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scd1833
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 Posted - 08/07/2009 : 20:57:09
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is anyone else watching ABC's medical mysteries show tonight, the shows producer is John Stossel an avowed TMS'er. Most of the case studies reek suspiciously of TMS equivalents.
What gives? why he is skirting the tms issue?
anyone have any ideas on this? Stossel are you out there?
someone in his position could (and has) give a lot of credibility to the TMS cause, but maybe now that he's reached a position of authority at ABC, he doesn't want to rock the boat and appear to be touting some "crazy" theory about health and back pain.
btw, did you guys hear about the latest study in the news about spinal injection therapy for back pain?, NO DIFFERENCE in outcome between the actual therapy and a placebo injected into the spinal bones. |
Edited by - scd1833 on 08/07/2009 20:59:04 |
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SarnoFan
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drziggles
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Posted - 08/13/2009 : 14:00:32
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| Just to clarify things, this was a treatment for compression fractures in the spine, usually related to osteoporosis in the elderly, which is a legitimate structural cause of back pain. In this case, the lack of improvement doesn't indicate that the back pain is psychosomatic, rather that this particular treatment is probably not effective for treating the pain from these fractures, at least not moreso than placebo. |
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scd1833
USA
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Posted - 08/13/2009 : 16:32:40
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But the people receiving the placebo GOT BETTER! as frequently as the ones receiving the "real" treatment. what about that, Dr.Z??
and btw, not one person commented on the medical mysteries program and book, or John Stossel's role in perpetuating these myths.
I was initially "cured" of back pain by watching his report on sarno 10 years ago on 20/20, so I have a great deal of respect for him and his reporting, but it seems Barbara Walters (or another executive producer) might have him by the balls on this one and won't let him say what he really thinks. just a thought. |
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drziggles
USA
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Posted - 08/14/2009 : 13:36:19
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| you'd be hard pressed to find a study of any painful condition where the placebo group doesn't improve to some degree. just means our brains have a natural potential to help decrease pain of any source, which is activated by placebo as well as real treatment. doesn't indicate a psychological cause of the pain. |
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flutterby
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Posted - 08/14/2009 : 13:54:57
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Just to show how confusing these things can be, I have a compression fracture in my spine and I didn't realise I even had it till I fell about eight feet from a collapsing step ladder, straight onto it and the X-ray showed up an 'old fracture'! Then it hurt for two or three months (quite a lot!) but that was ten years ago and I've never felt it since!
I've always felt quite lucky that I had that altercation with the ladder as I wouldn't otherwise have known that I had osteoporosis, so I wouldn't have got on the medication, which apparently has done its job very well, according to my scans! |
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"medical mysteries"!?
