severe. I also never dug back into my childhood to heal. I wrote down every way I healed, and also every way other people who spoke to me had healed, and ways that Dr. Sopher told me people had healed. I threw the kitchen sink at you and it has confused you. I did it because so many people kept saying that Dr. Sarno was right, they believed him, but they felt he left them hanging as of what to do next. So I went the other way and showed many ways, and exactly "what to understand." The title of 14.
Pennebaker was the one who said to look at the current anger and not the past. But the current anger is only triggering the past anger, which is evident in that you had stomach problems as a child. That's where it began but you can't change the past, so change how you react to life now.
Take a deep breath and relax. It's when you stop trying to heal that you will heal. The adding of more and more information beyond what you need is also TMSing because it is a means of avoiding anxiety.
To put it simply you are highly sensitive, and you react to external stimuli, or more precisely overreact, like with allergies. I think that's all that most people need to know, "hey I react to things strongly and my body pays a price." You don't have to understand what has caused you to overreact although it happened in childhood when you first learned how to cope. You got through a very tense situation by turning inward and not expressing yourself, and you were conditioned to doing that for life. You hold your anxiety in your body because you never learned how to express anger.
All you really need is to learn to not see doom and gloom with every new symptom. But we have been taught to fear every one of them. "Go see your doctor at the very first sign!"
It's not easy but you can heal. If my tooth pain ever began again I would say, "wow, I'm really pissed at something," and then I would go golfing or whatever I was going to do that day, without worries. I learned that I reacted a certain way and I stopped reacting that way. Was it easy? You read my story, it was very tough. But the brain gradually learns to stop that fear mongering.
When we don't get what we want, or don't like what we see, or can't express our fear and anxiety our bodies try to set upon the flesh. For some reason when we experience anxiety our mind's eye turns toward our bodies, and TMS grabs hold. Don't let it.
Only you can stop the fear and obsession because you own your life. But you can see from all those who healed that it is possible.
Do I still fear? Of course, but not from the little daily battles, only the bigger problems.
Great question, I'm sorry you are confused but that is a trait of the divided mind. I personally believe that "life purpose" is the key to healing. Did you read my story of Marcellous Hurte? When you find deep purpose, your mind's eye then turns to that purpose instead of to your body. You replace one obsession with another because you can't change your personality, but you can alter how you react.
At some point you just say, "I'm done worrying," and your energy levels skyrocket. It takes courage but you can do it. No one I've ever worked with thought they would heal, but they all did, those who kept trying.
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balto
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Posted - 05/15/2012 : 20:14:31
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Originally posted by Hillbilly
They stopped reacting emotionally at all to their symptoms . That is the cause of your continued suffering. It is the current flow of emotional toxins that flow through your body that cause you to feel bad
That is exactly how I cured myself from tms/anxiety.
Let's strike the following emotions from your mind: Fear of your symptoms. Worry about your health. Affraid something worse is going to come. Feel sorry for yourself... add as many negative emotions as you feel them to this list. Strike them out and going with your life. Focus on having fun, relax, and constructive life. The pain will cease.
If your subconcious mind is smart enough to produce pain symptoms to distract you from some nasty emotion, it should be smart enough to turn off that pain after the emotion faded away from your mind in a few days. It doesn't make sense your subconcious mind keep doing the distraction for 3, 5, 10, even 30 years does it?
What keep all those pain/anxiety symptoms alive all these years is how you responded to it. You feared it, you worried about what it would do to your body. Your mind is totally consumed by the symptoms. You think about the symptoms days and night, even while you're sleeping. You are always stressed out about your health and what do you think stress would do to you? Over the long haul, excess release of potent stress-fighting factors like the adrenal-gland hormones cortisol and epinephrine (adrenaline) can suppress the immune system, cause ulcers, produce muscle atrophy, elevate blood sugar, place excessive demands on the heart, and eventually lead to the death of certain brain cells, making all kind of changes in your body, and produce what we here call tms/anxiety (or mind body syndromes).
So try to stop react emotionally to your pain. Focus your thought on anything but your pain. Don't fear it, don't worry, don't be affraid, just accept that it is there and it will be gone in time.
Hope you will get better soon. |
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art
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Posted - 05/16/2012 : 06:56:34
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Susan,
Do or think anything you want as long as it helps curtail the fear and worry that perpetuate your symptoms. There are no "correct" thoughts to have, and no one size for all formula on what we should do.
Journal, don't journal....doesn't matter which. Although I'd recommend not as I think it's unnecessary and for some leads to increased stress (Oh God, am I doing it right? :-)
Painful emotions are the fertile soil without which TMS symptoms quickly wilt and die. |
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drh7900
USA
194 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2012 : 09:14:10
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I think there's lots of good advice here.
So far I have been doing some journaling, but for me...I do it because it helps guide me through my own thoughts and emotions. Sometimes it's journaling that does that for me...other times some kind of meditation helps me do it...at least I'd call it meditation...I've never really "meditated" before starting my TMS journey.
What seems to me to be the important thing is to learn to accept, face, and embrace your emotions. While I'm very new to all this...that seems to be my approach and, for me, it seems to help so far. I might have an internal (or even out loud) conversation with myself that goes something like this:
"Oh, I'm feeling [symptom]. Why is that? What are you [addressing my brain] trying to distract me from? Is it [emotion]? It's ok to be [emotion]...what am I [emotion] about? Is it [some example of something that could cause that emotion]? Ok, so I'm [emotion] about that. That's ok. Now I can move on and you [brain] don't have to distract me."
In your case...if you're facing fear...it might go something like "I'm feeling fear. Why is that? What am I afraid to acknowledge? What am I afraid to do? WHY am I afraid of that? Is it [some experience had a bad result]? It's ok to be afraid. Now I can move on because my pain can't distract me from my fear and I can and will face my fear."
I'd say that if the pain changes at all, you're making progress. I notice changes in my symptoms...even if they're not the changes I want, I recognize that they are changing and that's proof enough that the cause is psychological. It builds confidence for me.
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Jerseygal
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Posted - 05/16/2012 : 13:58:40
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SteveO,
In your post you said :
"It's when you stop trying to heal that you will heal"
And at the end of the post you said :
"No one I've ever worked with thought they would heal, but they all did, those who kept trying."
So should we try to heal or not?
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SteveO
USA
272 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2012 : 17:19:23
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Good question Jersey,
Those 2 statements you pulled are from 2 different ends of the post, but it shows you're paying attention, I like that. Someone is reading and wants to heal.
Healing requires, from the good doctor's book, HBP: his 2 pillars of healing:
1) Acquiring the knowledge
2) Acting on that knowledge
So you have to acquire enough knowledge to your heart's content. That is enough knowledge so that you at least "get it" at the intellectual level (which isn't enough for healing). The conscious/intellectual brain only accounts for approx. 5% of what we are aware of. But it's the unconscious brain/body that needs to "get it." It's only within the unc. that we heal. So we pour new information in through this conscious brain (the prefrontal cortex--our "superego brain") that trickles slowly into the older brain, the amygdala, where healing begins. This is the acquisition portion of healing.
But--there comes a time where I noticed that people were gathering information, much longer than they needed to, as a means of putting off the work that needed to be done. They were stuck on the first pillar. I realized that the gathering of information, in itself was a form of TMSing because now the sufferer is not only focused on his body but is now focused on the gathering--putting of the "acting" on the information portion requred to heal.
One ex. would be people coming to this site night after night reading and reading and reading. That's all ok up until a certain time when it becomes procrastination, for a very specific reason. On my page 192 I listed the TMSing I had noticed, and the 11th bullet down is "the need for more and more information."
And most TMSers over the past decade have admitted to me they are procrastinaters. But this is only part of what I mean by stopping trying to heal. Another part, and more important, is the monitoring of progress. This is what I meant by "only when they stop trying to heal." I meant they monitor each waking second of the day, hoping for that one look and all is well on the pain-front. This stops the healing process. Once people stop trying, (or "looking" may have been a better choice of words), they suddenly heal. It is part of the observer effect where the consciousness changes because it knows it is being observed, and also that the observer's own presence alters the goal.
But I prefer to still call it "trying too hard to heal" because of this "monitoring" which inhibits healing because it's body-focused. Right back to the good doctor's "..as long as he is preoccupied in any way..yadda yadda yada..his pain will continue."
So trying too hard is monitoring. This is why purpose is a major factor in healing. Purpose, life's love-energy-focused on a goal dilutes the intense focus the brain has on the body. The obsession is now shifted from body to goal. It's also the main reason for the timing of TMS. TMS most often occurs post-something, after goal achievement, retirement, after the funeral, after the divorce, after service to country, etc. I called this Phase-4 TMS--beyond the battlefield. Walter Cannon's work showed that the wounded soldier didn't feel much pain until he got out of the tense situation and was removed from the battlefield. His focus now shifts from his goal (survival) to his body. The attention particles have shifted because the brain need a focus. Survival is first on the list of focus,after that often comes depression and fatigue as the external stimulus is suddenly removed, and the brain shifts to body again.
The focus goes from goal to body, from survival to wound.
To finish JerseyGal, what I meant by "those who kept trying" regarding TMS was, those who didn't give up on TMS. Some superficially try TMS healing, and if it doesn't work in a few hours or days they go back to therapy, or their new leg brace or surgery. So they didn't keep trying longer; and others need to stop trying/gathering/monitoring to heal.
Does that clear it up? I hope so, my fingers are tired. This is a problem with coming into a complex scenario and writing a quick paragraph on how to heal life's problems, and also why my book is almost 377 pages. To clear some things up it takes more detailed explanation. But in the details you can lose some people, as Susan828 has relayed. It is the forest for the trees aphorism. The key to life is balance--knowing when is enough, and when to push. TMSers never know if enough is enough and the byproduct is perfectionism.
Susan if you're still struggling you can talk to me if you need to. I sometimes talk on the phone to people who I think may benefit from a heart to heart.
Also remember, not everyone is here to heal.
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susan828
USA
291 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2012 : 20:34:44
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Wow...thank you so much for that offer, Steve. I am going to re-read your book because at times I lost concentration. I'll reread Sarno...not sure which one is most helpful but I will take the time to do this. I'm so appreciative that you are actually on this board. Thanks to everyone who responded to my post and my other posts along the way.
Steve, if you are reading this, I would like your opinion of Schubiner's book which I have but fell by the wayside. No excuse, just got lazy about it and am resuming it now. He says the same thing about the amygdala but I really wonder how this process can actually take place...it seems so scientific and makes me wonder if everyone's brain can actually have this part take over. It just seems like it would take a long time, almost like brainwashing.
To anyone reading this, did you ever have 2 or 3 symptoms at once and just feel so exasperated and "crazy"? I have a close friend but she has to be tired of listening to my symptoms but there are times I have to talk because I feel like I don't want to be alive anymore. I feel so alone, like nobody would understand he torment of a mind I can't get a grip on. I feel like I am the captain of my own ship, nobody else controls my mind...but I feel like such a loser for not being able to do so.
I read that we shouldn't talk about our symptoms to others, that is just prolongs them so I need to stop. I just want to ask one more thing. I went to a show to see a friend sing. It was lovely, I was at a table with nice people that I know and 1 hour into the show, my teeth started hurting. They went to a restaurant afterwards and wanted me to come. I said I was tired because I couldn't tell them the truth. I walked home crying and talking to myself, saying why, why...why is it that every time I go out, "it" comes along to ruin my night. "It" being one symptom or another. I sabotage my evening, time after time. Can someone tell me if this happens to them? Why I won't let myself "live" and have fun? I was so angry at myself, just kept saying "What's wrong with me, why can't I control my own mind?"
And this is what I go through to some degree every day. I have my wonderful moods, people think I am so cheerful because I am very friendly and outgoing but inside this is killing me. |
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Bugbear
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/17/2012 : 00:44:19
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Hi Susan,
Had to respond to this...you seem to illustrate clearly SteveO's two points in this last post, trying too hard and not trying enough. So you have read some books. Excellent! You doubt the structural explanation otherwise you wouldn't bother to buy the books, read the books and re-read the books. But I sense that you feel you are missing something, that you are not paying enough attention and must try harder by cramming that information in even more. Repetition is good because this is one of the things that helps to re-wire your brain. I used to get annoyed at self-help books that kept repeating the same phrase over and over again, e.g. "feel the fear and do it anyway." I noticed even Dr Sarno repeats a lot, 'this is TMS, that is TMS.' I now get why. However once you start getting anxious or obsessing over it all, your efforts become counter productive. You are trying too hard.
At the end of your post you tell us about an event where you were out with friends enjoying yourself. Then you tensed up. You thought about your teeth and lo and behold the pain arrived. It was so subtle, you didn't see it creep up on you. You felt pain and you fled. I'm sure we have all been there and I personally can relate to this experience. I have social anxiety to some degree. But what happened in the end was you didn't try hard enough.
There comes a point when we have to try harder, to say, "Stuff the pain! I'm having a good time, want to continue this lovely evening and I'm going out with my friends to dinner!" By doing this you are sending a stern message back to your brain that you are in charge. By resuming activities and doing things that you enjoy you will be gradually shifting the focus away from your physical symptoms. You can even ask yourself, "hmmm, what I am really feeling about this situation? What emotions is it stirring up for me?" Here you would have the act of 'thinking psychologically'. This is where you can effectively focus your efforts.
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Cath
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Posted - 05/17/2012 : 03:51:13
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| Wow! This is a great post - bells are ringing and lights are going on overywhere for me, so thank you Susan828, because I have been struggling for the last 9 months with the same problem. I totally understand the TMS concept, but have felt frustrated because I don't know what I've been doing wrong. And thank you SteveO for putting into words exactly what I have been doing. Procrastinating - which is what I do all the time - constantly cleaning the house instead of going out for a run; reading the posts on this forum instead of writing up my family history; reading more books about TMS instead of drawing; (these are all things I have loved doing in the past, but I am afraid to do because I have conditioned myself into thinking that they make my pain worse). I am still avoiding hard chairs and am afraid to come off my medication. These are all things I know are holding me back from making a recovery, because if there is nothing physically wrong with me, then I need to start overcoming the fear by "just doing it". But I'm still procrastinating, and it's fear and my conditioned responses that are holding me back. Think it's time to take the "Bull by the Horns" - I'll just go put my running shoes on. I know there's still a lot of hard work ahead, but at least my path is a little clearer now. |
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 05/17/2012 : 14:20:44
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Cath, make sure that the bells and lights aren't your smoke alarm going off.
Hard seats don't cause pain, neither does running, only errant beliefs do. As you already know you are putting off the needed work to heal. That's why I quoted Plato in The Republic, "The beginning is the most important part of the work." And of course Nike's, "Just Do It!"
The procrastination is common and it's clear why it exists. If the TMS is present as a means to avoid painful emotions, then why would we want to heal? If we can't face those emotions then there is no impetus to get better because we may just have to face the unwanted. So procrastination is also TMSing.
So it's common. Remember when I said I opened my front door and saw a new world? Look outside and see a welcoming world awaiting you, as opposed to a tumultuous one. You have chosen to see the world a certain way. The next time you look outside see a life that you want for yourself, and know it it possible. Take the world by the horns and make the life you want.
The beginning is the most difficult part. Just do it.
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Cath
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Posted - 05/18/2012 : 05:09:00
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Thank you SteveO - and by the way, reading your book has helped me in so many ways to get to know the real me. You would think that by the time you reach 52 years of age, you would pretty much know your own mind, but it's surprising how much you are hiding from yourself. One of my many TMS symptoms is Tinnitus, which I think you mention in your book as a quote from Louise Hay's "You Can Heal Your Life", as a sign of refusal to listen to your inner voice.
I did put on my running shoes yesterday, and went out for a short run. It felt great while I was out there - my lungs were rejoicing because I haven't been to the bottom of them for quite a while, and they were enjoying a good old stretch. I went through the park and had to stop for a while to admire some fluffy yellow goslings by the lake. You know, I think I did get an insight into a world that I wanted back again, where I could happlly run without fear of pain. Running was so much a part of my life for many years, and I really miss it. Of course, I did have a bit of a fall-out later on in the day, when my euphoria had worn off, but I kept telling myself that it was to be expected that my mind would put up a bit of a fight. I feel more confident now that I can beat this pain, and I will keep visualising myself running freely and happily again, however long it takes. |
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 05/21/2012 : 22:44:42
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Susan, I haven't read Dr. Schubiner's work due to time constraints. I haven't had time yet to pay attention to TMS material that Dr. Sarno won't endorse. But I also can't give an opinion because I haven't seen it. I'm too submerged in defending my own TMS book against people who can't understand it; and I'm sure he has his own problems doing the same. From what I now Dr. Schubiner has concluded that mindfulness is the answer, and I agree with that 100%.
The danger of the future of TMS is in dividing the message and getting conquered by the collective mind. Make no mistake, the people who are here at this site are extraordinary. They are smart enough to think outside the box, and intuitive enough to know that they have to do that... to become whole again. Healing is not simply about getting rid of pain. Good health is not just the absence of pain or disease. It is much more.
TMS healing is an esoteric process.
Susan don't get too caught up in understanding the amygdala and how the brain processes information. You don't need that to heal. I didn't know about that when I healed. I only researched it by communicating with Robert Sapolsky because so many people had asked me what was occuring in "knowledge therapy." It's too arcane and technical to focus on.
You can look at TMS-healing as brainwashing, I suppose, but that is the pejorative. Think of it as becoming what you know is already true--the reconciling of your divided mind.
Cath. You took me back in my mind to the day I first challenged my TMS and began to heal. I remember my lungs rejoicing, the feeling of wholeness again where pain had divided me and I began to change for the better.
Never let your doctor or your own mind limit you, and the power you already possess. I have seen some wonderful things. Evy McDonald and Shin Ichiro come to mind. But I've personally seen hundreds of people heal from severe symptoms from the good doctor's work and a little info-nudging.
Also remember that once you challenge your life that your brain will revolt, so don't lose faith when smooth sailing suddenly halts and the ship hits the span. This is the reunification process. There will be setbacks, as Bruce Lipton stated.
I've received so many emails asking for an audio book that I just started on one. I needed to take my own advice. It was only when I heard Dr. Sarno's voice that I began to heal deeper; it was the biggest leap forward for me because of the manner in which I learn. I worked with a few professional musicians this month on their pain and they also catapulted forward when they heard the good doctor's voice. They see the world through their ears. Many of us do. Others can read, and learn, and love to read and learn, so they heal through the lenses of text...imagining symbols and images, and healing. To each his own. We need that "piece of information" that pulls us toward the truth. What works for one does not work for another or we could wave the magic wand over everyone to heal. It doesn't work that way.
Healing normally involves the continued process of individuation.
Steve
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Cath
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Posted - 05/22/2012 : 08:18:20
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| SteveO. - great news about your decision on the audio tape. Know what you mean about the different means by which we as individuals learn. Not sure which category I fit into to, but Simon and Garfunkel have definitely played a big part in my healing so far. Don't know what I'd have done some days without their soothing harmonies and melodies for comfort.:) |
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jitterygal
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Posted - 05/23/2012 : 15:51:07
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| Cath, congrats on going out for a run!!! Running was a huge part of my life before my pain started out of the blue one day, 10 months ago. I was foolishly told to stop all exercise. It was devastating to me. It's been only about 6 weeks since I read Dr. Sarno's book, and now I am up to running 6.6 miles. Shooting for 7 this weekend. Still have a little pain, but it is lessening more and more...Steve O, your book is brilliantly written, as I have previously stated. I am glad to hear you are doing the Audio version as well. |
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Scottydog
United Kingdom
330 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2012 : 08:46:11
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I was at a table with nice people that I know and 1 hour into the show, my teeth started hurting
I wanted to say that I discovered that when some apparently random health pain crops up, with me it was sometimes a slight dizzy spell or suddenly noticing tinnitus, if you carefully and immediately run through what was going on in your mind you will find that there was a fleeting thought that caused the problem. For example, you were sitting at the table with friends, perhaps someone mentioned going to the restaurant, your mind might have fleetingly said 'I hope they are going to include me in this' due to worries you have about being left out of things, and hey presto there is a fleeting sense of anxiety, then your teeth start to ache to distract your from this.
I'm not saying that you have issues with being included, it was just made up as an example. So 'random' health problems for me weren't, and knowing this made me feel less of a helpless victim.
I don't know if other TMSers came to the same conclusion. |
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Still not "getting it" & Steve's book
