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Fox
USA
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 Posted - 06/19/2009 : 15:39:02
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| Is it worth the $250 for his online course? Is it just Sarno repackaged or is it more of a help with psychological self-analysis? |
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Webdan65
USA
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Posted - 06/22/2009 : 17:56:43
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I'm surprised so many people have read this post and haven't replied. I'm wondering if anyone has actually taken Shubiners course.
I have and I enjoyed it greatly. Speaking with Dr. Howard Schubiner has been somewhat of a turning point for me in beating last years bout of chronic pain.
Here's what you get. A 4 week program of lecture videos, Q&A, writing exercises, meditation. He provides a thorough outline and walk through of the various steps that are proven to work for his in person 4 week program. What you get online is the virtual experience of his live sessions.
You'll see him on video conducting his presentation. He'll walk you through the exercises and guide you through the process completely.
Yes, it is somewhat Sarno repackaged. However - here you get a TON of information on treating TMS. Sarno's treatment chapters in his books are notably short and often missing in actionable "stuff to do".
Schubiner fills in this gap with things to do to keep you moving.
I liked it and thought it was $250 well spent. Compare that with medical expenses. Hmmm... |
Edited by - Webdan65 on 06/23/2009 07:44:56 |
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pandamonium
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/23/2009 : 05:52:14
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Positivevibes was getting along great with his course. Haven't seen her on her for ages though.
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A beginner's guide to psychology: If it's not your mum's fault.... it's your dad's... |
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SarnoFan
USA
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Posted - 06/23/2009 : 07:44:34
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My son is currently enrolled in Dr. Shubiner's course, but he is not totally (or halfway) committed to the TMS diagnosis -yet. He is only 18 and has a recent herniation we are still treating physically, so it is difficult for him to immerse himself with Dr. Shubiner's course right now.
He has logged on a couple of times and has just started the journaling process which he found to be very theraputic, whether he has TMS or not.
My son also just saw a TMS doctor in our state and at this stage he was not able to rule out TMS or diagnose him as a TMS sufferer. We still need to go through with some physical tests and treatments.
Therefore, Dr. Shubiner's course would not help him until he can truly be diagnosed with TMS and then completely believe and commit to it.
I scanned through the course myself, because I am a TMS sufferer, and I think it is very well laid out and thorough. I have not gone through it as a 'student' so I cannot comment as to whether it would work for me or my son at this time.
I can also say that Dr. Shubiner responds quickly to his students inquiries and really cares about the individual. We have been communicating with him over the past month or so.
When TMS becomes my son's final diagnosis, I am sure this course will be really help him. The key is to believe the TMS diagnosis first. |
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PRCalDude
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Posted - 06/23/2009 : 16:40:45
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I'd be willing to pay the money if I had more evidence that it worked. The TMS doctors that haven't innovated beyond Sarno's original approach, like Dan said, leave much to be desired treatment-wise.
On another thread, John Accardi said that he signed up for the course, figured out everything revolved around subconscious programming, and then went and did everything by himself with the help of Kehoe's book. That doesn't scream the need for a $250 expenditure, IMO.
I've noticed that a lot of these TMS doctors are quick to take payment and not-so-quick to provide any actual guidance or help. I speak from personal experience having visited one a few times. The TMS diagnosis was a help, of course, but I was actually chastised by a particular doctor for doing my own theorizing about the actual treatment of TMS. I was only theorizing because of the lack of help I received from this doctor's particular protocol vs. the amount of money spent. |
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hambone
USA
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Posted - 06/23/2009 : 19:44:51
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YES Dr. Schubiner's course is definitely worth the money. I consider myself a TMS expert, having spent three months with Dr Sarno in 1983 and having had to beat back tms every few years. Webdan is right: the others, Sarno included, are dreadfully short on the specifics of what to do day to day to beat the syndrome. Schubiner is a breath of fresh air offering an entire ARSENAL of very specific, detailed tools to defeat the syndrome. He has worked long and hard on this program and gives personal advice which was KEY to me screwing up my courage to stare down the beast once more.
If you are motivated and have screwed up your courage to face the tms demon, this course is invaluable- it brings everything we know about the syndrome to bear on beating it to bloody pulp. 100 percent endorse.
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sarita
130 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2009 : 04:11:41
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prcaldude,
who was this tms doctor? people in this thread should know who to go to and who to avoid.  |
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PRCalDude
49 Posts |
Posted - 06/25/2009 : 15:25:39
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Originally posted by sarita
prcaldude,
who was this tms doctor? people in this thread should know who to go to and who to avoid.
Email me and I'll tell you. The guy is a Sarno protege and seems to be very good at diagnosing TMS but not so good at providing treatment. You'll sit waiting for him at his office for 1/2 an hour and then get 15 minutes with him and then get charged $90. Maybe I'm just angry about the fact that I received little day-to-day practical programming on how to get rid of the TMS for the money spent. Most doctors aren't any better at seeing patients. |
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walnut864
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Posted - 07/01/2009 : 11:56:42
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I enrolled in his online course and thought it was amazing!
If I remember correctly by the 2nd or 3rd day I was completely pain free, my fatigue vanished and I felt the way a 28 year old healthy man should feel. Sadly my freedom only lasted 1 week. It all came back 1 week after I got better.
I like the way Dr. Schubiner replies in his forum directly to you and your question.
Shortly after my relapse I developed muscle twitching all over my body. I still have it and its been almost 8 months I believe.
Since moving into my house and with 3 kids I am having a hard time getting started on the course again.
Id say its well worth it. |
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sarita
130 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2009 : 12:03:57
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walnut,
progress is not smooth, especially not after so many years! be happy with just bit by bit. |
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hopeacres
USA
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Posted - 07/02/2009 : 18:19:47
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hello,
I am new to the forum. I just wanted to say that I am in the middle of Dr. Schubiner's program and it is an excellent program. The hardest part is making the time to do the homework which is about 1 1/2 hours to 2 hours each day. However, it is worth it.
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Fox
USA
496 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2009 : 06:34:31
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| It looks like the overall sentiment is very positive for the Dr....I think I will try it this weekend. Actually, the fact that the assignments take over an hour a day is a good sign - that means there must be some meat to the course and some real soul-searching/self-analysis involved - which is what I think I need...I haven't gotten too far with my recent stabs at dream interpretation. There seems to be something there in my distant past for sure, but I hit a brick wall as to the details of remembering what I think must have been early childhood trauma. (I know full well what the current stresses are - just not what the old, and perhaps more important, components of the "reservoir of rage" are.) |
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SarnoFan
USA
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Posted - 07/11/2009 : 15:38:09
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Just wanted to update. Also see my post on this topic at:
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5732
My son committed to Shubiner's program this week and is journaling daily. Takes him 45 minutes a day (he's 18 and probably doesn't have as much to write!).
He also went to PT this week. His symptoms have increased, but he recognizes, on his own, that this is part of the treatment. For one, he did PT which can hurt. Second, he knows that Sarno expects symtpoms to increase at times as the mind fights for the distraction tactics.
He is very excited to start playing his sport in the next month or two. Hopefully he will really "click" with this treatment and we will have another success story for Dr. Shubiner and this forum!
I will let Sarno Fans know! |
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Plantweed
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2009 : 08:19:56
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| After two years of doing well I've been fighting lower back back and stiffness since March. It's very annoying and almost depressing, all the basic, everyday things that are so hard to do, and all the fear and anxiety it generates. Getting SICK of it. I think it's time I "manned up" and started digging around the nether regions of the old noggin'. The gods know I have issues, ha ha. I'm thinking about starting this course, I now have the time where I can concentrate. Any other folks who have the done the course have any opinions, yay or nay? |
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scd1833
USA
124 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2009 : 20:22:17
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Sarno fan: your son really needs to commit to one therapy or the other, preferably sarno's. Of course going to a PT is going to make it worse, it's focusing the attention on the PHYSICAL! If the sarno theory works it's because it takes the attention OFF the physical. Sarno also says to discontinue ALL PHYSICAL TREATMENTS.
Fox, Sarno's program Shubiners course, Schecters book, and all the others all seem to work, as long as they are practiced diligently, with a real commitment to doing the daily "work" that is usually involved.
that's the hardest part I find.
for me it just clicked when I saw the sarno 20/20 program for other people it may be the journaling, for others, it may take psyco-therapy, the fact is you have to keep at it, try stuff til you find what works, for me, I still have recurrent symptoms 10 years after initially recovering, and I still |
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