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noland0
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 Posted - 07/26/2009 : 00:03:38
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G'day,
I've read Sarno's "Healing back Pain" thoroughly and have one question.
I myself have a few bulges in the lower back and was wondering whether TMS treatment procedures actually heal the disc(s) and restore them back to where they are supposed to be structurally.. or does it only relieve the pain symptoms.
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inaned
Bulgaria
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Posted - 07/26/2009 : 01:24:53
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Originally posted by noland0
G'day,
I've read Sarno's "Healing back Pain" thoroughly and have one question.
I myself have a few bulges in the lower back and was wondering whether TMS treatment procedures actually heal the disc(s) and restore them back to where they are supposed to be structurally.. or does it only relieve the pain symptoms.
Cheers
Oh, you haven't repudated the structural diagnosis. You probably need to re-read the book, or even better - read "The Mindbody Prescription" and watch the DVD's that go along with it. All the answers are there.
I'll just remind you that 64% of the people with proven structural abnormalities (by MRI and X-ray imageing) like buldging disks, herniated disks, degenerative disk disease, etc. scary diagnosis have never experienced back, neck or limb pain.
Greets,
Ina
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Garth
USA
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Posted - 07/26/2009 : 06:23:54
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What's a "normal" structure anyways?
We've been brainwashed to believe the body is like a machine . . . that "parts" break, wear out and go out of place . . .etc. . . . and that is the cause of our dis-comfort. It takes in no account for the mind, the spirit and all that cannot be seen or measured by limited scope of our current beliefs.
This is changing.
Yes, read "The Mindbody Prescription" and or watch the DVD.
Life's a gradual awakening , and pain is a powerful catalyst. |
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Webdan65
USA
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Posted - 07/26/2009 : 17:41:57
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To answer your specific question, NO TMS treatment will not heal a bulging disk. TMS treatment has a great success rate for handling the pain.
I will say that I've heard and read things that bulging disks can somewhat heal on their own. But here's the bottom line...
It doesn't matter if you have a bulging disk or not. It's not the cause of the pain. TMS is. So eliminate the pain and to heck with the physical status of the disk.
Personally I wouldn't even have a follow up scan to see what the disk looks like in 6 months or a year. Focus on TMS and forget about the disks.
The disks are the innocent bystander blamed for pain that mainstream medicine has no clue how to diagnose or cure.
My .02 cents.
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guej
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Posted - 07/26/2009 : 20:15:24
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Couldn't agree with you more Dan. I had scoliosis surgery 25 years ago, where the doctors inserted 2 rods and corrected a pretty severe curve. I had 24 painfree, active years. Last year I "injured" myself (or so I thought)....and had an MRI and Xrays taken. For the first time in 25 years since the surgery I saw what my spine looked like. The discs below where the rods corrected had developed a new curve. I almost fell over. I thought my entire spine was straight. And so...the minor occassional pain I was experiencing slowly developed into a full blown pain syndrome, as I worried and worried, and went from one doctor to another, and had shots, therapies, nerve blocks, etc. No one could definitively tell me why I was in so much pain, but everyone assumed it had something to do with the residual scoliosis.
The last doctor I went to see was a scoliosis specialist. He told me to come back in 6 months for more xrays so we could see if the curve was still progressing. If it was, then I might need to fuse the entire rest of the spine. Thankfully, after that, I finally figured out that my pain wasn't being caused by my spine. It wasn't logical, given how long I was painfree and active, and how the chronic pain developed after a slight sports injury. Shortly thereafter I found Dr. Sarno, and it all made sense. There is no way I am going back for more xrays. For what? To find out that my curve went 2 more degrees? So what. It never was the cause of my pain. Unfortunately, 9 months of running from back doctor to back doctor really ingrained that spine diagnosis and pain syndrome in my brain. I'm fighting that conditioning now and trying to undue the damage that was done. Don't go any further down that road if you can. I wish I knew a year ago what I know now. It would never have gotten as bad as it did. Then again, isn't that how we all wind up finally finding Dr. Sarno and TMS? |
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 07/27/2009 : 15:31:38
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Originally posted by noland0
whether TMS treatment procedures actually heal the disc(s) and restore them back to where they are supposed to be structurally.. or does it only relieve the pain symptoms.
This question itself is a contradiction to TMS so I believe you need to educate yourself further.
In many cases a herniated disc is perfectly normal, caused by wear and tear and a natural part of the aging process. They are the shock absorbers of the spine and doing exactly what they are supposed to do. |
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skizzik
USA
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Posted - 07/30/2009 : 10:15:23
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Depends on your definition of normal.
If your Doctor compared mri's of your spine from when you were 15 to when you were 29, and there were no bulges, herniations, curvature, disc height loss, spondywhatever, then he might conclude that was not normal either.
Before inner body scans became so popular, the myth that your disc bulge dissapeared in correlation to pain relief was easy to believe.
The myth gets perpetuated today because if the pain goes away, even if there's a documented bulge, no insurance company will pay for an mri to figure out why you're pain free. That's too bad because it would educate more people, and make them question why they are'nt in pain anymore when the bulge is still there and perhaps bolster confidence in the event of future onsets. |
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sue
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Posted - 01/28/2010 : 09:48:34
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Originally posted by SarnoFan
After a year of pain on/off, my 18 yr old son was diagnosed with a ruptured disc on June 2nd by MRI. His pain escalated after the diagnosis, then again with phys. therapy, an injection and a visit to various back experts (we were trying to 'rule out' the physical, but the nocebo effect took hold!!)
Telling him his back will have to be carefully managed for the rest of his life made him feel like he was broken and his pain increased each time he was reminded. So we cancelled all his appointments for phys. therapy, injections, and the follow up appt with the neurosurgeon last week.
In the last two weeks he has started to go to the gym, jog, do sit ups, light weights, play his sport recreationally and is slowly getting back his confidence. We never ask him how his back is doing. He is getting better NOT thinking about the disc.
Therefore, the body heals on its own. TMS treatment helps you discover that your unhealthy thoughts/repressed emotions create chronic pain. A bulge should not produce pain. A herniation/rupture may initially cause pain, but this heals and the pain should only last a few weeks.
I have several bulges myself and they do not produce pain.
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sue
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Posted - 01/28/2010 : 09:56:50
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To SarnoFan,
I think it is very important to tell/teach people that sometimes there is a direct correlation between the Dx and the symptoms. For example, if MRI shows an issue with the L5-SI and the symptoms (pain or numbness) are behind the leg and bottom of foot, their is a specific physical cause for the pain/numbness.
Please give your thoughts on this.
Thank you,
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susan828
USA
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Posted - 01/28/2010 : 15:05:26
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In keeping with what Sue said above, I also have an L5 problem (I know...most of us do) but one day it got so bad that the pain was running down my leg. I was desperate and normally, I check doctors out online, in books, and I had never been to a chiropractor.
I looked in my insurance book and took a chance. I got there within a few minutes, he was willing to see me and he gave my leg a certain move, I got up and the pain was gone. I mean it went from a 10 to a zero in a second. This was not TMS related...this was from sitting in a movie theater for hours a few nights before. Are people here saying that pain from something being a little off is impossible...if so, then how do you account for this chiropractor relieving my pain in seconds. I feel that he took the disc pressure off the nerve and since then I am able to do that maneuver myself (with not the same force but I do the best I can) and relieve it enough to walk a few hours later.
Do most of you feel that chiropractors are essentially useless? I never went back but for those that swear by it, I finally see their point. |
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Does the Disc actually restore to normal?
