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mala
Hong Kong
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 Posted - 12/02/2009 : 18:02:27
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Hi all
I haven’t posted much these last few months as I have not been well & also becoz I am confused. I don’t know what to do so maybe some input from the rest of you might help. I have had back problems for a long time now nearly 10 years. There have been periods when I have been pain free but for the last year the back pain has persisted and now I have also got knee pain. In fact I have a bunion on the left big toe, tight & inflamed calf muscles, knee pain, very sore & inflamed tendons on the inner thigh and lower back all on the same side. When I walk, my back, hip & knee really hurt.
As some of you may know I was also in hospital for 6 days recently with unspecific colonitis & bleeding in the colon.
Here are some other problems. Uterine fibroids. I had 7 removed 10 years ago. The largest at the time was 11 cm. They have come back.
There is also a 6 cm cyst on my right ovary.
My blood cholesterol is high.
To top things I just found out that I have osteopenia (increased risk of osteoporosis) in my lower back & right femur.
Now some of this might be TMS but not all.
I have had to start doing more exercise especially weight bearing ones to build up my bone density . My trainer like most did a postural exam and went into great detail about the importance of good posture, imbalance in muscles etc etc. It’s hard to ignore all that stuff even though Sarno insists that we should.
Any thoughts from anyone please .
Good Luck & Good Health
Mala |
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skizzik
USA
783 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2009 : 21:17:57
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Mala, that sux. I hate that someone who has pushed so hard thru tms still suffers.
I too have pain (nothing like I used too) and wonder why?
I think that those who were cured before and relapse have it harder.
Because they know to push thru and they will be okay. I think we know that fear and worry are the two big "fuelers" of tms.
Once they are dealt with, and the person doe'snt fear them anymore, the pain dissapates.
Aha, then what of the relapsers, who have no fear, and push thru the pain day after day, can see tms in others but wonder why they still suffer, whats they're tms fuel?
I believe lately that it's "frustration".
I think "frustration" is tms gasoline. The less you have, the less octane it has.
How to solve "frustration"? Heck if I know.
I can only assume "time". Allow the pain to become background noise for a long period of time, then add some more time, and then more. And perhaps in hindsight you'll look back and see life has gotten better. Way better.
Frustrating, I know 
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mala
Hong Kong
774 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2009 : 17:49:45
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I too have pain (nothing like I used too) and wonder why?
Hey Skizz. First up I am really glad that your pain is less. Can you pinpoint the one thing that was most important that helped in reducing the pain?
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I think that those who were cured before and relapse have it harder.
I have my own ideas about this. I think that when we first read about TMS it has a major impact on our subconscious. We are so relieved that there is a way out of the pain and this in my opinion is what causes sudden relief from pain. It is a placebo effect and I know many people will disagree with me on this one. The initial effect wears off and then the pain comes back. It is harder the second time round coz now your subconscious is already aware of what you are trying to do and resists it so you have to dig deeper & deeper.
Of course in my case now with so many other problems cropping up it is getting more & more difficult to know what is TMS & what isn't.
It can be dangerous to attribute everything to TMS.
I still go around doing everything as normally as possible. I don't always enjoy it because of the pain but that's the way it is.
I am also thinking seriously about doing Dr. Schubiner's on line course.
Big time Frustrating 
Good Luck & Good Health
Mala |
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skizzik
USA
783 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2009 : 08:15:46
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if I was gonna pinpoint the one thing, it would be two things. Ergo the two pillars of treatment mentioned in Sarno lit.
You already have the physical thing licked because I know you walk the walk everyday like I do. I think what helped me the most on this side was Hellny's approach. I did hillbilly's approach for a long time, and the problem there for me was that while I agree with everthing he has to say, hillbilly is so damn motivating (invite the pain etc) that to a perfectionist student like myself I wanted to succeed fast and post my success story here (because I'm wrapped up in what others think of me, more on that later) so I had high expectations.
Of course high expectations are fuel for frustration and see above. After talking to Hellny, well, this chap spun my mind with scientific words, and terms that I knew he must know what he's talking about. So I waited for the answer, and it's drum roll please....... "do nothing".(In a nutshell of course lol). Or simply not care. Take your pills, wear your heat pad, whatever, just don't care.
And for me, the missing link seems to be, ok, yeah I don't care, but.....................................I seem to be obsessed with what others think of me or my tms.
In other words, I care not of my own pain, but what others think of me being in pain. What others think of me period. For a long time I was obsessed with getting better and posting a success story and being the next baseball65. And I feel it's orgins are rooted in me being neglected by my dad growing up and wanting praise now.See my ufc thread for how I think Tito ortiz is tortured by this.
Now, that's just me, I feel that men who have been neglected by their dad's get tms, because deep down we're searching for that next attaboy from our peers to fill that void, the void is never satiated. And then the treatment would be Eckart Tolle's simply realize the ego and it's motivation and you will heal.
What causes Tms in women, I don't know, but with dudes it seems to relate to self esteem issues with the father. I now understand my dad and have compassion for him because he wanted to be so successful due to his own childhood neglect that he kept putting off family life while he strived at work, and when he reached that level of success it wouldve all been worth it and then he could be a dad. But of course, that level always moved higher and that dad never came. And Dr. Schubiner pointed out I'm doing the same thing when I'm seeking the attaboys and ignoring my kids.I was perplexed when he said that, afterall I at least live with them and tuck em in everynight. But the more I thought about it the more I realized I stressed when I feel I haven't reached a level of success in my life and I'm not worthy yet to be a dad to my kids. God, I could go on for ever.
Flybynight told me all kids need is love. And it's so true. Wether I lose my job, get fat or ugly or poor, all my kids need is my love. Ahhhhh....so refreshing to think that.
Having said all that, I have been considering Jungian therapy lately as Kjarvis recconded to me. Jung was a decendent of Frued but with a positive spiritual twist. Perhaps he fills the Tms Gap that so many find between Sarno and Frued. (How do you spell freud? Freaud? I'm on a blackberry so I can't look it up right now...haha)
Anyways, all of the above helped get me from beside my self pain to annoying pain. I feel if it was a simple matter of walking the walk without fear however, the pain woul've subsided long ago. Heck, I'm going on a three year relapse lol. But after my book cure, previously, I think I was already mentally unstressed at that time. I had accepted I had a bad back, that I would give up my sports and fitness goals in life and be a dad and go to work and get paid. I'll simply stretch, and take otc's. Then I found Sarno and cared less about the pain. A year later I was a gym rat and people were impressed with how big I wass getting, and my ego took off. I felt the lower back was indestructible and did deadlifts and squats adnauseum. Then my world crumbled when I got in troub le at work. The pain came back after a tough workout. And I guess I couldn't be a dad again till I recovered in the gym fully and kicked tms's ass. All building resistence to my goal of being pain free.
I could feel the pain coming back though little by little in hindsight as I ignored my kids more and more while becoming he-man. I'm sure I'll write more later.
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altherunner
Canada
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Posted - 12/04/2009 : 21:18:20
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Sorry to hear you are still in pain. A year ago, I was diagnosed with high cholesterol and went on Crestor. I researched natural methods to lower it, and have been taking high doses of niacin, and have stopped the Crestor. I feel much better, the Crestor made me ill, and can be dangerous for some. I read about the treatment in books by Andrew Saul and Abram Hoffer, and visited Hoffer's clinic.
You can also search orthomolecular medicine. The difference in how I feel, makes me think I was deficient in niacin. The only drawback for me with niacin was that the first few days I had the"niacin flush", but that stops. For cholesterol, you have can't use the no-flush type. Andrew Saul has a site called Doctor Yourself. |
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skizzik
USA
783 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2009 : 08:45:47
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Originally posted by skizzik
But after my book cure, previously, I think I was already mentally unstressed at that time. I had accepted I had a bad back, that I would give up my sports and fitness goals in life and be a dad and go to work and get paid. I'll simply stretch, and take otc's. Then I found Sarno and cared less about the pain.
I think this is where the relapsers/vets differ from newbies who get book cures. I think you get a book cure, when you've tried everything and finally accepted what you have, and will live life with what you have. Still you fear future back pain, but you get by with otc's, chiro's, pt's, etc.
Then you pick up the book as a referrel, or it's the next bad back book and the mentally relieving words jump out of the page. It's too good to be true of course, but he's so confident, he's an MD, he uses capital letters in his mantra, he demands no more physical help. Aw heck, it's all fanciful, but damned if you did'nt feel better. Then a month later you wonder how long youv'e been bending over to pick stuff up without the pain you used to have. You haven't touched tylenol, in hmmm a couple weeks? Hey, carseats don't freak me out like they used to, damn, theres something going on with that book and my mind.
Things are great, then the relapse. And you go back to the book hard, you will not accept a bad back, essay, journal, read, Just go away! It's the ultimate catch 22. Expectations, frustration. And you see 5 chiro's on the way to work, hear back pain relief on the radio, your newspaper is loaded with the dx9000 ads, and Sarno slowly takes a back seat. His book does'nt give the relief it once did. Now you begin to wonder if this time it's not tms. If it was, it would've gone away right? Then your'e not in the fear-pain cycle, but rather the fear-pain-expectations-frustrations-fear-pain cycle.
If only "time" could be capsulized and drank down. Time where you could not care, time where you could accept, time where you did'nt have to act normal in front of your kids, time where you could stay away from the tms forum, time to realize you've been doing everything and nothing got worse, I believe is the way.
I hope this helps, I was at the point where I could'nt think about anything else but the pain and avoided people cause I could'nt hear what they were saying over the pain. Now, it's more like a bugar on my finger that won't come off, but in time, with the same actions or inactions I've been doing, I'm assuming that bugar will dry over time and crackle off at it's own pace.
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mala
Hong Kong
774 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2009 : 03:11:47
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Hi altherunner. Thanks for the Niacin info. My mom actually took Niacin to reduce her cholesterol & it did work but only so long as she keeps taking it. She is also a great fan of oat bran & has that at least once a day.
Skizzik. thanks for all your input.
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Then you pick up the book as a referrel, or it's the next bad back book and the mentally relieving words jump out of the page. It's too good to be true of course, but he's so confident, he's an MD, he uses capital letters in his mantra, he demands no more physical help. Aw heck, it's all fanciful, but damned if you did'nt feel better. Then a month later you wonder how long youv'e been bending over to pick stuff up without the pain you used to have. You haven't touched tylenol, in hmmm a couple weeks? Hey, carseats don't freak me out like they used to, damn, theres something going on with that book and my mind.
Doesn't that sound like a Placebo ?
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Things are great, then the relapse. And you go back to the book hard, you will not accept a bad back, essay, journal, read, Just go away! It's the ultimate catch 22. Expectations, frustration. And you see 5 chiro's on the way to work, hear back pain relief on the radio, your newspaper is loaded with the dx9000 ads, and Sarno slowly takes a back seat. His book does'nt give the relief it once did. Now you begin to wonder if this time it's not tms.
Maybe it wasn't tms the first time round.
I guess I need a Dr. that will tell me for sure that I do have TMS.
I think I will do Dr. Schubiner's on line course & take it from there
Good Luck & Good Health
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Edited by - mala on 12/06/2009 06:40:13 |
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altherunner
Canada
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Posted - 12/07/2009 : 19:28:56
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| Mala - you may have some benefit in seeing a naturopathic doctor, or a nutrition consultant. Even if you eat well, sometimes something could be missing to trigger bone loss, high cholesterol,etc. They don't cause harm, like some traditional treatments. |
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