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lynnl
USA
109 Posts |
 Posted - 02/23/2012 : 16:35:14
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My wife works for a general surgeon ...she's one of three ladies in the office. He and his wife have recently gotten on a healthy eating kick. So he brought in a DVD, and practically mandated that his three employees take it home to watch it.
My wife watched it last night, and highly encouraged me to view, which I did this afternoon.
The title is "Forks Over Knives", and you can Google up quite a bit of info about it, both DVD and Book, plus some other related books. The whole idea is that we're killing ourselves with animal based diets. Switching to strictly plant based diet will not only stop the damage we're doing, but even REVERSE most of the effects, e.g. cardio vascular, cholesterol, diabetes, and even cancer. The two main proponents are Dr Caldwell Esseltyne, of the Cleveland Clinic, and a Dr T. Colin Campbell. Ironically, both men grew up on farms involved in cattle and dairy production.
I'll have to say this: the statistical data and other evidence presented is absolutely staggering. Unless they're just outright lying, the conclusions are almost irrefutable. Naturally it has stirred lots of controversy, and hasn't been well received by the beef, dairy, poultry, or pork industries; nor,for that matter, by the Dept of Agriculture where we get our instructions on what and how to eat, and who are so snuggly in bed with some of those industries.
Obviously something has happened during the last generation or so, to account for the astronomical increases in some of our present health problems, e.g. diabetes and obesity (especially childhood) and heart illnesses, and many types of cancer. And the data presented in the film makes a very strong case this is that "something."
While this may not be directly related to any immediate pain issue for anyone, I'm of the belief that all of our health/physical condition issues are tied together in one way or another. In the year before I discovered Sarno, I took up the Hilton Head Diet Plan and dropped about 20-30 lbs, and while it didn't end my pain it certainly improved things by an order of magnitude.
I don't mean to bang the drums, or be pushy here, but rather just point this out for any of you who may be interested in investigating for yourself.
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Goodney
USA
76 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2012 : 16:58:24
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As of the first of this year, I went completely vegetarian. I feel better, have dropped some weight, and my mind seems much clearer. I thought it would be hard, but I don't miss the meat at all, and nowadays there are so many options out there for vegetarians/healthy eaters |
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Darko
Australia
387 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2012 : 17:10:58
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thanks for posting this Lynnl, I have had a couple of attempts at going Vego but slip back into meat eating. I felt amazing being a vego so I will definitely watch this.
Cheers
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balto
839 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2012 : 17:53:55
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Hi Lynnl,
Does it say anything in the DVD about eating fishes and seafood? thanks. |
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jaya
USA
175 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2012 : 05:29:50
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| i tried the vegan thing,didnt work so well for me, i like the diet,very hard to stick with-i went from a very muscular build to a scrawny, "are you going through chemo look"--the one that works for me is absolutely no red meat or eggs, i only eat pork, chicken, fish.no dark meat, now im back to being built like pauly from jersey shore minus the pasta, i am also gluten free, gluten equals health problems, especially if you are of irish/euro bloodlines-im norwegian and irish-celiac positive and celiac/gluten intolerance in my family is high-ironically all my family that is not on a gluten free diet-has varying degrees of diabetes--so diet is very important for sure |
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Wodg
Australia
89 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2012 : 06:10:53
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I eat 99% meat. About 1kg of fatty beef a day. My meat cold, bloody and uncooked.
Sugar, high fructose corn syrup and vegetable oils are the cause of cancer.
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nycmom
USA
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Posted - 02/24/2012 : 07:30:45
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| This was a great film but I still eat meal, i just try to eat whole foods, nothing packaged and I eat gluten free |
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lynnl
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2012 : 07:46:54
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Originally posted by balto
Hi Lynnl,
Does it say anything in the DVD about eating fishes and seafood? thanks.
Yes.
One of the other advocates in the film is a black@ guy who is the chief nutrition or health guru for the city of Chicago (don't recall his exact title). The way he put it, "If it walks, crawls, flys, swims, or slithers, and has a mama and daddy, then don't eat it!"
@ - I mention black only with the thought some of you may recognize him, if you're Chicagoans.
As you've probably guessed, I found this notion very convincing.
But the other thing that stood out to me, especially after doing some independent google research, is the parallel between this idea and Dr Sarno's TMS theory/model, in terms of the strong resistance it will face, both public and institutional. ...especially institutional, where there's so much $$$,$$$,$$$,$$$ riding on the outcome and their financial means to bring intense advertising pressure to bear.
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 02/24/2012 : 08:07:53
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| My diet is more along Wodg's, I eat anything I can get my hands on until I get too tired to eat and then take a nap. About the only thing I know how to "cook" is steak tartare. A two litre plastic bottle of caffeine free diet Coke a day to wash it all down. Bleu cheese for penicillin, Tequilla to kill any germs that survive the mold from the cheese. Lately been hooked on pistachios, about a half-pound a day. Anything that's too suspect or too old to eat, I throw out to the seagulls, they seem to relish and fight over it. A Pillsbury Pastry Streudel with coffee to get the day rolling, stawberries and creams the best. I don't fret much about what I put in me, we were designed to be omnivores, it all comes out in the end. For TMS purposes, it's the **** you feed your brain that you gotta' worry about. |
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jaya
USA
175 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2012 : 10:21:37
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as always,thanx 4 that, i needed that laugh..good stuffquote:
Originally posted by tennis tom
My diet is more along Wodg's, I eat anything I can get my hands on until I get too tired to eat and then take a nap. About the only thing I know how to "cook" is steak tartare. A two litre plastic bottle of caffeine free diet Coke a day to wash it all down. Bleu cheese for penicillin, Tequilla to kill any germs that survive the mold from the cheese. Lately been hooked on pistachios, about a half-pound a day. Anything that's too suspect or too old to eat, I throw out to the seagulls, they seem to relish and fight over it. A Pillsbury Pastry Streudel with coffee to get the day rolling, stawberries and creams the best. I don't fret much about what I put in me, we were designed to be omnivores, it all comes out in the end. For TMS purposes, it's the **** you feed your brain that you gotta' worry about.
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kenny V
USA
268 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2012 : 11:33:25
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Some Food for thought
I heard someone once comment about stress related issues… he said “Its not what you eat but what is eating you”
Also I heard a plumber say
“A little bit of bad stuff down the pipes wont hurt if you then continue to follow up with good maintenance”.
But if you keep it up eventually you will have big problems.
He said "As your pipes get older so does your pluming issues.”
And we all heard you are what you eat…
take it anyway you want. Like anything else , Study other cultures in what they eat/ are exposed to . Now compare it with their sickness diseases and quality of life.
Just saying 
Always Hope For Recovery
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Joy_I_Am
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/24/2012 : 11:35:22
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Tennis Tom, I laughed too, but really, it's true! I've been through stages of thinking 'I should eat well/give up wheat/give up sugar, and then I will DESERVE to feel well'. In the same way I thought 'If I could find the right doctor/body-worker/get the right MRI or blood test...'. Loads of people eat cr@p and never have health problems, because they are carefree and optimistic. Wish I was!
I do agree with living healthily, because it makes sense not to abuse our bodies too badly, but we really are fantastic processors of food, living in safer and more plentiful times than at any time previously in history. It's all about finding a balance, which will be different for all of us.
Me, I'm an obligate carnivore, like a cat! And my mother-in-law is 85 years old and hasn't eaten a vegetable since 1941, but she could still wrestle me to the ground...
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Marlawantstohike
USA
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Posted - 02/24/2012 : 12:50:42
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I am trying to eat heathy, smaller portions and few sweets. A glass of wine now and then. I think it's all about moderation.
I try to stay away from processed stuff but if I have it on rare occasion I don't freak out!
I have been on a diet the last few months to lose 25 lbs, I have lost 9 so far.
A lot of my weight gain was turning to food for emotional reasons.
I was exercising more when this last pain thing happened along with heavy stress stuff that is why doctors and therapists thought it was physical.
About meat, I eat fish, organic chicken, turkey, eggs, and rarely beef. |
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Stryder
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Posted - 02/24/2012 : 15:35:04
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Interesting topic. Thanks for posting it.
lynnl said: Obviously something has happened during the last generation or so, to account for the astronomical increases in some of our present health problems...
Maybe its what the agricultural/industiral complex has been feeding to the livestock. Homo sapiens have been eating meat for a long time (thousands of years).
My diet is a mix everything with very occasional fast food (not burgers). Any meat is lean, I cook on the grill, and try to always have 2 vego side dishes. Have never tried vego alone. Maybe worth a try.
"This just in. Dr Sarno says get off the net and resume normal physical activity."
Maybe people need to get out there and work up a sweat and get some cardio. Maybe thats what has happened in the last generation or so. That doesnt mean there isnt improvement needed in the food supply.
What exactly has the agricultural/industiral complex been feeding to the livestock anyway ?
My 2 cents, -Stryder
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Wodg
Australia
89 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2012 : 17:06:52
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Animal meat/fat/organs are the healthiest foods. People who eat these foods grow hardy and strong with well developed jaws and broad smiles.
http://www.westonaprice.org/dentistry/mental-or-dental
You want your meat to be grass fed. Not factory farmed.
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maccafan
130 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2012 : 17:38:15
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I was a meat-a-holic before becoming a vegan for ethical reasons back in 1989. I had always cared about animals and was feeling more and more like a hypocrite. I educated myself on what animals go through because of us. It was more hellish than I'd ever thought. So I felt better about myself when I stopped but to my surprise my health improved a lot and I felt better physically too. My cholestral level dropped to 137, I maintain a healthier weight more easily, no more costipation and my energy level went up.
It's a lot easier these days to be vegan and vegetarian. There are so many meat substitutes now and websites with vegan and veggie recipes and meal plans and lots of info about the nutritional value of it.
When I first began my education on this I didn't even know that cows are kept continously pregnant in order to make milk. I thought cows just always had milk. Anitibiotics are given or fed to them continously because their utters are so prone to infection from the electronic milking machines and for other reasons as well. When they birth male calves their babies are taken from them within several days and put in small crates where they can barely turn around, no sun can get in and they are fed mush in order to deliberately make them anemic. That is why when you see veal flesh it so pale. They are then slaughtered within a few weeks. Cattle are also kept on a diet of steroids besides antibiotics in order to make them grow faster and bigger.
Factory farming is the big thing now. Pastures are being used to build house subdivisions instead. So more and more farm animals don't even get to see the light of day. Pigs are stacked in individual cages so small they can't even lay down to give birth. Up to six hens are put in one small cage together, their wings get broken in the crush. There are stacks and stacks of these cages in warehouse after warehouse. When chicks are born they are stuck in a machine by their necks and swung around to an electric wire which burns their beaks off so that when they are bigger and stuck in the cages with the others they don't peck each other due to the horrible conditions. Male chicks aren't wanted so they are stuffed in garbage bags and suffocated and fed to caged animals killed for their fur or are made into fertilizer. Turkeys aren't treated any better and at killing time (Thanksgiving) they are stuck head first into a killing cone (blades grind their heads off).
It's old news that girls are starting menstruation younger because of the hormones that are given to so many animals that are eaten.
The USDA has a grading system for the quality of meat. Deseased and sick animals are common when reaching the butchers and they are allowed to cut out or off the tumorous areas of flesh and use the rest. That's one of the reasons you'll see just a package of wings, etc. because the rest of the animal was too deseased.
Animals are fed corn and (hay if they're lucky) that has been grown with fertilizers and sprayed with herbicides and pesticides. The run off from farms and factory farms gets into lakes, rivers and streams and is the major source of water polution including the ocean water once it reaches there too.
This is only the tip of the iceburg of what I have learned and all this information and much more is out there for others to learn from as well. For less than a fraction of the amount of land that is used to raise animals for slaughter, plants could be grown instead and there would be more than enough to feed the world.
This subject is one of the main things that causes unconscious and conscious rage in my mind. I think I have repressed quite alot of emotions about this in my life. Now I speak up about it a lot easier as many more humans are also doing now.
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Goodney
USA
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Posted - 02/24/2012 : 19:58:53
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| Amen, Maccafan. Going veggie isn't just good for us, it's good for the world we live in. As the Buddhists say: May all beings be happy; may all beings be peaceful, may all beings be liberated. |
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Wodg
Australia
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Posted - 02/24/2012 : 21:25:03
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Originally posted by Goodney
Amen, Maccafan. Going veggie isn't just good for us, it's good for the world we live in. As the Buddhists say: May all beings be happy; may all beings be peaceful, may all beings be liberated.
Humans have have recieved most of their calories from animal fat for hundreds of thousands of years. The world is indifferent, neither good nor bad. |
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Back2-It
USA
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Posted - 02/25/2012 : 09:23:53
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I'm with Wog on this one.
Just as Sarno explains that after millions of years of evolution spines in the last 60 years haven't suddenly crapped out -- that the gut and digestive process of humans is essentially made up of the same DNA as a million years ago.
This is when humans basically foraged for grub, and were not cultivating -- plants or animals.
A good number of historically cultivated veggies play havoc with insulin levels and are sprayed with chemicals.
Most of the meat is "factory" produced in the last 60 years, stuffed with corn and and antibiotics and the animals stressed, living jammed into cages and lots.
Cultivated grain and rice and other starches also whack out the insulin levels, even more than starchy veggies.
That said, there is a practicality level. Not all of us can grow our own due to time and most of us do not have pasture land, so we have to make choices.
Grass finished meat is a good choice, but expensive.
Best many of us can do is make the best choices when eating and reduce stress.
When some of these studies are done about a plant based diet, such as Dr. Ornish's, "Reversing Heart Disease", most of the credit is given to food. Some of that is justified. Ornish's diet cut out all junk food, fatty meats, and sugars and sweets and was nearly a vegan diet. Good enough. But...also included in the Reversing program was meditation, group therapy and other modalities that can lead to a better outlook and positive effects on overall health.
Not all veggies are great for you, organic or not. Grains, not so good, either. (Beer is my personal exception. What is life without a brew? )
The FDA Pyramid, gospel for so many years is a failure. It should probably be inverse. I do understand they have changed it. Of course, that same government has brought us the flaming Volt-mobile.
My non-professional opinion, of course.
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Goodney
USA
76 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2012 : 13:32:57
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| I know some might think this whole subject off topic on a TMS forum, but one of the things I really enjoy is the variety of life topics discussed here, and the intelligence and quality of the debate. I learn a lot and get to experience the perspective of others. And that to me is a very good thing. |
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