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healingback
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 11/07/2010 : 09:59:50
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Ok so here I am again... here is my dilemma I'm 27 and up intill last december my life was cool... then I had a relatively minor car accident, minor that I walked out of it with abit of whiplast and very upset... there was a lot going around that time emotionaling, being pushed out my job, falling out with a friend etc...
Before I tell you about the goings on after the crash I do remember having some very abrupt low back pain on three seperate occasions about a month before the crash, the sort of pain when I had to sit down right away....
So after the car crash around 5 days later the lower back pain started... in short after many treatments I got told I had sacroiliac joint dysfuntion... I would do to the osteopath he would work on me and id feel good for a couple of days... id go back again and same thing would happen...on the fifth time I went back he said that typically he would fix this problem in a couple of sessions, he said if he was to force the joint he believed I would metaphorically 'break' he was very much into the alternative side of things and said that I should look into the emotional aspect... at the time I thought 'thats great but please fix my back first then I can deal with the emotional issues'
I then went onto another osteo, which may or may not of been a bad move... I'll let you decide... the next osteopath was very old school, he said I did indeed have sacroiliac joint dysfuntion, but I was also 'hypermobile'... in the majority of my joints... having since been to a hypermobile specialise I know this to be true, but the only trouble I have had is with the si joint....
This osteo, said I was like a 'rag doll' he suggested I by a si joint belt to hold the joint in place... this didn't help at all... I then researched intill I came across prolotherapy.. a dextrose injection to strenghen the ligaments which then hold the joint in place... I start in may its now november and I've had 8 lots of prolotherapy so far... I did notice an improvement and apparently the joint was tightening up nicely... that was intill last week when I went back for my 8th lot... he said the joint had go alittle looser again... he didn't explain why...
My problems with believeing its tms is the fact of the diagnosis of hypermobility... but then why did I not suffer before? The osteo believes that the crash knocked out the allignment of the sacroiliac joint... and now if won't hold cos of the hypermobility? So where those few pains I had before the crash hypermobility too? Is it just a coincendence I had the crash,,, would I of had the pain anyway?
I want to believe that it is tms as it would make sense to a lot of other issues I've had... crohns disease... remission for 13 years, eye problems, multiple food allergies which actually left about 3 months before the back pain, 8 years of agony if I eat so much of abit of toast and then suddenly gone... could the back pain be the tms equillivant?
I'm just thrown off with the hypermobility, but if its something I've had all my life... why now is it a problem? Id love to hear tmsers advice,,, I'm very confused at the moment...
Oh I also have read the dr sarnos books, been journelling etc... and I have tms personality a worrier, all or nothing type personality, like to be control etc...
I hope this sets off a thinking process for someone
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tennis tom
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Posted - 11/07/2010 : 10:51:19
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This is the TMS Help FORUM, therefore, not knowing you at all, the answer is you should have stuck with the first osteo who suggested investigating your emotions. He sounds like a wise doctor who understands the mindbody. Go back to your first osteo, or seek out some second and third opinions on "hypermobility". It sounds like hog-wash to me, but I don't know you so maybe yours is the very rare case. There's no way you can be properly dx'ed over the internet, but you asked for TMS opinions so that's what I'm offering up.
I've done a lot of sports and bodywork and never heard of "hyper-mobility" being a problem. Some people's joints are tighter and some people's are looser. You're 27, if this was a congenital "problem" it would have probably manifested itself early in childhood. Your osteo put a powerful NOCEBO into your mindbody by conjuring up "hypermobility" as the problem. If anything, hypermobility is a sought after trait, witness all the Yoga and Pilates in the last few decades.
Prolotherapy is qauckery, injecting sugar water into your joints. Any benefits would be placebo.
If the SI joint belt you mentioned is like the ones you see on a lot of workers, studies have shown they do nothing. Read Dr. Sarno and you will learn the back is STRONG!
As I mentioned in a previous reply, whip-lash exists in Finland but not in neighboring Lithuania because in the later country there is no monetary court rewards for it, so no one gets whiplash.
Keep reading Dr. Sarno, the answers to all your questions are in the books, videos and Audiobooks.
DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6415
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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Edited by - tennis tom on 11/07/2010 11:11:03 |
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healingback
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/07/2010 : 11:09:37
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Hi again Tom... the hypermobility is the main cause for my 'questioning' both osteos mentioned my flexibleness... the first said I was very flexible. .. the other hypermobile....
Me being an personal trainer am very physical minded. .. although I do believe strongly in the mind body connection. I did ALOT of research on hypermobility and si joint problems. .. I read some awful storys that people ended up in wheelchairs cost their joints couldn't stabilize them.... then the second osteo even said "without the prolotherapy you'd be lucky not to end up in a wheelchair" nice eh?! Nocebo bug time? !...
Also Tom. I notice you comment on alot of post. .. how you doing? Are you a tms success? |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 11/07/2010 : 11:41:49
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If by success you mean do I look forward to living life then I would say yes. Do I participate in all the things I want to, then yes.
TMS is part and parcel of the "human condition" so until I check-out I don't think I can judge my over-all TMS success. I use TMS to successfully ward-off physical as well as emotional conditions that would have many in fear and running to the ER or having surgery.
On the tennis court, I get occasional pains, that I take cognizance of and shake-off as TMS moments. A few months ago I had a stiff left shoulder for several months. I could not put weight on it to get out of bed normally. It felt very "real" as in "overuse" perhaps from swimming. Most people would have gone to a doc for cortisone or maybe surgery as a quick-fix. It went away on it's own. I consider that a TMS success.
My "arthritic" right hip may not be TMS. I've had it for over a decade but play tennis most everyday. Two TMS docs have said my hip was arthritis and not TMS. Dr. Don Dubin, a noted TMS therapist I consulted with, said he doesn't always agree with the dx's of TMS physicians.
My hip doesn't prevent me from leading a fun, functional and rewarding life. It bothers others more than me, they have a tough time being beaten in tennis by someone who doesn't have a perfect gait. Not a day goes by that someone isn't touting hip-replacement surgery for me.
Surgery techniques are improving constantly and as I write this, there's a commercial on the telly, by some schister ambulance chasing law firm, announcing the recall of a hip-replacement implant, inviting those who have them to sue.
DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6415
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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Back2-It
USA
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Posted - 11/07/2010 : 14:33:30
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Healingback,
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I want to believe that it is tms as it would make sense to a lot of other issues I've had... crohns disease... remission for 13 years, eye problems, multiple food allergies which actually left about 3 months before the back pain, 8 years of agony if I eat so much of abit of toast and then suddenly gone... could the back pain be the tms equillivant?
Read HBP. Sarno talks about whiplash and how it effects people. I blame my protruding disc on falling backward out of a cargo van, even though I had not one bit of back pain from doing so. My problems started months later, when I was cracking from stressful things.
I want to believe TMS and/or anxiety is the root of my problems, too. It does make a lot of sense. Look at the situations you listed. I want to believe (and am getting there) that TMS is causing my back to ache, my side to hurt and my chest to feel pressure. I was just out in the garage doing some projects and I said to myself: how could I be doing this, bending over and such, when I have a disc the size of a frisbee protruding near my spinal canal. I'm thrown off by the MRI that shows that, and possible scar tissue and visible hernias but I am not really convinced they are causing my pain.
I am so tensed up in the physical sense over being worried about pain and discomfort if I do anything, it will take some time to recondition myself.
I'm telling you it is my experience that doctors are guessing more often than not about the spine.
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Darko
Australia
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Posted - 11/08/2010 : 16:29:52
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Healingback,
I had a quick read of your post......I'm just very busy at the moment and haven't been around much. But I wanted to post you......and I'll be straight. Please don't think I'm being abrasive it's just that I don't have time....ok? So from what I read it sounds like you're all over the shop. You're flip flopping around buying into this BS or that BS.....asking some twat who has ZERO understanding of the condition to comment and diagnose you! Would you go and see a electrician if you have mechanical issue with your car??? NO! You keep posting here asking us to convince you of something you aren't sure you believe. The only person that can do that is YOU my friend!
Stop fluffing around.......I was a big fluffer so I can see a fluffer from a mile away......or about 10,000 miles around as in your case.
Everyone has a different journey, and maybe you need to explore the physical for the next 10-20 years, get no real improvement before you buy into TMS. Your mind is one massive BS producing machine, and you keep buying into it, hence all your dis-ease. Understand that the mind does not want you to be free of this because it thinks it's doing the right thing by you.....you have to get control of that rubbish and start to CONFRONT what is going on in your head and your emotions.........PLAIN and SIMPLE. How could we have so many physical issues at our age, it doesn't make sense. It's stress and anxiety!
One more thing. Which belief serves your better? Physical issues or TMS? I chose TMS and it's a better option for me....you also need to choose.
I have been confronting what is going on in my mind hard for about the last two months.....and I have had foot pain for the last 6 weeks, never had it before! My mind if fighting for control and it knows it's losing so it tries to mix it up. Go and stand in front of the mirror and scream at yourself. Your either get this rubbish under control or life will suck.....it's that simple :-)
Don't expect to heal over night, just like it's unwise to expect to get rich over night.......it's all the learnings you pickup on the journey that are important, same with TMS. Learn about yourself and the skills you need and then you'll be free.
Just smile and say f**K it, cause it'll all work out in the end
D
Oh and one more, one more thing! If you want a result you'll need to take action. Post what action you are going to take and let us know what result you get from it. You're thinking too much....START DOING, change the way you think. |
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healingback
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/08/2010 : 22:59:05
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Originally posted by Darko
Healingback,
I had a quick read of your post......I'm just very busy at the moment and haven't been around much. But I wanted to post you......and I'll be straight. Please don't think I'm being abrasive it's just that I don't have time....ok? So from what I read it sounds like you're all over the shop. You're flip flopping around buying into this BS or that BS.....asking some twat who has ZERO understanding of the condition to comment and diagnose you! Would you go and see a electrician if you have mechanical issue with your car??? NO! You keep posting here asking us to convince you of something you aren't sure you believe. The only person that can do that is YOU my friend!
Stop fluffing around.......I was a big fluffer so I can see a fluffer from a mile away......or about 10,000 miles around as in your case.
Everyone has a different journey, and maybe you need to explore the physical for the next 10-20 years, get no real improvement before you buy into TMS. Your mind is one massive BS producing machine, and you keep buying into it, hence all your dis-ease. Understand that the mind does not want you to be free of this because it thinks it's doing the right thing by you.....you have to get control of that rubbish and start to CONFRONT what is going on in your head and your emotions.........PLAIN and SIMPLE. How could we have so many physical issues at our age, it doesn't make sense. It's stress and anxiety!
One more thing. Which belief serves your better? Physical issues or TMS? I chose TMS and it's a better option for me....you also need to choose.
I have been confronting what is going on in my mind hard for about the last two months.....and I have had foot pain for the last 6 weeks, never had it before! My mind if fighting for control and it knows it's losing so it tries to mix it up. Go and stand in front of the mirror and scream at yourself. Your either get this rubbish under control or life will suck.....it's that simple :-)
Darko, lack of time or not on your end you indeed hit the nail on the head... I am a huge fluffer, I'm also the most indesisive woman your ever meet... so decide between which route to take (and fully) is not an easy task.
When I post here I'm not looking for anyone to diagnose me, I know you guys aren't doctors , but I was hoping that I would come acroass someone who's been through exact hypermobile, ligaments not holding joints in place crap as well, and for them to them to say 'ive been there, it is tms'... although since chatting to to a fellow hypermobile and tms follower I'm having to agree that hypermobility is a genetic component in our bodies, however I've never had an issies before with joints so therefore I believe that tms in some form has aggravated the condition and has cleaverly chosen my most hypermobile area... what a bastard!
For me it serves me better to believe it tms, as it makes sense, I'm the woman that's gets everything, my friends just nod there head in amazement when I tell them I've got something else... since I was 13, after my brother died, I've had one after another, get rid of one thing be ok for a few months then bang enough thing turns up. Most things last an average of 6 months now but this back thing is hanging around which I think puts questions into my mind of can I beat it....
I feel that emotionally I'm a mess, although to others I'm very in control, I'm the sensible one... my dilema is with still having the prolotherapy, I went last week and in my head told myself id make it my last session and really get to work on beleieving tms... then the spanner was thrown in the works and my specialist told me the joint had loosened, and that i d need to come back before a month this time as the injections work closer together... so now I am in a pickle, I've already spent over a grand on the injections alone and I don't want to stop now if there's a chance that it will take effect... p.s I have had partial success, and I've also spoken to others who have been successful ... physical or tms?!
Because I'm an impatient person the tms waiting would probably be enough to have me doubting myself... if I didn't see change right away... did I mention I hate making decisions?
Don't expect to heal over night, just like it's unwise to expect to get rich over night.......it's all the learnings you pickup on the journey that are important, same with TMS. Learn about yourself and the skills you need and then you'll be free.
Just smile and say f**K it, cause it'll all work out in the end
D
Oh and one more, one more thing! If you want a result you'll need to take action. Post what action you are going to take and let us know what result you get from it. You're thinking too much....START DOING, change the way you think.
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healingback
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Posted - 11/08/2010 : 23:03:25
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Whoops not sure what happened there my reply is under the paragragh ,,, last work simple... seems to of crept in on yours!
That's what you get for writing on you phone at 6am lol |
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