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saralou
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 Posted - 06/24/2010 : 04:14:59
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About 3 months ago i was told i needed 2 of my mercury fillings replaced in molars and also another new filling in back molar. I opted for the white fillings to avoid mercury and also for cosmetic reasons. the first 2 fillings didn't go to well so trasferred to another dentist who did the 3rd white one.She adjusted the other 2 and in the end took one out and replaced it with a sedative filling. However this is failing now and the tooth has died and i need a root canal. What worries me is the other 2 fillings are still not right either so i'm scared i will need root canals and crowns on these too. The cost implication scares me and also i'm quite vain about my teeth and looks and am only 36. I think i have had tms before..unexplained back pain, carpel tunnel (that went away), lower stomach pains, shoulder pains etc..but this is totally new.I am diabetic type 1 so i think thats added to my health anxieties as once before i was 'properly' ill
i would like to believe it's something new to grab my attention so to speak but how can u 'think' u'r teeth into dying???
any info or ways i can try and help myself would be most grateful as i feel this is taking over my life and finding it hard to do anything or think about anything but teeth!!
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susan828
USA
291 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2010 : 14:03:17
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Hi Sara. I have tremendous problems with my teeth also, some may be TMS but some have been very real. The most important thing is to have a dentist that you can trust with an excellent reputation and perhaps get a second opinion from an endodontist. They can do tests to see the viability of the pulp of the tooth. They can also see changes on the x-ray. I also worry more about the cost than the actual root canal procedure, since I have had about 8 done and it's not painful.
I have obsessed about my teeth for many years, every twinge gives me panic of what is to come, a toothache being my biggest fear, or them not being able to find a cause. Do you have an endodontist you can see? I don't know if you live in a small town or a place where you can choose. Ask around. Ask your dentist how he/she knows that the nerve is dead or dying, get it clarified. You can't "think" your teeth into dying...it's something physiological. |
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saralou
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Posted - 06/24/2010 : 15:25:40
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hi susan
yes i work opposite a university dental school and saw an oral surgeon and top dental radiographer last week. the reults are not totally conclusive as it is not 100% obvious by xray even thou it's started 3months ago. they did cold and electric test and said tooth didn't respond but i've tried ice on it at home and do have some feeling to it?? i went back to dentist today and she can't believe how it's got to this as she said filling was small (i trust this dentist as she's quite experianced and came recommended and not the original dentist who did the first filling in this tooth!) i'm seeing a ent dr next week as it has suspicons of sinus involvement as well with pressure in cheeks etc... i'm thinking it's tms as the other filling the opposite side is starting to play up too so either that or i'm really unlucky!
i think also for me it's grabbed my attention and i can't think about anything else..as u say cos of finacial aspect and also how the teeth will look crowned etc..i've always been told i had lovely teeth too and now i feel like the are going to get ruined :-(
i just wish i could stop thinking about it for a while but when u'r in pain how do u switch off...
anyway thanks for the reply
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susan828
USA
291 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2010 : 17:46:01
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| I am also seeing an ENT dr. next week! My upper teeth are killing me at times...then it goes away. If I press by my nose or even if I don't, it hurts. So I want my sinuses evaluated. I also clench at night...TMJ. I think about this all the time also and when I don't, one twinge of pain and I get anxiety all over again. It's really hard living like this, I totally understand. You sound like you have competent people working with you. I am at the point where I wouldn't mind if they just pull them. This way I wouldn't have to worry. I have old root canals that are probably going bad even though they can't see it on the x-ray and crowned teeth that are sensitive to cold. There is hardly a corner of my mouth not in pain at times but it's intermittent so they can't find out why. Please post what happens at the ENT, ok? I will too. Living like this gets one down!! |
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saralou
39 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2010 : 23:56:24
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omg susan my nose hurts on the sides too..the one side in particular and now the other side is starting...sounds like we have very similar thing going on. I think i have started clenching too as i wake up and feel teeth toeghter...i don't know if i've always done it or not. or am i noticing now? it seems my recent dental work has upset balance of mouth even thou dentist said all teeth touch fine and fillings weren't too high. i think one side of mouth shuts more than other...but i don't know if it's always been like that or not it might have as i have a wisdom tooth thats higher on one side than the other. maybe it's just as it's chnaged now and i'm anxieous it's messed up so u get vicious circle of pain/clenching every night. i might get nightguard but some people say they promote clenching and u should try and find root cause of it in anxieites for it to stop.
anyway i'll let you know what happens...maybe we can figure this out somehow? |
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walnut864
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Posted - 06/25/2010 : 23:15:47
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This is so weird that this topic even came up.
I just recently started having weird pains on the top right side of my head, same pain in the back of my neck right side, stabbing ear pain that comes and goes, a slight pain in my teeth that move around. Could be my lower right molar then a few minutes later it be my top left molars.
I went to the dentist bc it was time for a cleaning. I had him look at my right bottom molar. I had a root canal on it 17 years ago and sometimes the crown starts to leak. I guess saliva gets up in there and comes back out causing a nasty taste and smell.
Well I was having some weird taste. The dentist took some xrays, did a nice cleaning and told me he seen nothing dental that would cause headaches.
I tried to let it go but all I can taste is that dang crown! He said he seen no signs of it leaking. My mouth is watering way more than normal. I believe my mouth watering is bc my mind is almost obsessed with my teeth at the moment, especially after I read about mercury amalgam. I tried to comfort myself with the fact that my mom has amalgam and has had them for years and has no adverse health affects. Its so hard for me to take my attention away from stuff once I get started. Its almost automatic. Sometimes I feel I cannot control the worries. I dont choose to worry about things. It seems a part of my mind has a mind of its own?! does that make sense? Like there is another part of my mind that seems to worry alot and actively gets my attention.
Weird that my teeth bothered me about a week before you posted this.
Also, I have a window air conditioning unit in my kitchen window. It was making some noise. So I took it apart to see what was going on. Turns out, it hadn't been draining. It had this thick light yellow film in th bottom of the unit. Kinda looked like tapioca pudding. Also had a little bit of mildew. I sleep on the couch and the a/c unit blows directly toward me when I sleep and Im about 26 foot away from the a/c unit. I kinda wondered if the a/c unit was what was making me sick. Maybe sinuses. I am no stranger to sinus problems and these headaches arent like anything Ive ever noticed and these random stabbing inner ear pains? No clue what they are.
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saralou
39 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2010 : 05:01:05
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hi walnut..
it does sound like sinuses might be involved but i think sarno says this is a mind bosy issue too?? unless u've got some kinda of infection from the aircon unit.
as for the crown..is it amalgam, porcelin or gold? i didn't think things were supposed to go up into a crown and come back out..if i were you maybe i'd check with another dentist about the crown then if says it's fine too then you have to believe them i guess and work on the fact maybe as your thinking about it so much you are focusing in on it.
anyway i've still got toothache today. i think the one tooth is going to get root canalled next week as it's pretty dead or dying (no cold or electirc response) but i think my new filling the other side that is going the same way might be tms as i'm soo upset about 2 teeth that were seemingly fine a few months ago getting this bad after some small fillings.
let us know how it goes.. |
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Wavy Soul
USA
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Posted - 06/27/2010 : 00:29:16
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I had this experience of root canals about 15-20 years ago after I had my fillings changed. In retrospect it looks to me like it was a fear reaction.
Then again in recent years, which I have documented somewhere on this forum, I had another round in which I had 16 teeth porcelain veneered because they needed it, and then I started having mysterious pain syndrome that was wild, wild, wildly intense.
At the time I was teaching a seminar in which I was including information about TMS, so every day I repeated that what I was experiencing was not really a physical thing, even though it was a very impressive "special effect." It seemed as though I was really pushing it to say this, but the situation made me go for the highest thought, even though I was needing codeine to function. Dentists wanted to give me all kinds of million-dollar splints, etc., to fix it, or they said "we've never seen this before."
Anyway, the pain completely disappeared the day I got home from the seminar. Completely - after about 6 weeks of hell. In one moment, gone. Never again. I believe that it was from how much I denied it permission to be accepted as a truly "real" physical manifestation even though as I said, it was a convincing-seeming one.
Now I wish I had had such insight and tools available years ago when I had the similar experience with the mercury removal etc.
So I can't tell you what to do (saralou) but it might be really good to do some TMS work around this. You used the words worry and anxiety in your post, and that's really what is manifesting I imagine.
much love xx
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
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saralou
39 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2010 : 04:34:00
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thanks for responding wavy soul..i've read your teeth posts about your teeth/bite feeling off etc and all the pain. the thing that scares me this real pain is there is a lump at the top of my gum above the tooth that is painful even thou they don't seem to know what it is as it's not typical of an abcess?? and because the tooth on opposite side with new filling feels the same am scared am in for a double root canal/crowns etc which will mess bite up even more :-(
am feeling sick with worry about it all plus i think my dentist thinks i'm nuts!!!
anyway am seeing ent dr on tues maybe he'll have some more ideas but am going to do some tms work on it.
thanks for your reply |
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susan828
USA
291 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2010 : 12:57:06
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| Hi saralou, I am also seeing an ENT on Tuesday, that's funny (well, not so funny to us :-) Please post what he/she says and so will I. I really want to know if it's my sinuses causing this tooth pain or my teeth. Bringing my MRI and dental x-rays and hope I get an answer. This is extremely painful and stressful. |
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saralou
39 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2010 : 13:16:17
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hi guys
have been going outta my mind worrying tonight...all my 3 new composite fillings hurt in some way or another..the two upper ones i think are failing and the lower one also hurts to chew :-(
i can't believe how bad i feel..i'm trying to thnik positive and go withtms approach but the pain seems so real and hurts more when i eat. just can't believe gone from perfect teeth to maybe needing 3 root canals :-(
just had massive argument with hubbie about it all too as he thinks all this is my fault as the dentist recommended amalgam fillings and i went with the white ones. so i'm getting blamed for it now too...he thinks i'm nuts too and it's all in my 'head'
also bit worried about this lump in gum that 2 dentist and oral surgeon can't seem to say what it is?
anyway will update about ent on tues
thanks for replying guys x |
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walnut864
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Posted - 06/27/2010 : 13:58:00
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| Allmy fillings are silver and my crown is made of silver metal. you are right, a crown is not suppose to leak but the adhesive t hat holds it on can get loose and allow saliva to go under the crown causing a nasty taste and smell when it omes back out from under the crown. |
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saralou
39 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2010 : 14:16:15
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| wavysoul..did your bite problems ever get sorted out. just wondering since i am focusing on that a lot too...think it's why i've started clenching so much. |
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Wavy Soul
USA
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 01:19:43
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STOP WORRYING RIGHT NOW OR I'LL COME OVER THERE AND SPANK YOU!!!
Come on friends - it's all made up. And even if there is a tiny bit of physical stuff, it's AMAZING what a body can repair and work around when it is humming with the chemicals of confidence, freedom, safety, and what it CAN'T deal with when fear and anxiety are running it.
No, I never got my bite problems sorted out even though I think I said that I was told I needed thousand of dollars of work (isn't that always the way?). Nothing. Nada. Never needed ANYTHING done since I got it through to myself that it was really just an "appearance."
even though I still go through stuff, I am quite convinced that this is the only way out of it all.
I'm going to post on the migraine thread a new article about fear and the body that I just got in a newsletter
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
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saralou
39 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2010 : 02:33:17
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i still finding it hard to think it's tms when it started with dental work..whats the best approach for me to take do u think? ignore it (which i've tried) jouralling?? my gums are all swollen today too...making me think physical :-(
but i guess i have been flosing and brushing a lot so could have caused that..feel like i'm going mad |
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Wavy Soul
USA
779 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2010 : 05:49:07
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All I can suggest is that you teach a week-long seminar about how the body does this kind of stuff, and tell them that you are demonstrating the principle. The day you get home, the pain will go away
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
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saralou
39 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2010 : 08:56:49
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have been challenging tooth pain today and eating what i want..crusty bread chocolate etc...seems ok apart from slight bit of pain on one filling but then pain starts about 5-10mins later on the other 2 upper fillings..which makes me wonder is some if eating takes my mind off pain but then brain remmebers a bit later oh yes was supposed to be hurting wasn't i??
seeing ent dr tomorrow so maybe if he knows what this lump is i'll feel better..think if he thinks teeth related thou will have a root canal this week as they seem to think the one tooth is dead form the cold/electric tests!! :-(( |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 09:30:25
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If you aren't taking any anti-anxiety meds, you may get some benefit from them to relieve the worry cycle you are caught up in. Ask the ENT for some, it's no big deal, just tell the doc there's a lot of stress full going on in your life. A small dose may help you take control back and get an over-view of all the stressful events you have been hit with, you're only 17!
Challenging the TMS gremlin is good. Chocolate and crusty bread sounds good, keep it up!
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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saralou
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 11:12:27
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hi tom
wish i was 17..i'm 36 lol :-)
have been thinking about anti anxiety meds but would rather try and do without them if i can. as i think that would make me feel even worse mentally that i would need to take drugs to get through the day.
thanks for input will see what he says tomorrow..if anything maybe i need muscle relaxant for face |
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Wavy Soul
USA
779 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2010 : 11:15:13
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yo Tennis Tom
Good to see you back here. x
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2010 : 12:45:25
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quote:
Originally posted by saralou
hi tom
wish i was 17..i'm 36 lol :-)
have been thinking about anti anxiety meds but would rather try and do without them if i can. as i think that would make me feel even worse mentally that i would need to take drugs to get through the day.
thanks for input will see what he says tomorrow..if anything maybe i need muscle relaxant for face
Ha Ha, sorry I got you mixed up with LindaLeyener. The good thing about TMS advice is that it is UNIVERSAL. Whatever the symptom, the cause is the same: THE HUMAN CONDITION.
If you are very anxious there is no shame in taking something for it. It has been found that small amounts of anti-depressants can help with TMS, which should seem obvious, given it's origin deep in the primitive areas of the psyche.
At times in my life I've taken Librium, Celexa and other anti-depressants and calming rx's for brief periods like a band-aid for the brain or in the name of TMS experimentation. I did have an adverse reaction to Lexapro.
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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