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Webdan65
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 Posted - 07/13/2009 : 14:05:42
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Some of you may know that I'm an internet marketer running multiple websites selling stuff online. I find it is VERY easy to get stuck in a constant state of Learning all the time and not spending enough time DOING.
Often, I find myself getting sucked into the feeling that I need to learn the latest and greatest technique. And half the day is spent on educating myself.
Now, education is always a great thing. However....
When it comes down to it - we would be so much farther along if we did the work that we already know how to do instead of spending ALL our time finding the perfect answer before we start.
Meaning once you have base knowledge in place, success becomes all about DOING the work.
If you think you have TMS but haven't started doing the "work" of TMS, you are postponing success. Not 100% convinced? Begin anyway.
Granted: A BIG part of the TMS cure is education. However for many of us, just reading the book isn't enough. We actually have to work the process for a result.
Don't get hung up learning forever. At some point you have to dive in and start DOING what it takes.
Apply that to TMS, your career, your family, relationships, your business, whatever.
I'll quote Nike here: "Just Do It!"
Dan |
Edited by - Webdan65 on 07/13/2009 14:10:55 |
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Brenda
USA
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Posted - 07/14/2009 : 15:27:01
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Wow Dan, my husband and I just had this very conversation a couple hours ago...
He asked me how many more books are you going to read? And when are you going to start implementing it?
I am such a procrastinator, but sometimes I am not sure what I am supposed to implement....
I am so up and down with this tms thing....someday's I am sure it's tms and other days I am sure it's a real Dysfunction....Sacroilliac Joint Dysfunction....
I have All the classic symptoms of SI joint dysfunction, and the chiro helps me tremendously and instantly....It just keeps coming back in a couple weeks,and I have to go for another adjustment....
I feel like a hamster on a wheel! It's all very frustrating.
Thanks to everyone on here for all your thoughts and advice!
Brenda
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pan
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/14/2009 : 15:49:05
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Could not agree more with the OP.
Yep, you can buy a 1001 books that explain all about the concept of somatization and you can sit and read the buggers for ever and a day but the bottom line is that in order for the theory to work you have to take that big old LEAP OF FAITH!
People do seem to just get so hung up in the concept that Sarno is presenting and seem to then think they have to study all the in and outs and intricasies of what he is saying so as not to miss the crucial nugget of truth that they think they have overlooked that they often seem to be in a paralysis of information...they just seem to have so much information that they just seem unable to use any of it and put it into practise.
Not a jot of what Sarno is saying is new. The concept of emotional conflict converting to physical symptoms/pain is as old as the hills and is widely recognised outside of our simplistic and organic centered medical framework. I just feel there is so much waffle and padding regarding somatization that many sufferers are getting so hung up on the intricasies that they are just forgetting that the cure is in our thoughts and more importantly ACTIONS that confirm our thoughts.
Put the books away and as the OP said 'just do it'!! |
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Webdan65
USA
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Posted - 07/15/2009 : 06:42:34
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Brenda:
I read back through some of your other posts and see that you joined up in May. You also pointed out that this pain of yours has been on and off for many years.
Here's my take: What harm is there is getting started with TMS treatment? Start talking to your brain. Reject the physical cause, start journaling about things that anger, upset and drive you crazy. List any childhood traumas. Read about TMS daily for 15 minutes. When you are feeling decent - resume physical activity to prove to yourself that you aren't making the problem worse and that you are physically Ok. Tackle your fear head on.
In The Divided Mind - DO the steps starting on Page 142.
Truth is - a Sarno type of treatment is NOT invasive. Why are you afraid to do the work?
What small step can you take today to begin?
Go for it....
Dan |
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Brenda
USA
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Posted - 07/15/2009 : 20:15:25
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Dan--
it's very frustrating for me...I have tried the talking to my brain...
I hate to exercise, but I am very active with a physical business that should make my back hurt, but it's the craziest little things that locks my back up...
I just know that when it locks I have to go to the chiro for relief, which comes instantly...So I struggle with -- if it's not physical then why can the chiro see the structure changes in my body and they go away after an adjustment...?? I have dug deep to see what my issues are and I have a problem with people's behavior, not social issues, but the actions of people....things I would never dream of doing.....For instance neighbors barking dogs, loud music, hurried (bad) drivers, politics,driving while on the phone, etc....
I am a black OR white person, living in a gray world...I would never intrude my life on others, or disrespect people, so when they do it, it drives me crazy...
So, I am learning to recognize and accept it...VERY HARD to do!
Other than that my childhood was different, but it's over and I have moved on....
One thing I have NOT done is the journaling, I guess I am not sure what am I journaling..?
And you say do the work--what does that mean? What work?
The Divided Mind book says we do not need to know WHAT it is that's causing the pain, just accept that it's psychological...
See it goes back to my black & white thing....
I always have to figure everything out! 
I really appreciate your reply, your great advice and your thoughts.
I will keep at it...
Thanks Again
Brenda
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Webdan65
USA
182 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2009 : 19:22:05
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Brenda:
Food for thought. Perhaps there is a slight dysfunction in your body that the chiro can "fix". But think about this.
Maybe it is TMS that is causing the dysfunction in the first place and all the chiro is doing is treating the SYMPTOM, not the cause. Why do you think it keeps coming back? Because the CAUSE hasn't been addressed.
You ask what work? In each of the Sarno books he tells us of the treatment plan. Start on Page 142 of The Divided Mind as I mentioned in my previous post. There are countless posts here with wonderful suggestions. Work to reprogram your mind. Journal. Resume physical activity. Consider stopping physical treatments.
Not sure what to journal about? Write about the things that you wrote about in your last reply. Barking dogs, lousy or inconsiderate drivers, etc, etc, etc.
You say your childhood was different, but that it's over and you've moved on. Is that just another way of saying "There were issues, I've repressed them"? Are you really over it, or are there things from your childhood that might be causing you to be "driven crazy" by things outside your control like barking dogs, politics and bad drivers. Write about your childhood even if it does bring up some painful memories. If it is a source of anger, frustration or even Rage, get it out of your head and onto paper.
When I was journaling a lot - I would often look back and be surprised at the venom that poured out of me. Sometimes about simple things, other times about bigger and more important stuff. When you let the anger flow - you might be surprised at how deep the anger goes.
Unsure what to write, just start with a day to day diary approach. What were my thoughts TODAY. Happy, sad, angry - write it all down. And by doing this consistently - you'll both get things out of your head and onto paper - but you'll also have somewhat of a record of what was going on.
If your back locks up - you can kind of see what poured out of your head and onto paper just preceding the "lock up".
Judging from my experience and that of many people on the forum...
As long as you hold onto this joint dysfunction as the reason for your pain - you likely won't find relief with Sarno and the TMS method.
When my family asks me how my back is - I can look them in the eye and say with certainty, "my back is great". Until you can look yourself in the mirror and know that your back is fine, that TMS is the issue - you likely won't have success with any TMS treatment.
One last point: You said you try talking to your brain, but what are you saying? Are you sending conflicting messages? "my back is fine" yet at the same time "my chiro fixed my problem so it's physical", It seems that you go back and forth.
If the message isn't clear to yourself, TMS won't let go.
Not meaning to sound harsh at all - but from the little bit you've typed, those are my thoughts.
Hope it helps.
Dan
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 07/16/2009 : 19:33:24
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Originally posted by Brenda
I just know that when it locks I have to go to the chiro for relief, which comes instantly...
Sorry to say, but you have not taken the first necessary step in TMS recovery: repudiate the structural diagnosis.
If you still go to a chiropractor to seek a remedy for a structural issue, then your mind cannot move forward.
Only when you are ready to accept that the symptoms are psychogenic, and the chiropractor is providing a placebo cure only, can you embark on TMS recovery.
I was a regular chiropractic patient for 15 years so I know how you feel. It is not an easy habit to break ... but it has to be done. |
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Baseball65
USA
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Posted - 07/18/2009 : 09:05:39
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and all god's children said?
AMEN !
With all due respect, I sometimes wonder if I would have had the relatively fast recovery I did from TMS symptoms if I had had this forum to peruse. I'm just as OCD as the rest of Y'all and I might not have gone out and DONE the work, and it is WORK
Back in 99 (wow...a decade) If you searched Sarno on the internet, you got 2 hits...amazon.com and some PDF from a convention.
People ask me questions as if I know some secret expediting vehicle to guarantee the 5 week cure. I can only tell them what I did.
I read HBP continually, making notes and shaking loose a lifetime of memories.
I beat things with a 33" Louisville slugger (Maple) and imagined it to be the man who had just shanked me in a music deal.
I immediately began to lift weights (* I was in extremely good shape for a cripple...I had been in PT for months, and only my legs had atrophied...do NOT do that if you're still scared or new)
I made a list of every single person or thing in the world that pissed me off, starting with my immediate family.
I spent time alone talking to myself, cussing, debating, admitting my fears, crying...whatever.
But it was all 3D real world work. No ruminating on the nature of the cosmos with a fellow sufferer. Funny...the guy who had first told me about Sarno (and recovered) was my neighbor, but he was out of town filming a movie or something....I was dying for him to come home so I could ask him a million things...as it was, by the time he came home I was 90& cured...divine intervention? Maybe.
Do it. Move. Go. NOW. stop talking about it.
Every fat person I know absolutely, positively knows what they need to do to lose weight....they'll even tell me about it over a beer and some chips. But they're still Fat...and still will be the next time I see them
Move..
go...
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Edited by - Baseball65 on 07/18/2009 09:07:15 |
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miche
Canada
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Posted - 07/18/2009 : 10:59:13
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| Baseball, you always write the best posts , had to tell you ! |
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