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monta
Israel
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 Posted - 12/01/2010 : 04:03:48
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Hi everyone,
I'm doing TMS/MBS recovery proccess with a great book called "Unlearn your pain" by Dr. Schubiner.
Everything is going well and I think I did a great mental proccess but not I tried to get back to (quite gentle) physical training (doing some very light weight lifting), and I sensed some pain :(
I feel I want to take another step torward normal life and this pain does the exact opposite and bring down again and raises doubts...
Do anyone has a tip on how to get back to normal training and overcoming the TMS pain?
Thanks in advance,
Noam.
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Edited by - monta on 12/01/2010 04:17:50 |
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Darko
Australia
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Posted - 12/01/2010 : 04:49:25
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Hi Monta,
When I have heaps of pain I just kick back and stop resisting it and start looking at the real issues and what I'm thinking/focusing about. I don't try and pressure myself into doing something if it causes me extreme constant pain as I can't help but focus on it. When I feel that I've become present to my mind and emotions then I'll take a pain killer and just get on with it. I use the pain as a guide to get present and I don't really see the sense ignoring it and trying to carry on without actually looking for the cause of the pain.
This is my approach and works for me.....you may find it better to push through it. I have also done this in the past, but what i think is important is that you take each symptom/pain episode as it comes and not apply a fixed procedure to every occurrence. TMS is very dynamic so we also need to be.
Remember to take small steps and don't over do it otherwise you'll have lots of setbacks. Be happy with your current activity and don't get into the trap of constantly pushing through your pain as that will actually have you focusing on your pain (checking if this or that hurts) and not your emotional/mental activity.
My 2 cent worth
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monta
Israel
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Posted - 12/01/2010 : 05:01:46
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Thank you very much Darko.
I think I understand what you mean...
It's just that the program that I'm doing now encourages to face 'triggers' rather than avoid them and for me doing some physical training (such as light push-ups or light weight lifting) was a major trigger I was afraid facing and now that I did and I felt pain brought me down a little bit.
And I couldn't find a good
But as you suggested I'm trying not to put my mind into it and trying to find some underlying mental cause for the pain (although I'ts really difficult...) |
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tennis tom
USA
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monta
Israel
12 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2010 : 08:22:04
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Thanks Tom I will (hopefully today!) and reply,
But I think my personal problem is not knowing whether my life is stressful because I know I'm in stress.
I've read Sarno's book and reading now another TMS book with a 28-days program.
The thing is, that I just can't get rid of the fear of harming myself. I want to, but it's so difficult.
if I work to much on a computer and get a little stiffness or if I do some push-ups and get minor pain in my wrists and elbows, I get scared and worried- What will happen to me? will I loose my job?
That fears (especially loosing my job) is a major setback for me.
How do I get over it?? how do I stop the fear? (and doubt).
Thanks in advance,
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Edited by - monta on 12/01/2010 08:36:16 |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2010 : 10:14:12
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Just keep reading the books because all the answers to your fears are in them. There's also a TMS therapist in Israel if you need help.
As far as hurting yourself by keyboarding, Dr. Sarno recounts in the old day of typing, typists would go all day on manual typewriters and carpal tunnel was NON-EXISTENT! You may injure your hands if they are run over by a truck or you fall off a roof and land on them, but I doubt you can hurt them by keyboarding too much. Your muscles would spasm first and stop you from continuing the activity. Like the spine, the hands are STRONG. I've read many success stories here of folks who've had "carpal tunnel"/TMS, got over it almost immediately after accepting TMS theory and continued key-boarding late into the night.
As far as your fear of push-ups, I've been hobbling around for 15 years on my arthritic hip, playing tennis everyday--as I'm about to in an hour--and it hasn't collapsed yet.
Although you know you are in stress, it may help to identify the exact areas by looking at the Holmes-Rahe list. When you feel the pain/fear shift your thoughts and try to face your identified emotional issues head-on. Try to fix them or accept them.
The TMS gremlin is just doing it's job of distracting you through FEAR and benign pain. The gremlin wants to prevent/protect you from having to deal with even more painful emotional issues--it's called a defense mechanism. Can't blame the little bugger for doing it's job, it could probably go on 92 weeks of paid um-employment if it wanted to.
DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6415
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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ecpasos
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2010 : 13:01:40
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Hello,
Dr Shubiner answered a similar question from someone else. I'm not going to post his entire answer as it is lengthy, but I'll summarize.
He said that the first step is to get the correct diagnosis. Get examined to ensure there's no neurological damage. See a TMS Physician if at all possible to solidify in your mind the TMS diagnosis. When you are certain you have TMS, then you should not fear persuing excercise with vigor and certainty.
He also mentioned that pain is conditioned so you'll probably feel some pain for a while. I know that I did. It took about a week to have all the pain gone once I returned to using the keyboard and mouse. I sufferred from RSI in my hands and gradually got back to typing over a period of time. I basically reconditioned my mind to not feel pain when working on my PC.
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monta
Israel
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Posted - 12/03/2010 : 13:37:22
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Thank you very much for you replies Tom & ecpasos,
Tom- I took the stress test but my score wasn't extremely high.
But I'm now watching Sarno 12 daily reminders on a daily base.
I do read the books and doing the best as I can but it's just so frustrating that when I tried to take another step forward I ended up taking 2 step backward.
I read about conditioning and I understand this maybe the case, but the thing is that the relation is to strong and clear- I did push-ups and got pain- and no matter how much I tried to convince myself that it's nothing but just TMS, caused by my brain, I guess that my conscious mind just wouldn't believe me...
I think I did exclude a major ilness few years ago (about 5), when the symptoms first started.
The only thing they found was a "increased Light absorption" in a bone mapping in my right elbow and palm, but even the doctors said it's very common and shouldn't cause this much pain. They didn't find any serious condition.
I also read in Dr. Sarno's book that it's not a good idea to take those X-rays and bone mapping etc too seriously and that it can by itself increase TMS.
I also went to the 1 (the only one in Israel) 2 years ago but he didn't give me any new information unfortunately - he just asked me few questions and told me he assumes I have TMS although he didn't do any 'doctor' checkings. he just asked me the same questions you can find on any questionnaire.
There's an option that it has been changed during the years but I think it's VERY UNLIKELY.
The thing is that even that I sort of think that I'm a TMS case but I'm afraid that I'm not and when the pain appears after training/excessive computer work - the doubts and fear begins.
And maybe it's a vicious cycle by it self - the pain appears--> I get frightened that it wont go away --> I get mor fear and doubts that maybe, maybe.... it's not TMS.
What should I do?
Do you know maybe a TMS doctor that treat/ answear questions online?
Thanks in advance,
Noam.
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Originally posted by ecpasos
Hello,
Dr Shubiner answered a similar question from someone else. I'm not going to post his entire answer as it is lengthy, but I'll summarize.
He said that the first step is to get the correct diagnosis. Get examined to ensure there's no neurological damage. See a TMS Physician if at all possible to solidify in your mind the TMS diagnosis. When you are certain you have TMS, then you should not fear persuing excercise with vigor and certainty.
He also mentioned that pain is conditioned so you'll probably feel some pain for a while. I know that I did. It took about a week to have all the pain gone once I returned to using the keyboard and mouse. I sufferred from RSI in my hands and gradually got back to typing over a period of time. I basically reconditioned my mind to not feel pain when working on my PC.
EP
Enrique
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Plantweed
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Posted - 12/06/2010 : 12:09:05
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Originally posted by monta...no matter how much I tried to convince myself that it's nothing but just TMS, caused by my brain, I guess that my conscious mind just wouldn't believe me...
Stop TRYING. The pain is like the Wizard of Oz. Stop giving it power. To ignore it, and I mean really ignore it, is like deflating a balloon. I know that it's freakin' hard, and easy to say, when you have trouble just tying your shoelaces, but I know this, I was there. Now I work out 5 days a week, including circuit training and Iyengar yoga.
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Originally posted by monta...I get frightened that it wont go away --> I get mor fear and doubts that maybe, maybe.... it's not TMS.
Those doubts and fears are the problem, not the pain. The pain is a symptom of your anxiety and insecurity and obsession. Work on breaking the cycle. Get back to a "normal" physical routine, whatever that is for you. THAT'S the key. Do some new things to challenge yourself. I started riding a 500-lb motorcycle. For the first year my back would pinch like a sonofabitch over every bump, but I had so much fun I wouldn't let it win. Eventually I stopped having pain. It's great. No reason it can't work for you. |
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art
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Posted - 12/06/2010 : 14:19:33
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This is common among TMS'ers and in my unqualified opinion a form of OCD, which according to Sarno is a TMS equivalent (though I'd differ).
In any case, it's a bear. You might consider consulting a psychiatrist with a mind/body orientation. You can recover, but it's usually not going to be overnight.
GL.
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