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Busted

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Posted - 04/26/2012 :  17:38:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am a TMS survivor, having rid myself of back pain a few years ago. So I know all about symptom imperative, and that TMS moves around when it thinks you are starting to catch on to it's tricks. But I now have TMS in two places at once. I've had it in my foot for a year, which has now gotten to the point of crippling pain. And yesterday my back pain came back (which I am VERY upset about because I swore I would never let TMS get to my back again!) It did NOT leave my foot though, it's now in my foot AND my back.

Has anyone else had TMS in two completely different places at once? Does that mean my unconscious rage is just completely sky high and out of control?? I've been working really hard at reading the books, writing, thinking psychologically, but my symptoms are just getting worse and worse instead of better. I'm really starting to feel defeated :(

Lisa

Goodney

USA
76 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2012 :  20:24:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Busted, I conquered my TMS back pain years ago. However, over the past three years I have been dealing with continual neck pain. Last Saturday I was bending forward and got the most painful sciatica in my left butt cheek and down my left leg. Now I am convinced I have TMS in both places. Very frustrating!
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Busted

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Posted - 04/26/2012 :  20:36:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Goodney, well at least now I know it's not just me that has it in two places at once. Sorry for your pain though. It's frustrating as hell, knowing that I beat it once, but now can't see to get rid of it. I don't really understand how that's possible. I mean, the cure for this is knowledge, and I've read the books 100 times already, I always think psychologically, and I KNOW there is nothing wrong with my foot and back and that I have TMS. It's "trick" is no longer working. So why won't it go the hell away?

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Goodney

USA
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Posted - 04/27/2012 :  05:41:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Busted:
I totally share your frustration. I also have studied Dr. Sarno's books for years. I know intellectually that this is all TMS. I know it's related to the terrible stress I have been under for years. I have used this knowledge of TMS in the past to eliminate pain that had plagued me for years. And yet I cannot shake this neck pain and headaches, and now I have the worst sciatica I have ever experienced. How can that be? Perhaps others here can help.
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balto

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Posted - 04/27/2012 :  07:30:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Busted

It's "trick" is no longer working. So why won't it go the hell away?



I think in your case the "trick" is working perfectly according to Sarno's theory of "distraction".

All your attention is on your pain symptoms. The symptom is working exactly as your brain tell it to, right? You can only be "cure" when you can completely "NOT" focus on your pain symptoms, and the only way to do it is to not FEAR it. You only pay attention to it because you fear it. Loose your fear, get rid of your fear and you will get rid of your pain.

Everything any tms/anxiety experts tell you to do, like journaling, meditating, continue to be physically active, praying, accepting ..., all have the same goal. And that goal is to loose your fear of the symptoms. They were all design to help you to prove to yourself that the pain is nothing to be fear.

When you don't fear it, when you no longer pay any attention to it, it will be gone in a couple weeks.
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Busted

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Posted - 04/27/2012 :  07:43:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Balto,

I wish that were true, but I've had this foot pain for a year now, and I spent the first 10 months totally ignoring it knowing it was just TMS. But instead of going away, it got worse, to the point of crippling pain where I couldn't ignore it anymore.
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balto

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Posted - 04/27/2012 :  07:59:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Many have suffer from tms pain for 10, 20, some even 30 years or more, so you're not alone.

Don't try to ignore it, how can you? it is there and it hurt like hell.

Do try to not fear it. Do everything you can to not fear it. Stop all those "what if?", "oh my Gosh, I'm going to..."
The fear of what the pain may lead to is what you want to stop.

Some people can just completely stop their by just make up their mind not to fear anymore. Other may need some help convincing your brain that there is nothing there to be fearful of. They will do meditation, they exercise, they keep active, they socialize, they force themself go out of their comfort zone, they pray.... and one day it will click: hey, there is nothing there to worry about. I'm still alive. I'm not paralyze yet. I'm not dying... and they loose their fear and they are "cure".

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Bugbear

United Kingdom
152 Posts

Posted - 04/27/2012 :  08:18:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Busted,

Below is a page from the TMS wiki. The first part of the page contains an interesting blog on relapse. Following this is one of Schubiner's blog posts, Understanding and Overcoming Fear. It will expand on what Balto has told you.


http://www.tmswiki.org/ppd/Relapser%27s_curse_-_there_is_hope,_by_Skizzik
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Busted

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Posted - 04/27/2012 :  08:52:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks BugBear!
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