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tom1832
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 Posted - 01/12/2005 : 12:18:12
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Hey Everyone, I am wondering if anyone expierences pain or feels their pain being triggered by a loss in a train of thought. I feel sometimes if I forget what I was going to say, pain can be triggered. Also I find obsessive thougths can play a role in triggering pain. MY obsessive thoughts can be about anything, with that I usually obsess and repeat things over and over in my head until I feel my mind being right. IF my mind doesnt feel right, the pain may be triggered. Also my mind can feel totally right, and my pain can still be there, it doesnt make much sense.MY mind seems to never be able to shut off, I seem to obsess alot, it can be over a normal conversation i had with someone, my mind will obsess about it over and over again until it feels right. I know their are times when my pain is triggered from my mind, though their are times when my mind is right and pain occurs for no reason. IF anyone can relate to this or has expierenced the same occurence, please let me know. thanks. Also Baseball65, i read your response to my question, though I didnt get the (are you 173years old thing) lol. anyways thanks for responding, hope to hear from you soon. |
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Tunza
New Zealand
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Posted - 01/12/2005 : 12:51:36
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Hi Tom1832,
I guess Baseball65 was cheekily wondering if you were born is 1832. He's got a wicked sense of humour
Anyway you might like to try doing a search of the forum on the keyword "obsessive" and see what comes up. I recall several people mentioning that they had experienced OCD.
Don't get too hung up on the fact that sometimes your brain seems "right" and the pain still comes. According to Sarno you'll never fully know what's going on underneath in the unconscious mind. I know that sometimes you see the direct correlation between thoughts and pain. It makes sense that the tip of the unconscious stuff can sometimes be glimpsed by your conscious brain but other times you do not realise what's happening. I don't think I'm explaining it well so I'll try giving an example:
A couple of months ago my boyfriend Richard went away on a kayaking trip for a few days. Even though I don't actually mind him being away I have a hard time with his leaving (ie I know I'll be fine once he's gone but I don't like the time leading up to it). I know that this taps into my fear of abandonment. I feel how can he want to leave me? This is not in an egotistical way! I mean I do realise that it must be a bit of a rollercoaster living with me since I do have anxiety problems along with the pain.
Okay so I ramble, but what actually happened that night was that he had to leave in the early hours of the morning and when he woke me to say he was going I moved to get out of bed and see him off and the most excruciating sciatic pain went down my leg from my back and I struggled to get out of bed. What helped me stop that pain from becoming chronic was that I said out loud to him that my TMS had just responded to my anger at being abandoned by starting a whole new pain! It was so obvious that it was connected. I also had a lot of work stress and had been dreaming about work when he woke me up. So I think it was a combination. Especially because for about a week I got little niggles of that pain back when I was going into work but they would fade when I reminded myself what was going on.
So that's one where I knew what the connection was. But there are so many times in our life that we're not going to be able to know what things are "filling our reservoir of rage". Even in the above example I'd picked those 2 things but there would've been other things as well. An example I can think of is people who have problems when they become parents. They might resent the changes in their lives that are caused by having a child but they might love that child so much that they would never admit to themselves the conflict they feel. It would make them feel selfish and like bad parents to admit that there were some things about their pre-child life that they missed.
Just some thoughts.
Kat
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Ginag
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Posted - 01/12/2005 : 13:23:01
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| Tom1832 - Several years ago, while listening to Howard Stern (the King of all Media) on the radio, he stated that he had success with Dr. Sarno's theories regarding OCD. He admitted to his listeners that he suffers with OCD and highly respects Dr. Sarno. Just thought that would be encouraging to you |
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Hilary
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/12/2005 : 18:24:48
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Good examples, Kat. In therapy I started to get an inkling of how many and varied and illogical hidden are the many things we can get angry at. The important thing is to keep practising non-judgement of the anger. I left New York earlier this year, and it wasn't until this month (thanks to Sarno) that I started to realize that I was actually angry at my friends there for allowing me to leave - despite the fact that it was my choice to do so! In a strange way, I felt abandoned by them although I'd actually left them. Like, if they'd loved me more wouldn't they have tried harder to make me stay? (
I think I feel some level of anger most of the time. I realized this when I read what Dr Sarno says about anger and anxiety being intimately related. Given that I am anxious most of the time, I figure that the anger must be lurking very close by!
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Originally posted by Tunza
A couple of months ago my boyfriend Richard went away on a kayaking trip for a few days. Even though I don't actually mind him being away I have a hard time with his leaving (ie I know I'll be fine once he's gone but I don't like the time leading up to it). I know that this taps into my fear of abandonment. I feel how can he want to leave me? This is not in an egotistical way! I mean I do realise that it must be a bit of a rollercoaster living with me since I do have anxiety problems along with the pain.
Okay so I ramble, but what actually happened that night was that he had to leave in the early hours of the morning and when he woke me to say he was going I moved to get out of bed and see him off and the most excruciating sciatic pain went down my leg from my back and I struggled to get out of bed. What helped me stop that pain from becoming chronic was that I said out loud to him that my TMS had just responded to my anger at being abandoned by starting a whole new pain! It was so obvious that it was connected. I also had a lot of work stress and had been dreaming about work when he woke me up. So I think it was a combination. Especially because for about a week I got little niggles of that pain back when I was going into work but they would fade when I reminded myself what was going on.
So that's one where I knew what the connection was. But there are so many times in our life that we're not going to be able to know what things are "filling our reservoir of rage". Even in the above example I'd picked those 2 things but there would've been other things as well. An example I can think of is people who have problems when they become parents. They might resent the changes in their lives that are caused by having a child but they might love that child so much that they would never admit to themselves the conflict they feel. It would make them feel selfish and like bad parents to admit that there were some things about their pre-child life that they missed.
Just some thoughts.
Kat
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Baseball65
USA
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Posted - 01/12/2005 : 20:36:36
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Hi Tom..
The joke about 173 years old was because of 1832.....a lot of suffixes to names on these forums are our birth years...internet humour!!(baseball65....also Sandy Koufax threw a no-hitter the month I was born)
Anyways...I also suffer(ed) from OCD which has a component similar to the one you describe,i.e. going over coversations over and over in my head until It's "right"...re-checking and double-checking thoughts,actions,rituals...etc.
It's very similar to TMS...a distraction so you don't focus on the TRUE state of your emotions.
When my TMS was in full swing,my OCD had the pain to obsess on......it was continuous from sunrise to bedtime without a break.
all of us have similar symptomology,both physical and mental,and of course variations plus and minus.
you are definitely part of the tribe.
welcome again.....
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anyone with similar expierence
