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tennis tom
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 Posted - 04/12/2012 : 10:16:41
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I've had Steven Ray Ozanich's great new tome on TMS for a few weeks now. And, as a true TMS procrastinator/perfectionist, I have not "officially" begun reading it--I've been waiting for all the planets to line up right first. I have been diving into it randomly, like it was a bountiful buffet and planning my strategy of attack so I have room for all the desserts at the end. Wherever I sneak a peek, there's a great nugget of TMS wisdom. He has elucidated many aspects of TMS that I had not been able to understand from reading other TMS literature.
For example:
"...we now understand that the demands of trying to maintain a false image of self in order to be accepted by, connect with, or control others, generates tremendous internal strife that is buried or repressed as rage--but is completely unfelt. It is this internalized energy that causes pain and a vast array of other symptoms, for a very specific purpose."
From page 2, "THE GREAT PAIN DECEPTION", by Steven Ray Ozanich |
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Wavy Soul
USA
779 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2012 : 13:24:16
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it is truly an encyclopedia and I have now read the whole thing and have been chatting with Steve by email. Great guy.
One thing I love is how much research he has done - it's a 10-year labor of love.
For example, I had never heard of this guy "Groddeck" - one of those early psychoanalysts, associate of Freud, but who actually believed that all illness was created by the psyche. in particular the It (as he called the Id) - which is the same as what Sarno is saying with the subconscious ego or whatever. This quote from Groddeck has been great "knowledge therapy" for me:
"Man creates his own illnesses for a definite purpose, using the outer world merely as an instrument, finding there an inexhaustible supply of material which he can use for this purpose, today a piece of orange peel, tomorrow the spirochete of syphilis (read "Lymes" if we bring this up to date - Wavy's note!), the day after, a draft of cold air, or anything else that will help him pile up his woes. And always to gain pleasure, no matter how unlikely that may seem, for every human being experiences something of pleasure in suffering, every human being has the feeling of guilt and tries to get rid of it by self-punishment."
Georg Groddeck MD, The Book of It.
Well, you can't say it more clearly than that! Steve goes on to clarify it thus:
"Here is where Groddeck and Sarno collide in succes, because Groddeck felt that healing came through understanding."
Now, discuss, class!
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
Edited by - Wavy Soul on 04/12/2012 13:24:43 |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2012 : 09:32:57
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Originally posted by Wavy Soul
...in particular the It (as he called the Id) - which is the same as what Sarno is saying with the subconscious ego or whatever.
"...every human being has the feeling of guilt and tries to get rid of it by self-punishment."
Georg Groddeck MD, The Book of It.
So that's where the expression the "IT girl" (Clara Bow) came from and the It's-It ice cream sandwich (1928). They are all contemporaneous to the roaring 20's when Dr. Goddreck published his "IT Book" in 1923 influencing Freud on psychosomatic medicine.
Dr. Sarno differs from Goddreck and Freud who thought the pain was a self-punishment versus Dr. Sarno who sees TMS pain as a PROTECTOR from greater emotional pain. |
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Wavy Soul
USA
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 09:37:22
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Yes, this is the meat of Sarno for me. I knew about the psychosomatic model for decades, but it was the distraction/protection idea that really changed everything for me and got me into TMS as a path to healing.
I would agree with people here who say its both/and, i.e. BOTH distraction AND a sort of expression of subconscious emotion, but for me, distraction rules as an explanation.
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2012 : 10:13:05
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From page 1, "THE GREAT PAIN DECEPTION" by Steven Ray Ozanich:
"TMS is the cause of the current pandemic of back pain, neck pain, shoulder pain, migraine, hip pain, wrist and hand pain, carpal tunnel pain, mouth and jaw pain, foot pain, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, so-called repetitive-stress "injuries," GERD and other stomach disorders, skin disorders, allergies, many eye problems, ulcerative colitis--and an infinite variety of other pain equivalents. TMS is also the major cause of non-physical phenomena such as anxiety, addictions, and depression. The roots of our health problems are most often planted in childhood, through early separation anxiety--tension from trauma causing a lack of connection or attunement--forming a specific personality that is more conducive to these disorders."
Did SteveO leave anything out from that list of ailments? |
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kstarnes
USA
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 13:21:34
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Here's one that really jumped out to me:
"Worrying about health destroys health because the focus remains on health. If we live only for today, our worries simply go away (p. 251)."
I have been focusing on fighting TMS so much that I have forgotten about the fun things in my life. Maybe that is what it means when Dr. Sarno says to forget about it and it will go away?
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katemur60
USA
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 17:45:13
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| I saw the posts about the book by Steve O on this site so I've been reading it.( The Great Pain Deception.) I can hardly put it down. I Saw myself on so many pages. Symptoms I always had, but thought I had to be the only one. It's a place like this forum that enables us to get help to heal. Testimonies like Steve's about the "truth" of TMS are such a help. I have known I had TMS for a year. But it's only the last month or so that I've been fighting back.KNOWING ........a different definition. REALLY KNOWING is different. Thanks for this place to go. No one should be in pain. |
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Uma
USA
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 00:42:51
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| Thank you for posting that first quote, it really describes things so well. I am getting that book. |
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jitterygal
18 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2012 : 11:12:33
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| I just ordered it from Amazon. Looking forward to reading it. |
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wrldtrv
666 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2012 : 12:41:19
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| SteveO is a great guy. We've exchanged several emails over the past several weeks and he goes out of his way to provide very detailed info and input. I too couldn't put the book down the first time and it is just as good the 2nd reading. |
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Jerseygal
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 13:36:12
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| I have just ordered it from Amazon |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2012 : 21:48:17
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From page 4, "THE GREAT PAIN DECEPTION", by Steven Ray Ozanich:
"...Dr. Sarno has proven through decades of clinical work that when this repressed rage-tension reaches a certain level, the autonomic nervous system kicks in and produces physiologic alterations--various physical symptoms including pain--in the body. Simply put, when anger from various sources reaches a certain threshold, and deeply repressed emotions are forced to consciousness, the autonomic system creates a symptom. The energy from the conflict expresses itself through the body. Regarding pain, the cause is reduced bloodflow. In a fraction of a second you feel the pain of the emotions that you could never allow to surface--as the pain distracts your mind's eye from unwanted emotions." |
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Goodney
USA
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Posted - 04/17/2012 : 07:56:21
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| Sounds fascinating. I just ordered from Amazon. |
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SteveO
USA
272 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2012 : 16:01:49
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That's right Katmur, there's a time when you just "know" you have tms and it's over. Doubt is the perpetual instigator. Full belief is the most important factor in healing, not thinking positive which does little if anything.
The debate over whether unpleasant symptoms are self-punishment or a protective mechanism can never be answered. I know without doubt that mine was self-punishment as Groddeck and Freud stated. The spanking down of darker images surfacing. Or as Groddeck stated, "it(pain and illnes) had to punish a sin against a commandment." You can look at the pain or symptom as a jail-cell. It serves to protect and to punish.
Most of the people I worked with also felt they were punishing themselves. But there were also a rare few who felt that there was no anger involved but I know without doubt that it was pure rage. The problem is that since they can't feel their anger they think it doesn't exist. And most of them had severe tempers because they were nice people--the huge bomb at the end of a very long fuse. As Dr. Sarno stated, "the anger causing your tms you will never feel...and any anger that you feel is not part of tms."
Groddeck was the most interesting person I researched. He was pure genius but also lent himself to be way out there on the edge like Freud. He never cared about his name in posterity he just healed people by the masses, mainly the chronically ill. But he first gave up his medical training (most of it), and resorted to using analytical therapy and massage. He felt psychotherapy could work in every single case.
Mindfulness is the key to healing. To understand that there is no happiness except in the moment, living for right now and stopping the planning and anticipation. Dr. Sarno made a brilliant move when he placed Horney's "tyranny of the should" in his first book. That connected deeply with me. Those cursed must do's and should have's in life.
I finished my last radio interview out of Los Angeles, now to the local campaign to spread the tms-gospel. I need to get with Dr. Z soon and also speak to a couple people here by phone. I haven't forgotten you, just very busy.
Healing is possible. People just doubt themselves, having been taught to do so. That's why Dr. Sopher wrote in my Foreword that the "medical establishment" gets some of the blame for perpetuating symptoms. Once you've been tested for anything more serious, then forget about the results if they reveal normal wear and tear.
The journey can be easy or bitterly hard, depending on how unwilling the person is to let go of past grievances and the deeper the need for the symptom.
Happiness first,
SteveO
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GMack
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2012 : 17:21:13
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| Steve O. thank you so much for telling your story. I'm reading it now and feeling reassured that I'm not broken. I've wondered at times if maybe I was one of those whose "issues" are too deep for the knowledge cure alone. Your story reminded me that's just another TMS seed of doubt that is keeping me in pain. Great book! |
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2012 : 22:37:29
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GMack-daddy, thanks for the kind words. You hit on it, the reason I spent years writing my own trials down was to show others that they could do it too. When I first read "the little book" I felt I would be the exception to healing. And I struggled greatly from this misconception. Everyone here can heal if they just have some faith in the power they already possess. That's why I began the first page of my book with Lipton's quote. We are far more powerful than we can understand.
Dig up those seeds of doubt and replant them wih new peptide chains. The most common feedback I'm receiving from professionals about my book is that it is helping their clients realize that they can heal too, and that it isn't always easy. Unearthing your life can be tedious but it's well worth the effort. Don't stray too far from Dr. Sarno's message and healing can occur. A huge problem is generated when people begin to parse it out and find "problems" with what he discovered. His message works, keep it simple and have confidence.
Dr. Sopher taught me early on that it isn't just "simple knowledge" that heals people. It is embracing the concept fully, and then getting to work on it. Repetition, thinking, moving, all these things in various combinatons lead to eventual healing. And never doubt that anger is at the root of all these physical problems. Tms is an energy imbalance. The successes are a result of understanding this, the marginalization will result in a lack of healing through increased doubt. Keep it simple--no one here is broken--just confused. |
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racingspoon
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/20/2012 : 08:32:30
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"...you are more than your pain, more than your body. When you walk or run or go anywhere...simply take your body with you"
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 04/20/2012 : 21:03:57
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I liked this one Dr. Sopher sent me:
"The pain clinics are a part of the problem. They perpetuate the belief in infirmity. Most of the patients I see who have been to pain clinics are forever lost. They have been so completely conditioned to believe they have a physical/structural problem that they cannot open their minds." — Marc Sopher, MD, personal correspondence
People are so brainwashed into believing they have a problem that they keep themselves in pain forever, to prove their doctor correct. They have sold out their health to someone they trusted. Dr. Sopher agreed with me that people really-truly want to believe their doctor is correct, and so they hold to his/her words--to their own demise.
Every error is brought about by the passing on and acceptance of false information. But the problem is that true information gets mixed in, thus the confusion; dividing the mind.
SteveO |
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