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MainEventMike
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 22:14:02
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Ozagnes,
You have it correct. It is "the coping" that demands the most energy, and therefore angers and conflicts us the most necessitating symptoms. This coping engages the freeze side of the survival response and not the fight/flight. If either fight or flight were to be utilized the trauma/or coping would be discharged from the system, and there would be less need for the unpleasant symptoms.
Try this link at UTube below, it gives the best visual explanation that I could find to help explain what is going on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u40WwqkOws
If we flee a situation (primal escape), this is an act of survival; we have escaped in our minds and that energy is disharged--no need for tms. For ex., if we are in a bad/tense relationship we can divorce from it and leave. This is escape in our minds.
OR--the other side is fight. We can can hit our spouse or argue it out until we are blue in the face. This completes the last act of survival and so the energy once again doesn't build up to dangerous levels.
However, given the personality type of the Type T, TMSer, they tend to neither argue back and release or flee to release because as Dr. Sarno insightfully observed, they are nice people, hyper responsible, non confrontational for the most part. They smile when they should get mad, they freeze instead of running, they are copers extraordinaire.
So what happens to that energy from the fight flight that was never taken? It gets locked into the body and disrupts the smooth functioning of the autonomic nervous system, more specifically the SNS. And hell begins.
You also described here what I called Phase 4 TMS, when the symptom occurs AFTER the tension is removed. This is the most common timing of manifestation. I observed that symptoms arose as needed and they fell into 4 classifications. Phase 4 was the more common and most of the tms docs agreed. I also noted that most people I knew in my life got cancer "after" the trauma events took place.
And finally, Ozagnes (I think several radio hosts called me that name since they couldn't pronounce my last name)...therapists have been telling me, regarding their clients, that my book is helping people to understand that those healing timeframes people read about in the tms books should not freak sufferers out when they don't heal exactly like that. You will heal in YOUR time, not anyone else's. Adhering to others' time frames adds stressors and slows healing. Relax and heal when you do. I've seen, several times, that quck healing is not as good as slow healing. The quick healers often see the SI upon them as the symptom shifts. The slow healers often heal deeper, which may be psychologically safer for them.
MainEventMike, I will look into the Barnes and Noble e-book. Since I published my book I've been sending out press releases and promo stuff and interviewing, etc. I haven't had time to look into all the formats. Thanks for reminding me.
Dr. Z,
I'm working with Barnes and Noble in your hometown now for a signing. I'm done with all the national stuff and beginning back home now. I come on to this site when all the work is done to relax and to see if I can help someone, anyone. The more you know yourself and how YOU react to external stimuli, the better chance you have, and then take action to free yourelf from your own burden.
I hope we can get together soon and figure all of life out. Either that or discuss tms and The Healthy Mind. I will be in touch soon.
SteveO Go Guins! and Go Bucks!
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balto
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Posted - 04/24/2012 : 08:33:15
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quote: Originally posted by SteveO
Ozagnes,
You have it correct. It is "the coping" that demands the most energy, and therefore angers and conflicts us the most necessitating symptoms. This coping engages the freeze side of the survival response and not the fight/flight. If either fight or flight were to be utilized the trauma/or coping would be discharged from the system, and there would be less need for the unpleasant symptoms.
Try this link at UTube below, it gives the best visual explanation that I could find to help explain what is going on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u40WwqkOws
If we flee a situation (primal escape), this is an act of survival; we have escaped in our minds and that energy is disharged--no need for tms. For ex., if we are in a bad/tense relationship we can divorce from it and leave. This is escape in our minds.
OR--the other side is fight. We can can hit our spouse or argue it out until we are blue in the face. This completes the last act of survival and so the energy once again doesn't build up to dangerous levels.
However, given the personality type of the Type T, TMSer, they tend to neither argue back and release or flee to release because as Dr. Sarno insightfully observed, they are nice people, hyper responsible, non confrontational for the most part. They smile when they should get mad, they freeze instead of running, they are copers extraordinaire.
So what happens to that energy from the fight flight that was never taken? It gets locked into the body and disrupts the smooth functioning of the autonomic nervous system, more specifically the SNS. And hell begins.
You also described here what I called Phase 4 TMS, when the symptom occurs AFTER the tension is removed. This is the most common timing of manifestation. I observed that symptoms arose as needed and they fell into 4 classifications. Phase 4 was the more common and most of the tms docs agreed. I also noted that most people I knew in my life got cancer "after" the trauma events took place.
And finally, Ozagnes (I think several radio hosts called me that name since they couldn't pronounce my last name)...therapists have been telling me, regarding their clients, that my book is helping people to understand that those healing timeframes people read about in the tms books should not freak sufferers out when they don't heal exactly like that. You will heal in YOUR time, not anyone else's. Adhering to others' time frames adds stressors and slows healing. Relax and heal when you do. I've seen, several times, that quck healing is not as good as slow healing. The quick healers often see the SI upon them as the symptom shifts. The slow healers often heal deeper, which may be psychologically safer for them.
This is one of the best post on why "coping" is not good for tmser's I have read. Thanks Steve. |
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 04/26/2012 : 15:45:14
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You're welcome BaltO (are we related?). I can only take credit for how I explained it. I spoke with MDs whose spent their careers studying trauma and its impact on health. Trauma is def. by Bob Scaer, MD, as "a state of helplessness under life threat."
As I read over the threads, superficially, I see a few major themes. The one that stands out most to me is how quickly people want to heal, and how frustrated they become if it doesn't happen quickly, protracting their suffering.
The idea for healing is to stop trying to heal. It was only when I stopped trying that I finally healed. Monitoring progress slows healing.
There are other common denominaters also. But that stands out. This may have been addressed in earlier threads I don't want to dig that deep into the past. It is gone.
People wonder why they aren't moving along in healing, and it's clear. It's not the conscious mind that needs convinced, it's that part outside of awareness that needs to acquiesce. It's understanding at the deeper level that is necessary. People often say to me, "I agree with Dr. Sarno, I think that I have TMS, but it isn't working."
That's their conscious being, that part that thinks intellectually. That part is the first part that must be "gotten to" in healing, the prefrontal cortex of the brain (more specifically the left dorsolateral prefrontal cortex); the portal into the entire being.
But, in healing, acceptance and belief must be contained within the deeper self. This takes more time since the brain is very reluctant to give up its current knowledge for fear of not being "safe."
You can understand why someone has hurt you at the conscious level, but it doesn't mean you forgive them at the deeper level. Conscious understanding is not unconscious belief, don't mistake and equate them.
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SteveO
USA
272 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2012 : 21:31:11
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LOS ANGELES – JPX Media Group announced the winners and finalists of THE 2012 INTERNATIONAL BOOK AWARDS (IBA) on May 23, 2012. Over 300 winners and finalists were announced in over 100 categories covering print, e-books and audio books. Awards were presented for titles published in 2010, 2011 and 2012.
Jeffrey Keen, President and CEO of JPX Media Group, said this year’s contest yielded a large number of entries from authors and publishers around the world, which were then narrowed down to the final results.
I just wanted to tell a few friends here that my TMS-book came in second place in the International Book Awards for 2012 for, "Best New Health Book." First place went to 2 MDs who wrote a book on childhood ADHD. My book was also Finalist in the category, "Health: Alternative Medicine."
First place would have been great in both categories but second place is a nice view too. There were 18 countries entered with 1000 group entries. I was told it was close in "Best New Health Book" but the over-all winner went to the MDs at the big publishing house, Norton. Their book looks interesting.
The main point is that the panel of 10 judges in LA now know what TMS is--and the word is quickly spreading. They're taking the list of Winners and Finalists to the Book Expo America in NYC, June 5-9 to announce them to the national media (there will be over 1400 media personnel in attendance). Most in the media will hear about TMS for the first time. So the news is good. I can't attend but I'm told that IBA will be networking the convention floor and talking to the media.
I'm spreading the word as best I can. Dr. Peter Zafrides is doing the same from Columbus, 2 hours south of me. He has recently submitted work on TMS, and the news is good there too. He has submitted a chapter in a book that is being published by the American Psychological Association Press. Some of it deals with TMS. Most people don't know what a big deal that is for him, and for TMS. Things with "TMS" attached to them don't get through the editing room floor often, especially for a medical piece. But Dr. Z has managed to push one through. I wish him the best of luck, with his work and his family. I will let him fill you in on what he's doing, I don't want to steal his thunder. But he's doing good things out there.
This TMS-movement is tough. The message is beaten back at every turn. Those of us who have healed completely know how true and pure the message is, and how important it is to keep plodding forward. It's a worthwhile cause to say the least.
If anyone wants to heal, the information is out there. Information is the penicillen to this disorder. I wonder who said that?
I'm working on an audio book-version now, and Dr. Zafrides and I are talking about putting together a project.
Anyone can heal, if they desire,
Steve
http://www.internationalbookawards.com/2012awardannouncement.html
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 05/24/2012 : 09:05:41
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CONGRATULATIONS SteveO!, it's an honor having you here. Maybe this will help get the book some national exposure and we'll be seeing you talk TMS on Ophrah, Leno and letterman--maybe a guest host on SNL and a cameo on HOUSE MD, curing the doc of his psychosomatic limp.
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS: www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ : http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto ======================================================
TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD 400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016 (212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum: http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki: http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).: http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
Edited by - tennis tom on 05/24/2012 09:07:42 |
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drh7900
USA
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Posted - 05/24/2012 : 13:37:10
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Yes, congrats!!!
Have you looked any more into ebook formats? I'd love to be able to get it on my iPad. Also, I remember you saying you were working on an audio version...are you going to be reading it yourself? Any idea on timeframe?
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catmac
United Kingdom
57 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2012 : 13:49:13
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Well done Steve, Fantastic recognition for all your hard work. |
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Craigy
USA
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Posted - 05/24/2012 : 18:31:14
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Way to go SO! It's more important than any award! |
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jennypeanut
103 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2012 : 19:37:36
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I'm reading the book now and loving it. I'm so excited to read through it (I've only just begun last night). And CONGRATS!!!! :) |
Edited by - jennypeanut on 05/24/2012 19:39:15 |
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Cath
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Posted - 05/25/2012 : 05:07:33
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Congratulations, and well-deserved. You are an inspiration to many, and a true disciple in getting the TMS message across to all those who are suffering with chronic pain.
Cath :) |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2012 : 19:41:42
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I was reading SteveO's book today and around page sixty, he clarified something for me that I'd been wondering about for a long time. Dr. Sarno came up with his TMS theory due to his own migraines, while a young doctor. He would get the eye thing precursor of the migraine, a scotoma scintella or something like that. SteveO's book filled in the missing info of how the Good Doctor made the psychosomatic connection. He mentioned the symptom to a fellow doctor who said it was due to repressed anger--it was as simple as that. Now I wonder if that other doctor was a psychiatrist or not? SteveO does a great job of filling in the missing pieces bringing TMS theory home.
Thanks SteveO! Hope book sales are going well, when are we going to see you on Ophrah or Stossel? |
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drh7900
USA
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Posted - 06/07/2012 : 07:49:43
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quote: Originally posted by tennis tom
I was reading SteveO's book today and around page sixty, he clarified something for me that I'd been wondering about for a long time. Dr. Sarno came up with his TMS theory due to his own migraines, while a young doctor. He would get the eye thing precursor of the migraine, a scotoma scintella or something like that. SteveO's book filled in the missing info of how the Good Doctor made the psychosomatic connection. He mentioned the symptom to a fellow doctor who said it was due to repressed anger--it was as simple as that. Now I wonder if that other doctor was a psychiatrist or not? SteveO does a great job of filling in the missing pieces bringing TMS theory home.
Thanks SteveO! Hope book sales are going well, when are we going to see you on Ophrah or Stossel?
Perhaps I misread...I understood that to be how Sarno made the connection that migraines could be connected to TMS...I thought I had read that he made the connection for back pain long before that...as he started working in rehabilitative medicine and found an increase in back pain sufferers while, at the same time, seeing ulcers on the decrease after ulcers had been identified as stress-induced.
But I whole-heartedly agree that SteveO's book is great. I'm about 60% through it and it's a good read.
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