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Vikings777

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Posted - 02/02/2012 :  15:44:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have major hip pain every time I bend down or even get out of the car, I was not even thinking about bending (program pain sarno talks about) when I bent down to get something from the back seat of my car that caused a major pain that almost knock me off my feet.

Been going on for a couple weeks maybe I need a hip replacemnet anyone ever have TMS in the side hip area

Tippy

31 Posts

Posted - 02/07/2012 :  10:15:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If they cant find anything wrong in x-rays or MRI's then it is definitely TMS. I have heard of people getting hip replacements and sometimes they work and at times they dont. Once you have exhausted xrays and MRI's its time to get to work and practice reading the books and putting that journaling into action. I HATE journaling but it made me better.

Stephanie
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tennis tom

USA
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Posted - 02/12/2012 :  11:42:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveO


... It's always TMS there unless the hip joint itself has worn out. But this is rare. I worked with 7 people last year who were told they needed replacements, but none did of course.




Thanks for this info SteveO and congratulations on publication of your TMS book! I created a separate thread to spread the word about it and will be purchasing it. As someone myself who has suffered from hip-pain for many years I have a great interest in this part of the human anatomy. I've been examined and been dx'ed by two TMS physicians that my hip is NOT TMS but "significant arthritis" and to get a hip-replacement sooner then later. Well it is much "later" now and I have not gotten a replacement, although a day seldom goes by that someone doesn't notice my limp and helpfully suggests the procedure.

I'm resolved to the fact that my condition is one that has worn out but am seeing daily break-throughs in the field of arthroscopic hip surgery. Medicine is refereed to a "practice" and I'm waiting for the docs to get their practice in as I do on the tennis courts and perfect their surgical skills. Hip replacement is too radical for me but I would be open for some nip and tuck on my hip joint.

Almost everyday I see news breakthroughs on arthroscopic hip surgery and as the technological tools improve I feel joint surgery will be almost on a par with dentistry. In the meantime TMS thinking gives me a great placebo effect to carry on.

I'll copy a few news stories regarding arthroscopy on hips and there's a story on knees and how they have been discovered to be "self-healing" which may prevent the need for their replacement.

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/10/4255062/arthritic-knees-try-to-heal-on.html

http://www2.turnto10.com/lifestyles/2012/feb/09/health-check-hip-impingement-ar-927662/

http://community.active.com/thread/75071?start=2940&tstart=0

http://www.orthosupersite.com/view.aspx?rid=92167





Edited by - tennis tom on 02/12/2012 12:07:04
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lynnl

USA
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Posted - 02/12/2012 :  13:44:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well no one asked my opinion, but I'll give it anyway.

I personally think all of this joint replacement nowadays is a "CROCK." ...EXCEPT, probably, in a few rare cases where there has been some extreme trauma and tissue damage at some time in the recent, or even distant, past.

I think the pain/discomfort issues almost always reflect TMS and/or conditioning; and the relief reported by those who do experience success is purely a placebo effect. I think that is why, in so many cases the pain is not resolved, OR at some point a few years down the road the pain returns or other problems surface.

Even arthritis - that's kind of a mystery (to me). I can't help but wonder, if that's not a case of "chicken vs egg." Is it not possible that low grade ischema, resulting from TMS, over a long period induces arthritis?

I will relate my own experience:
I discovered Sarno and the TMS concept in the late '90s, and found almost immediate relief for what was then manifesting itself as extreme sciatica, which did include hip/buttock pain as one of the main target areas. It had persisted for right about 3 years.

Well fast-forward to about 3 and 1/2 years ago: At age 65 I was playing tennis one evening, and had to spring forward to return a ball. I heard a loud crack or pop, and was immediately convinced someone had fired a heavy caliber handgun behind me. That was not unreasonable since the tennis courts bordered some wooded, undeveloped area. But after looking behind me, then taking a step or two, I realized the issue was my left calf. It was now hurting like hell, and I thought I'd snapped a muscle or tendon. So much for tennis that evening.

By the next day the calf felt much better, and within 2 or 3 days it was as if nothing had happened. So a week or so later my friend and I resumed our once or twice weekly casual tennis. About a month or so later I developed left knee pain, though there was no specific, defining moment, or even tennis outing, when it commenced. This was about mid November.

By late Jan, the pain seemed to be getting worse, not better, and there was now noticeable swelling. I'd been attributing it to TMS and not giving it a lot of concern. But now the swelling caused doubts.

Well, to get to point, I ultimately went to a highly touted knee surgeon, who ordered an MRI, and subsequently said, "Yep, you have a tear in the medial meniscus, and with arthroscopic surgery I'll have you fixed up good as new!" I still had reservations, thinking TMS, but went ahead with the surgery. BIG MISTAKE! The knee has been orders of magnitude worse ever since ...now almost 4 years.

What I think: The surgery per se, did not make it worse; it's just that I was not as receptive to the placebo effect, as someone unfamiliar with the TMS concept.

I continued to return to the Dr. for a year, at which times they would drain the knee and give me steroids, which would provide some relief for a few weeks. Each time he'd suggest knee replacement, and I'd say "NO WAY!" But finally I could see he wanted to wash his hands of me and my case, and I felt the same about him.

Now here's the thing: The pain isn't in the joint itself. I can tell it's just a case of tendonitis. Furthermore, it's not there all the time. To a degree, I can control it with "emotional thinking", but not for any lasting relief. It's only an issue when I'm walking, and even then, not for the first several feet of walking. ALSO, the pain sometimes moves around. Mostly it's on the inside, slightly below the flex line of the knee. And the shinbone area just below the point of pain is continually sore to the touch.
But sometimes the pain will shift to the area behind the knee, and sometimes centered in the front. Very rarely it will be on the outside of the knee.

Intellectually I know this is TMS. But I'm not able to resolve it once and for all.

...long story I know. Hope it was not too boring.
I sort of adhere to the old adage, "anything worth doing is worth doing well", except with a twist, "anything worth telling is worth telling in its entirety."


Lynn

Edited by - lynnl on 02/12/2012 13:49:29
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tennis tom

USA
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Posted - 02/12/2012 :  18:51:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good post LynnL, glad to here from a fellow tennis player. I can't reply in full at the moment, but wondering if the below linked article may be of some help for your knee:



http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/10/4255062/arthritic-knees-try-to-heal-on.

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