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tennis tom
USA
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 Posted - 03/06/2012 : 10:06:48
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| Yah, Andy Murray's a real TMS head-case, he's constantly stretching or massaging some body part as if he were injured then goes on to play great. Drives his opponent's crazy thinking he's got a real injury when he's TMS'ing--taking a page out of the old Johnny Mac play book--distract your opponent's and ruin their rhythm. |
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andy64tms
USA
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 17:43:13
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I am very sorry to learn that SteveO has left.
In some ways he is more qualified to speak here because I believe he has first hand experiences as a victim. Not only this, but he has done loads of research to back up his theories. I think everyone has an opinion and should be heard.
Unfortunately if you read the first two rules in the policy of this Forum you will possibly understand why he chose to leave.
Good luck to you Steve, and thanks for your help.
Andy |
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 18:51:06
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Originally posted by andy64tms
I am very sorry to learn that SteveO has left.
In some ways he is more qualified to speak here because I believe he has first hand experiences as a victim. Not only this, but he has done loads of research to back up his theories. I think everyone has an opinion and should be heard.
Unfortunately if you read the first two rules in the policy of this Forum you will possibly understand why he chose to leave.
Good luck to you Steve, and thanks for your help.
Andy
Good point, Andy. The #1 and #2 rules are as follows...
1. No Advertising
2. No Links to websites selling or advertising products
Anyway, it's fair to mention again that Steve chose to leave. As I understand it, he's totally welcome to stay and help people... he just chose not to.
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lynnl
USA
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 19:07:08
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Originally posted by Stryder
Wouldnt it be better for everyone if their doctor took the time to listen and get to know whats going on inside their patients, and be able to deliver a correct diagnosis?
Just my 2 cents, -Stryder
The truth is, many doctors do know that something of this nature is the main, or a major, culprit in a lot of the maladies they're faced with. But there are tremendous pressures in place that more or less force them steer a course close to the "party line." e.g. patients' expectations, liability issues, peer pressures, etc. And let's not forget the old $$$ factor.
All of the (few) doctors I've discussed it with were, on the surface at least, quite receptive to the TMS concept. However, I doubt that any of them substantially altered their approach with patients they subsequently saw.
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Darko
Australia
387 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 21:27:06
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Lynnl,
I tend to agree with your statement.....medicine is simply worth far too much money and keeps millions of people in a job. How do you think the world would go if we all suddenly got better?? World GDP would drop dramatically!
Its hard to get a man to understand something when his wage depends upon him NOT understanding it.
only way is to educate ourselves
This post is probably a little off topic so I better say something relevant....
Was Steve high-jacking every post OR did he just have a lot to contribute?
Was he flogging his book OR was it just easier for him to point people to a place where they could get all the info they needed?
Both answers are probably right.....but we will argue our point because we NEED to be right....which causes one great misery.
You can be right or you can be happy....not both
I guess it all comes down to "perspective", depending on which way you look at it one will cause you negativity and one won't
Not surprising that this post has attracted so many posts 
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Wavy Soul
USA
779 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2012 : 09:57:09
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HIS BOOK IS FANTASTIC!! I just lay in the bath reading the chapter on "What You Need To Know," and had more insights than I've had in a couple of years, TMS-wise.
He has done an incredible job - a kind of Magnum Opus of TMS, with a very helpful (for me) explanation of CFS. And it's all very scholarly - many scientific studies from many different sources proving the TMS theory. Yet his writing voice feels very easy to me - it's just a friend talking to me, but talking from a great certainty about what he knows - which is what I crave in this matter.
Buy it, read it.
With regard to non-advertising, although I understand the overall idea, because we don't want to be prey, it seems ridiculous to me that someone who has dedicated years of his life to writing such a helpful book would not be supported in making that his right livelihood. There was recently a TMS therapist allowed to advertise - what's the difference. If we treat people doing service work for money this way we are just buying into some kind of idea that making money is evil, which is enraging, because we all need it to survive.
I would propose that people be allowed to put links to their TMS-related services on the website. Why? Because we, the users of the Forum, would like to follow those links and be educated.
I'm a TMS service-provider, btw, and I don't care about putting my links on here (although when I finish my great book, I will probably feel differently).
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
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wrldtrv
666 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2012 : 11:36:03
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| Wavy, I tend to agree. And the more I read the book, the more I like it. I too have had many new insights as a result. At times, he drifts off into somewhat speculative territory; maybe beyond what Sarno himself would recommend, but very interesting. Yes, he seems to have paid his dues, done his research, and I would highly recommend the book. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2012 : 20:11:26
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| I am reading Steven Ray Ozanich's book now and it is an absolute must read for those who have TMS!!!!!!!!!!!! The best TMS book I have read yet and I have read almost all of them. |
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wrldtrv
666 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2012 : 12:03:16
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2012 : 19:04:31
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Hey Tom
I told you what the ultimate source said about hip pain- dr sarno. Steve o should not have had more of a confidence booster to you than the original master. Good luck on continued recovery |
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sue1012
USA
31 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2012 : 12:03:54
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I just want to add that this book has been amazing and truly resonates with me.....fills in some blanks. I also have every symptom in the book progressively over 15 years and Steve O's book is helping so much. Just my opinion, but would highly recommend.
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kstarnes
USA
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 14:31:59
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I finished his book last night (it is really detailed in his journey) and really enjoyed it. He was so insightful and explicit that I found his book an excellent guide to continue my journey of healing. He and I had much in common, but his road was definitely bumpier than mine so far. Hope he comes back to this forum.
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wrldtrv
666 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2012 : 15:27:25
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Still reading his book (among other things) and the more I read, the more I like it; in fact, I would say it is the most comprehensive, detailed, and motivating TMS book I have read. Sarno is the master, of course, but Steve O, as a lay interpreter, is excellent! Nothing like hearing from a real live sufferer who spells out how he turned his life around.
That said, there are times the author goes off into speculative, thought-provocative ground that I am not quite ready to follow. That's okay; I don't have to believe everything. For example, he might go a bit too far with things such as "the law of attraction" a New-Agey idea. Or that most cancers are at least somewhat brought on by our thinking. This, he admits, is just his own opinion.
The good thing is that you can get the value from the book without going out as far on the ledge as Ozanich. The main thing is that you buy the basic Sarno concept that many (most?) common musculoskeletal conditons are caused by the brain, not pathology, and that they can be healed by correct thinking. The same for the myriad tms equivalents.
I think the main value for me, is that here is a normal guy like any of us, who paid his tms dues, fought the good battle, won, and is here to tell us about it in great detail. No instant cure after reading a Sarno book that so many of us were disappointed did not happen to us either, but years of hard work, gradual progress, and finally some real success. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2012 : 11:08:49
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I've been corresponding with SteveO and to further clarify his leaving here's some words from him regarding it:
"I feel bad if people are arguing over my presence there, I felt it best to stop before it got out of hand--cut the losses. But it is nice of you to email me and tell me that people like my book, that makes me feel very good.
I don't understand why a TMS book can't be mentioned at a TMS site either, as you know information is everything! But I never did hammer away advertising there, I only pointed it to the ones who I felt were really hurting inside, but it caused ripples of discontent among the natives. I wouldn't know what to say if I did return there. Almost every thread I saw there I already wrote about in the book. So I would be typing pages of my own book repeatedly. Although I do understand there may be some things I can say that may help someone in need, ... Although another point of view can help for sure. I learned from every point of view I could to heal, I was a dry sponge soaking in TMS info."
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Tippy
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Posted - 03/13/2012 : 13:13:06
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I bought Steve's book and it is marvelous! One of the most comprehensive books on TMS out there and many doctors have sanctioned it. I do not think he was over the top here and for those of you who do he has helped a LOT of people. He was probably trying to generate sales HERE because we knew of him and there is a core audience. I will put in a plug for him I bought it and wrote a review. Trust me buy this book you wont be sorry. If you want more information than Sarno this is the best one to get. Reading about his lifelong battle with TMS was interesting because he had a limb that was paralyzed and I had never heard of an account of paralysis until I read his book.
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2012 : 17:35:28
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Tom,
Again, you're a bright guy and to pretend that we're not allowed to mention books around here is absurd.
FORUM POLICY TERMS OF SERVICE
1. NO ADVERTISING
2. NO LINKS TO SITES THAT ARE ADVERTISING PRODUCTS
We all mention books. This guy was hammering it to death in every single thread and post, even when he was called out for doing so.
When simply asked to tone it down by the forum moderator, he chose to bail instead of staying to help people out. Once again... what does that tell you?
I'm 100% positive that a thread would have been allowed for him to sell his book, had he simply asked the forum owners for the permission to do so.
I'm honestly glad his book is helping people. Anything that helps people is a good thing. But, this forum would be overrun with scammers, spammers and con-men in about a month if the owners didn't keep it free of blatant, high-pressure salesmen.
Again, I'm fine being in the minority here. I think the forum owners did the right think by politely asking him to refrain from the ad campaign. Too bad he had such a bizarre reaction to being asked to simply follow forum rules, and left people high and dry who apparently liked his posts.
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2012 : 18:50:21
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Hi Bryan,
I wasn't privy to the communication between Dave and SteveO, so I don't know what was said between them. It may have just been as simple as someone here emailing Dave that there was spam on the board and SteveO complied by deleting the posts deemed offensive. All I know is you and I are seeing this from different planets. I peruse the board as closely as anyone probably and I didn't see anything that I saw as spam and I've seen spam here and reported it. I saw a TMS author and expert kindly and freely giving of his time to people in pain. SteveO isn't selling a "product" it's a TMS BOOK. Monte Hueftle has been doing the same thing here for years with a link to his site and no one has objected to that. I think all of us here are intelligent enough to distinguish spammers, scammers and con-men from an author who has written a book about TMS who has TMS knowledge penicillin to share. I doubt he will recoup his costs but I hope it becomes a best seller and we get to see him spread the TMS word on Ophrah, Howard Stern, Leno and Letterman. I don't know why you are taking such offense to him, I read the same posts and didn't see what you saw, but maybe I'm not as smart as you give me credit for. I think this issue is more of style over substance. The "owners" is Dave, the "moderators" is Dave, it's not like there's some big committee out there. One of the charms of the board is that Dave is pretty much hands-off and let's us be a Rorschach of TMS thought and we self-moderate otherwise, I'd probably been kicked out of here a long time ago (self-moderation is no fun at all). |
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wrldtrv
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Posted - 03/13/2012 : 19:44:31
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I agree with Tom here. I really don't know what the big deal is. Granted, I didn't happen to read the SteveO posts because often I won't check in for a few weeks. But it seems reasonable that a TMS author who spent years researching and writing a book that he may not even break even on, would like to get the word out about the book and this forum is a logical place to do it. And yes, Monte Huelfte has done the same thing for years and nobody has complained about it.
Whatever your objection to Steve O's method of getting the word out, you should not let it stop you from buying the book. There is an abundance of insight to be gained from it. |
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2012 : 20:27:28
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Tom,
Stop trying to obfuscate this whole thing.
It's extremely simple:
The guy busted the TOP TWO rules of this forum and was politely asked to stop, as I understand it.
He refused, and bolted the board.
Enough with the rhetoric. You mention him in almost every one of your posts now. I mean... what is it exactly that you want here? HE is the one that refuses to post here... no one forced him to leave. Stop misleading people.
wrldtrv,
Steve did relentlessly push his book in threads. Is it a "big deal?"
I wouldn't think so. But, when he was simply asked to follow forum protocol that we all follow... he decided it wasn't worth it to post here. HE made the decision to leave, rather than not push his product in CAPITAL LETTERS in every post, whether asked for it or not.
It's not my forum, but I've been on and have run forums for almost 20 years and product pushers are NEVER allowed to relentlessly push their product. I've never seen it allowed. Reason being... while YOU may appreciate his point of view... you may NOT appreciate the next snake-oil salesmen that comes in.
How's this... we've had chiro's post here many times. Would you be cool if they were blasting every thread with their product links... supplements for sale... hypnosis CDs... neck contraptions... and preying on people in pain? I'm guessing not.
Agreeing with the point of view of someone who broke the rules doesn't make that person's breaking the rules O.K..
Beyond all of that, HE chose to leave... and abandon people who were apparently hanging on his word for help when he was told he couldn't sell a product.
Seems that this should be taken up with him, not the forum owners or the people posting here. |
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balto
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Posted - 03/13/2012 : 21:22:05
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Two monks were returning to the monastery in the evening. It had rained and there were puddles of water on the road sides. At one place a beautiful young woman was standing unable to walk accross because of a puddle of water. The elder of the two monks went up to a her lifted her and left her on the other side of the road, and continued his way to the monastery.
In the evening the younger monk came to the elder monk and said, "Sir, as monks, we cannot touch a woman ?"
The elder monk answered "yes, brother".
Then the younger monk asks again, "but then Sir, how is that you lifted that woman on the roadside ?"
The elder monk smiled at him and told him " I left her on the other side of the road, but you are still carrying her."
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Re: TMS Author Steven Ray Ozanich's Leaving
