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ABrooks
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 Posted - 08/17/2011 : 22:27:38
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I recently posted how great I've been doing (70% better) and have mostly been referring to my pain in my lower extremeties, however, I've had an increase in anxiety since my physical symptoms have been improving, which I've read can happen when TMS physical symptoms improve. For weeks now I've had difficulty falling asleep at night or staying asleep and in the past week have resorted to taking a Xanax either before bed or when I wake up at my usual 3am. HOWEVER, tonight I took a Xanax AND a muscle relaxer (which I don't take at all anymore) because my usual "tightness in throat" was worse than usual and after a 1/2 hour of trying to sleep I'm having complete opposite effects - this is possibly the worst anxiety I've ever had - I'm so jittery and on edge that I feel like I can stand being in my own body anymore. Although I'm tired, everytime I start to fall asleep I awake in panic. I'm doing a little better as I'm typing but as soon as I stop and am "silent" within myself it starts up again. I try telling myself it's OK, I know this is TMS and if I don't sleep no big deal, I'll just call out of work but NOTHING is working. I even tried various relaxation techniques and followed therapists instructions about be careful about what I read or watch before bed, etc.
I'm afraid this is some horrible manifestation of TMS that won't go away. Like my mind is totally reliant on the pain as a distraction and it's gotta be one or the other. I feel like I've lost control over my mind - this happened to me back in March for a month before I learned of TMS and at the time I had severe daily panic attacks and really bad OCD. I somehow got through it and stopped taking XANAX daily and had been OK for about 3 months until I discovered TMS was source of my pain and eversince my pain has improved the anxiety has been getting worse.
Can anyone offer any advice? I'm willing to do anything! At this rate I'm even willing to consider traveling a couple hours/week from RI to see a good TMS psychotherapist. |
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susan828
USA
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Posted - 08/17/2011 : 23:11:02
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Dear ABrooks, I am about to sleep and don't like to post when I have nothing to offer but I do want to ask how long you have been taking Xanax (steadily, not sure)? I totally understand not being in control of one's mind. I have had a very bad clinical depression at which time I would ask myself "Who is in charge of my mind, what is happening? Am I not the captain of my ship? Why can't I control these thoughts?"
I still say these things about the chronic pain and what it does to my mind. I would like to ask what you have read regarding dealing with panic attacks. I am asking you this because after reading about 50 books, some clinical and some for the layman, there were only about two that really helped immensely.
Please don't take a muscle relaxer and Xanax...the last thing you need now is a REAL medical problem. Don't complicate things and get yourself sick. The tightness in your throat is anxiety. Can you trace what's going on in your life now? Do you have anyone to talk to that understands, or just to talk to about your life, dissatisfaction, whatever is bothering you?
I understand not wanting to be in your body anymore. I told my therapist I want my brain cut out. You say as soon as you're silent it starts again. So basically what you're saying is that you can't relax at all...you can't be with"you". What I think you (and I) have to figure out is what's going on that is different than when we could...when we were little and could relax, or maybe when you were younger at some point. For me, it is figuring out why I can't just "be". Be with myself in peace and happiness like before. Have you ever been diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder...when you read about it, does that seem to describe you? I hope Art checks into this thread because he has helped me so much. I know it's not easy to "relax" but Art has a way of describing it in a manner that I cannot. Please look for his posts. And please hang in here with us. I want you to get better. I suffer every day and I understand the struggle. |
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Dan
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Posted - 08/17/2011 : 23:24:45
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Wish I could say something helpful. I've had lots of problems with insomnia and OCD as well as TMS, so I feel your pain. The only thing I can suggest is to focus on the remarkable progress you've made, and how much better you're doing now than you were. If you've been moving in a good direction, you can continue to do so. You've seen yourself get better, so you know there's nothing fundamentally wrong with you and that you can get better again. And if that's true, maybe you don't need to feel anxious?
I hope that doesn't sound simplistic--just trying to be encouraging. I do think your history should give you lots of cause for hope. But I know that deep-rooted psychological tendencies--worry, obsessiveness, anger--are hard to deal with. I've been grappling with them for years and have tried meditation, self-hypnosis, etc., but I can't say I've conquered these problems. Just know that other people are going through the same thing and that you're not alone. And, that this really will pass--you're too young and have made too much progress already to not get better.
Sometimes what we mostly need is hope. I'd keep reading the stories of others who had horrible problems but got better. I recently read Fred Amir's book, Rapid Recovery from Back Pain, and found that it gave me more optimism in addition to some concrete prescriptions. Might be worth checking out.
Best of luck! I'll keep my fingers crossed for you!
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Dan
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Posted - 08/17/2011 : 23:31:23
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I'm sure you don't need yet another book recommendation, but I found The Worry Cure helpful:
http://www.amazon.com/Worry-Cure-Seven-Steps-Stopping/dp/1400097657
Leahy is good at helping you see where and how your thoughts are going astray, and he provides some good simple techniques for fixing this. It's not a panacea, but every little bit helps.
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balto
839 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2011 : 08:20:51
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I've never been to a therapist so I don't know what they do to cure people of mindbody syndromes. tms and anxiety disorders are mindbody syndromes. They all have the same cause and they are all treated the same way. The root cause of mindbody syndromes is FEAR. You desired something and you feared you don't get it, or you don't desired something and you fear you will get it. When that fear happened and prolong it caused stress symtoms. When those stress symtoms prolong your brain will try to "save" you by instructing your body to either tense up some muscles to reduce the flow of blood and cause pain at a particular area of your body. Or it will tell your body to produce large amount of stress chemical like glucagon, epinephrine (adrenaline), norepinephrine, cortisol,... Those chemicals can cause your body to have all kind of crazy symptoms, scary symptoms. and if you don't know how to "think" yourself out of it, they can last days, weeks, or years.
One good new is I have never heard of anyone die from tms or anxiety and panic attack yet. I've search the web for years and have never find even one single new about anyone die from it.
As I've said, the root cause of mindbody syndromes is FEAR. You fear something in your life so you have stress. Your brain replace that fear with a fear of a mindbody symptom so you can forget your first fear. Now, those pain or anxiety symptoms is harmless, (Sarno proved it) but mindbody syndromes patients didn't know that so they fear the symptoms, they are terrified of what those symptoms would do to them. How do you get well? how to you stop this illness? STOP YOUR FEAR OF THE SYMPTOMS.
You can dislike your back pain, you can curse your brain fog, you can tell your heart palpitation to go to hell, you can tell your insomnia to kiss your a s s... but don't ever ever fear it. Don't allow it to scare you. because your symptoms, whatever it is, is a fire and your fear of it is the firewood. Don't give it the fire wood and it will burn out and leave you. You may not realize this but our tolerance to pain is very high. We can handle the back pain, we can handle the headache, we can go days with little sleep... think about it, it is not the pain that is really bother us, it is the fear of it. The fear of what the symptoms will LEAD to. You have back pain you fear it will lead to permanent nerve damage or paralyse. You have anxiety you fear you will go crazy or pass out, you have insomnia you fear you will be weak and tire and can function at work or you may have some other diseases ... so accept your symptoms, live with it for awhile, but don't fear it. Don't give it firewood. Don't analyse it. Don't ask "what if?". Don't be affraid of it. And it will go away.
One more important thing. Time. Give it time. Many mindbody syndromes patient make the mistake of not giving your illness time to heal. (let me call mindbody syndromes Misy) misy is like a cut on your hand. You wash it, you dry it, you put on Neonsporin, you put on a bandage, then what? you wait for it to heal, to skinned over and heal in a few days or weeks if it is a big cut. Now, you misy is a big cut. It took you weeks or months to think yourself into it. It will take you weeks or months to think yourself out of it. Don't get discourage if you apply what I just said and don't get good result right away. Just accept your symptoms, live with it, acknowledge it, curse it, thanking it,... but don't fear it. In time it will leave. When you don't fear it, it doesn't do it's job as the brain told it to then it will leave. Many people make that big mistake of expecting to get well right away after reading Sarno's book. And when they don't see the result right away they get upset, they get confuse, they get discourage and hopeless... which created more stress, which will contribute, intensified, and prolong their illness. So, remember to give it time. Give it time.
Focus on de-stress your life.
(sorry it is too long again. Many people probably won't finish reading this. But hey, it take Sarno 3 books and still not cover everything :)
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jjh2go
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Posted - 08/18/2011 : 08:52:01
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It will go away. I suffered from depression and anxiety earlier this year. It's all TMS. I was tired too, but I would wake up every hour. Lots of restless nights. You need to drain the unconscious mind. You need to express those repressed emotions. I highly recommend journaling, and I also recommend the online course at www.unlearnyourpain.com
Unfortunately, I haven't had a complete cure. I am now seeing a therapist. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2011 : 09:30:56
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Originally posted by ABrooks
For weeks now I've had difficulty falling asleep at night or staying asleep and in the past week have resorted to taking a Xanax either before bed or when I wake up at my usual 3am.
I'm afraid this is some horrible manifestation of TMS that won't go away.
Like my mind is totally reliant on the pain as a distraction and it's gotta be one or the other.
I feel like I've lost control over my mind -
I had severe daily panic attacks and really bad OCD. TMS was source of my pain and eversince my pain has improved the anxiety has been getting worse.
Can anyone offer any advice? I'm willing to do anything! At this rate I'm even willing to consider traveling a couple hours/week from RI to see a good TMS psychotherapist.
Sorry to hear how bad you feel. Anxiety is TMS, it's called an affective symptom, but TMS just the same. It's doing it's job of distraction and protection. To find out what from, see the Rahe-Holmes list in my sig for posibillites .
Insomnia is normal to humans, we've made a condition out of it when it's normal. Search "insomnia" and you will find an elaboration of my thoughts on it.
Medications can cause your panic, I had a severe reaction to Lexapro a few years back that took me to the ER in the middle of the night. The kindly ER doctor, after checking me out and reassuring me it was not a heart attack told me anxiety attacks were one of the greatest cause of ER visits, (along with taking too much OTC pain meds causing GI bleeds which I have also been to the ER for. When coming off of such drugs you should consult with your doc to wean yourself off properly.
You haven't lost control of your mind, none of us really are in control of our minds, it's a fallacy, so you're normal on that count too.
It does sound like you need some help for your current acute TMS state. Seeing a TMS doctor or therapist would be a good idea. If travel is a hardship, call one instead since if it's TMS there isn't anything structural wrong with you and a good chat by phone may bring you back down. Do you have the list of TMS practitioners? I've read that Dr. Sopher does phone consults and I've had phone consults with TMS therapists.
Good luck, I've been there and survived and you will too.
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
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jjh2go
35 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2011 : 18:33:52
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So far I'm very pleased with my psychodynamic psychotherapy. If there isn't a TMS therapist close by, but you can find someone who is trained in psychodynamic psychotherapy, it's the same type of therapy that is used for TMS. I found it quite easy to approach my therapist with the concept of TMS, and she has seen TMS in her practice, although she didn't know the term.
By the way, I had a session this afternoon. And now I'm in a lot of pain, mainly sciatic pain. My upper back also flared up during the session. This is all good. It means I'm stirring up the emotions and experiences that are causing the symptoms. It just might take a few sessions to pull it out of my mind. |
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wrldtrv
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Posted - 08/18/2011 : 19:43:45
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ABrooks, I've been there as well and as the others say, it's the FEAR that is the key to everything. No, you can't will it away; fighting it simply worsens it. Sometimes distraction will work temporarily and is a good strategy to get you through the crisis. But at some point one has to face the fear...not in an aggressive fighting way, but an observant surrendering way, eg, acknowledging its presence or "floating" with it as Claire Weekes says ("Help and Hope For Your Nerves"--great book!). Know that the scary symptoms and crazy thoughts are not only harmless, but TEMPORARY and caused by your fear.
I deal with anxiety on a daily basis and sometimes it's a little and sometimes a lot. It's easy to become overwhelmed and even apathetic, but you must always remember that nothing lasts forever. In fact, if you did nothing and simply waited it out you would eventually recover. That's just a fact of our physiology. |
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alexis
USA
596 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2011 : 06:07:15
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Is there a strong medical reason not to take the Xanax or are you sure this is just a temporary withdrawal from the other drugs (as questioned in your other post)?
I’m going to take the other side (maybe play a bit of devils advocate) and suggest you consider taking the Xanax again, at least as a stop gap. The brain is complex and there area heck of a lot of things that can trigger anxiety symptoms. I don’t think any of the pat theories you see bandied about here about its relationship to distraction, TMS or life experience fully do its multi-faceted complexity justice.
TMSers tend to be puritans…that’s what gets you into this mess. People take their old perfectionism and turn it into some sort of TMS perfectionism (“I can’t take drugs”, “I need to believe 100%” … they tell others with authority “Anxiety is really X” yeah, like seriously folks here have real expertise???). I say screw it; if you need back one of the old drugs to be content and stable, take them. You’re still better off than on the multiple drugs and multiple pains you once had. Keep up the TMS work that helped, but you don’t have to go whole hog.
You can do stuff part way. You can do stuff slowly. You can believe in parts of the theories. The whole thing about 100% faith and everything-is-TMS is great marketing to appeal to the extremist types who get psychosomatic symptoms in the first place. But play it smart. Whole hog is the cause of a hell of a lot of misery. Do what’s right for you.
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2011 : 08:38:23
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Originally posted by alexis
I don’t think any of the pat theories you see bandied about here about its relationship to distraction,
TMSers tend to be puritans…that’s what gets you into this mess. People take their old perfectionism and turn it into some sort of TMS perfectionism (“I can’t take drugs”, “I need to believe 100%” … they tell others with authority “Anxiety is really X” yeah, like seriously folks here have real expertise???).
The whole thing about 100% faith and everything-is-TMS is great marketing to appeal to the extremist types who get psychosomatic symptoms in the first place.
Distraction is a key to the Good Doctor's theory. YES folks here SERIOUSLY have EXPERTISE--their own and they are experts at their own TMS pain.
How cavalier of you to dismiss ALL who post here as amateurs.
Puritan, no, actually Jewish.
"Great marketing to appeal to the extremist types", then I guess we're all extremist types, since TMS is part of the human condition and everyone gets symptoms at some point in their life. As far as I know, Dr. Sarno has never done a book tour and this site is free of advertising.
So Alexis, what exactly are your credentials for your POV? How many books have you written on psychosomatic pain? How many years have you practiced medicine?
Feel free to answer me in your BIO if you don't feel comfortable doing it here. I don't really understand why you keep coming back here since you are so dismissive of DR. Sarno and TMS'ers.
Caveat: I don't really know anything about TMS--but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
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alexis
USA
596 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2011 : 15:02:30
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Tom,
I am a TMSer and I am, or at least have been, an extremist puritan in many ways. That's how *I* got into this mess. I do not exclude myself from any of the statements I made - that's just your chosen interpretation.
Humans - all humans - are ignorant. I find that both funny and enlightening. And in "all humans" I most definitely include myself. I find it healthy to look at ourselves, we puritanical extremist TMSers and to laugh. I find it helpful to realize what we're doing and how much pain it causes. And think it good to distinguish in each individual’s case whether or not you really can let go of an obsession - because we all differ, a fact often forgotten.
But I don't know the answers, just that the one thing I suspect is that thinking we know – or should know - everything seems to be a key factor in all this. And to break that cycle I think that it's helpful to make sure we have multiple opinions out there. When people are desperate they look for answers, and a universal chorus of "stop taking your prescribed drugs" - while possibly correct - is not a complete representation of reasonable alternatives.
I also do know what a real expert is and how much knowledge that person has, and I have not once seen any of those people on this message board. People tend to think they know a lot when they know more than their neighbor, but unless your neighbor has a PhD the comparison is not very meaningful.
And again in that I include myself - no matter how much time I dedicate to my psychological hobbies I don't know a fraction of what my friends in the field know. We're all just a bunch of people with little 100th-at-best insights into the world of modern psychological knowledge and anyone who takes ANYONE else here seriously is nuts. This may not be the blind leading the blind, but it's the vision impaired leading the vision impaired. And that's not a slight...sometimes those with your very same disability (or level of ignorance) are the very ones to best help.
I know I have a (well known to some) policy of not answering your badgering or personal attacks, and I plan to go back to that. But in this case you imply that I was slighting others on this board, and I feel I should clarify. If I slight, I slight us all. Because it’s down right funny how we – all of us - talk like we know anything when in fact we know a very narrow slice.
And before you start on your usual tirade about how I didn’t answer your questions, do you really think anyone takes seriously questioning someone you’ve argued with for several years with questions about how many books they’ve written on psychosomatic pain or how long they’ve practiced medicine? You’re letting your old aggressive and manipulative argument style show after playing nice for several months.
Alexis
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maccafan
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Posted - 08/19/2011 : 16:17:02
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Xanax (a benzodiazepine) is a nasty, nasty drug. It caused my severe tinnitus. It caused me to fear for my sanity. The anxiety that I had worsened while taking it to point that I was trapped in a world of fear and fright. The internist that prescribed it said my worsening panic was because I had an anxiety disorder and to take more. I told him that I thought it was the drug causing it. But I trusted him and took more.
After finally and even in my agitated state, decided to trust myself I learned a lot about this drug and figured out what was happening to me. Xanax has a short half life, it leaves the body quickly and the body builds up a tolerance to it just as fast. So I was going into interdose withdrawal every few hours or less. This was causing the insomnia and agitation and gripping fear. And all this started after I'd been taking it only about 3 mos. or less.
I weaned myself off it very slowly. Eventually I became myself again. This was right before the internet and all the support groups.
I have brought myself out of years of different painful, uncomfortable and miserable psychosomatic symptoms. And I didn't have 100% faith in Dr. Sarno or myself. But I had enough experience with weird symptoms due to the Xanax nightmare that I believed there was a good possibility that what he was writting about was true.
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alexis
USA
596 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2011 : 16:49:57
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| hi maccafan, it definitely sounds like you made the right choice in your case. Interestingly, though, when I look up alprazolam and tinnitis I see that back in the early 90s enough people reported improvement of tinnitis while on the drug to warrant a 1993 study - which found it significantly beat placebo in treating the condition. I don't see anything after '94 (quick search) so there may be conflicting results, but it does seem there's at least a diversity of experience. |
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yogaluz
USA
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Posted - 08/19/2011 : 17:13:03
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I don't have much to add to what others have posted but I will say that Maccafan is right about Xanax's half life and it's effects. What you may be experiencing is 'rebound' anxiety from the drug. I was told this by my psychiatrist who, when I was in a severe anxiety state such as you describe, prescribed me clonazepam. It has a long half life (as does valium) which eliminates the rebound effect. The drug was extremely helpful to me when I needed it (I know others have had bad experiences with it) and I can honestly say it saved my life. Benzos are powerful drugs and you should be consulting a trusted physician or therapist when taking them. Taking Xanax and a muscle relaxant is a recipe for disaster - please don't self medicate and mix drugs!
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maccafan
130 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2011 : 19:59:48
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alexis - Studies are a dime a dozen. A new one comes out almost every day. People also report that drinking booze helps their tinnitus. There should be a study about this too. There probably already is one! Why don't you go to one of the support groups like benzo.org.uk and learn about benzo physically damaged people. You just might learn something. Also there are a lot of ignorant humans out there with PhD's and MD's that have hurt many other humans who trusted them. There are many studies and news reports on hosipital and doctor error being the leading cause of death in this country.
yogaluz - Xanax can cause a paradoxical reaction (instead of sedating it starts to cause agitation, etc.) which is listed on the drug insert as one of the many possible side effects. Even though clonazepam (Klonopin) and Valium have longer half lives they still can cause the same side effects as the ones with short half lives. Benzos for anxiety are not meant to be taken for more than 3 wks. at the most. They can be useful in this way.
I'm not a perfectionist and wasn't a 100% convinced that Dr. Sarno and his information was right. It just made basic sense to me but that's all it took for me to get out of my living hell. Guess I'm just another ignorant human without a PhD.
ABrooks - I was just trying to help you. Hope I have in some way.
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alexis
USA
596 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2011 : 20:16:00
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Originally posted by maccafan
alexis - Studies are a dime a dozen. A new one comes out almost every day. People also report that drinking booze helps their tinnitus. There should be a study about this too. There probably already is one! Why don't you go to one of the support groups like benzo.org.uk and learn about benzo physically damaged people. You just might learn something. Also there are a lot of ignorant humans out there with PhD's and MD's that have hurt many other humans who trusted them. There are many studies and news reports on hosipital and doctor error being the leading cause of death in this country.
Your own description of your own experience is just a really small study - a study of 1. Visiting message boards is just performing unscientific studies with no controls.
I had a really bad time on percocet - but does that mean its a bad and evil drug? No, I'm one person with one experience. That is not science. I was so miserable I read all about it and the bad experiences others had - STILL not anything approaching science. It *may* be bad, but my individual case alone has very little to say on the topic. I know people who swear its all that got them through wisdom tooth removal...and their experiences alone are no more valid.
That's not to devalue individual experiences. Boards like this are very useful precisely because people are so diverse and have a variety of experiences from which people might learn. In addition, one case can disprove a theory. If you have a theory that "ducks can't talk" and you find one talking duck, theory disproved.
But anecdotal tales of drug experiences are rarely disproving an absolute claim, as few if any drugs are sold on absolutes. There are communities rallying against every drug out there. People tend to generalize from their own experiences, but your experience, and the experience of 100 people you found, in a totally non-randomized internet search, do not in any way make science.
Sure there are a lot of ignorant MDs and PhDs. But on the topic of medicine, there are a lot more ignorant lay people. I encourage everyone to keep sharing their experiences. Because we are so diverse that's one of the best ways to see ourselves, and to get a start. But to make medical claims about drugs without looking at the numbers is just really bad science. |
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maccafan
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Posted - 08/19/2011 : 20:56:09
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alexis - It sounds like you work for a pharmecuetical company! And the drug companies can't even "make science". If you read the literature about benzodiazepines and ssri's as well you will see that it says the chemical is "thought" to act in a certain way and that it is a theory. Even pharmaceutical commercials on tv state this and then legally they have to relate all the possible side effects including sometimes causing death.
Like I said my problems with benzos started before the internet and it's support groups were in existance. I went to medical libraries and read and learned about it by myself. Then lo and behold when the internet thing hit I found out that I was not alone by far!
Before you take any drug or undergo any medical procedure you should read about it and learn about it all that you can. Weigh the pros and cons and be your own advocate. Listen to lay people and learn of their personal experiences as part of your decision making because the scientist and the people with Phd's don't always have your best interest at heart. They have a bottom line to make for their companies, get an artical published, or get some grant money.
I think you are a perfectionist for sure, alexis. You HAVE to be perfectly right. |
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Back2-It
USA
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Posted - 08/19/2011 : 21:30:15
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I did take Ativan for awhile, but didn't seem to have any withdrawal problems. I have held off taking Cymbalta, though I have two prescriptions going from a shrink and from my primary, one for mental and one for pain. The bottles keep stacking up.
I'm afraid of Cymbalta though. I'm sick of the thought of the pills, and when I really get sick of the thought of them I go out and exercise hard to try to create my own happy fix. Sometimes it works.
I do take 5-htp and GABA and an assortment of other supplements. I tell myself they help.
One of the scariest experiences I ever had was after I got out of the psycho ward that I admitted myself to. I took classes after --"psycho class"-- and the people there seemed to exist for their next change in meds, next up in dosage, etc. One woman tortured herself because she wanted to take a Xanax for her anxiety, but was scared of taking it, but was already hooked apparently. She cried and cried in the class.
They never got off their meds.
Sometimes meds are needed short term, and can be live savers (I've seen this), but long-term god knows what they do to a person, mentally and physically.
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balto
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Posted - 08/19/2011 : 22:58:53
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Man! I'm so glad I'm a "former" tms patient. The informations on this board can be so confusing at time. I feel bad for the newly ill people in here. Too many different opinions and ideas. Too many different personal experiences. It sometime seem like a hostile environment.
Hostile and combative personality is one of the main causes of tms too.
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Back2-It
USA
438 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2011 : 06:19:06
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Originally posted by balto
Man! I'm so glad I'm a "former" tms patient. The informations on this board can be so confusing at time. I feel bad for the newly ill people in here. Too many different opinions and ideas. Too many different personal experiences. It sometime seem like a hostile environment.
Hostile and combative personality is one of the main causes of tms too.
Yeah, the intermural fighting and bickering is a drag. Where is Rodney King when you need him? Shout out to Mr. "Get Along".
In fairness to those on the boards with differing opinions and personal squabbles, I have found the majority to be helpful most all the time, including those who cant' "get along" with each other. I've gotten good advice from each and all.
Hostility is part of human nature, too, and I guess the cause of stress and anxiety and wars. How we deal with it will determine whether we get sick or start aiming missiles.
Balto may have point. To somebody new and dropping in for help and desperate, they may get even more confused and desperate after reading the theory opinion posts.
Maybe there should be a third section for those who want to discuss and argue the theory of TMS and MindBody problems?
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I don't think I can take this anymore! Please help
