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hottm8oh
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 Posted - 05/11/2009 : 15:16:07
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I've been experiencing severe digestive-related issues for the past 17 years. I also had bad back pain for 7 years. I found Sarno's books and the back pain is now under control.  I assumed the Irritable Bowel Syndrome symptoms were also TMS, but last year I started experiencing severe abdominal pain. After being misdiagnosed four times, I finally found a great doctor who told me I have a rare and severe form of reflux disease which has been causing my IBS-type symptoms for the past 17 years. I am now on acid reducers and I feel so much better.
I just want to remind everyone to get yourself thoroughly checked out by a reputable physician. |
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Chrysalis
USA
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Posted - 05/11/2009 : 20:31:57
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| Yeah but how do you find a reputable doctor? I've had the ones who were supposed to be the best and they damn near killed me. I've had one stand there and lie to my face. How do we know? |
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Peg
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 04:26:57
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I agree, it's always important to be checked by a physician.
However, and I don't mean to sound contrary, but you say "the back pain is now under control." If it's only under control and not resolved,...do you think it could be possible that the emotional roots of the 7 years of pain, haven't been unearthed? Have you been able to identify the true causes and release any of the repressed emotions?
Also, I find it curious that your back pain is better, but the IBS worsened last year. Do you remember reading about the symptom imperative in Dr. Sarno's books? Is it possible that that is what's going on? Could your improvement, be from the pllacebo response?
I am glad that you are feeling better, and I am not a doctor, but I am a medical professional. The explanation you received does not make physiological sense to me. Reflux is when the acidic fluid from the stomach travels backward through a sphincter, that for some reason is lax and not preventing a backflow of the liquid, into the esophagus (the food pipe that runs from the back of the throat to the stomach). It can cause distress in the chest area because the acidic liquid irritates the esophagus. It can even cause erosion of the esophagus in the long term. Also even Dr. Sarno himself and many of his patients have had GERD (pretty severely too) and he considers it a tms equivalent. They've also seen it resolve with the realization that it is tms, and doing the emotional work.
I don't understand how that process can cause the symptoms of IBS, which involves the bowels, lower in the abdomen. The small intestine is separated from the stomach by another sphincter. Did your doctor explain exactly how the GERD would cause IBS?
Again, I'm sorry to be contradictory, but I was told things for 10 years that were not correct. The doctors were trying to help, but they had no idea why I had the back pain, so they made things up. Or if they suspected, they were not able to explain it to me and help me out of my pain. I speak with patients everyday who are given downright fantastical explanations for their 2,5,10,20, and 30 years of back pain and many other unexplained medical symptoms.
The cause of most of our (tmser's) physical ailments can be found in our emotional world, our belief system that was shaped by a difficult past, our perfectionism and goodism, which creates enormous amounts of pressure. Until we accept that and do the work, we continue to have physical issues that don't make sense, either from a physiological standpoint or even just the length of time the symptoms persist. The persistence of symptoms is a big clue with tms.
I do hope you continue to feel well, but if this is still tms, another symptom will undoubtedly take it's place eventually.
Take care,
Peg
In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo Galilei |
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Webdan65
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 05:40:41
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Originally posted by Peg
I speak with patients everyday who are given downright fantastical explanations for their 2,5,10,20, and 30 years of back pain and many other unexplained medical symptoms.
Peg, you say you speak with patients every day about these pain syndromes. If you are willing to share - what type of career or profession are you in that puts you in contact with these people? |
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hottm8oh
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 08:54:11
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Originally posted by Peg
I agree, it's always important to be checked by a physician.
However, and I don't mean to sound contrary, but you say "the back pain is now under control." If it's only under control and not resolved,...do you think it could be possible that the emotional roots of the 7 years of pain, haven't been unearthed? Have you been able to identify the true causes and release any of the repressed emotions?
Also, I find it curious that your back pain is better, but the IBS worsened last year. Do you remember reading about the symptom imperative in Dr. Sarno's books? Is it possible that that is what's going on? Could your improvement, be from the pllacebo response?
I am glad that you are feeling better, and I am not a doctor, but I am a medical professional. The explanation you received does not make physiological sense to me. Reflux is when the acidic fluid from the stomach travels backward through a sphincter, that for some reason is lax and not preventing a backflow of the liquid, into the esophagus (the food pipe that runs from the back of the throat to the stomach). It can cause distress in the chest area because the acidic liquid irritates the esophagus. It can even cause erosion of the esophagus in the long term. Also even Dr. Sarno himself and many of his patients have had GERD (pretty severely too) and he considers it a tms equivalent. They've also seen it resolve with the realization that it is tms, and doing the emotional work.
I don't understand how that process can cause the symptoms of IBS, which involves the bowels, lower in the abdomen. The small intestine is separated from the stomach by another sphincter. Did your doctor explain exactly how the GERD would cause IBS?
Again, I'm sorry to be contradictory, but I was told things for 10 years that were not correct. The doctors were trying to help, but they had no idea why I had the back pain, so they made things up. Or if they suspected, they were not able to explain it to me and help me out of my pain. I speak with patients everyday who are given downright fantastical explanations for their 2,5,10,20, and 30 years of back pain and many other unexplained medical symptoms.
The cause of most of our (tmser's) physical ailments can be found in our emotional world, our belief system that was shaped by a difficult past, our perfectionism and goodism, which creates enormous amounts of pressure. Until we accept that and do the work, we continue to have physical issues that don't make sense, either from a physiological standpoint or even just the length of time the symptoms persist. The persistence of symptoms is a big clue with tms.
I do hope you continue to feel well, but if this is still tms, another symptom will undoubtedly take it's place eventually.
Take care,
Peg
In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo Galilei
To make an exceptionally long story short, my acid reflux is not from my stomach into my esophagus. It's from my small intestine into my stomach, which is why it's a rare form. The sphincter between my stomach and small intestine does not function properly and either stays open causing reflux and severe upper abdominal pain or it clamps down causing my intestines to go into spasm. A year of dealing with my feelings didn't get rid of the problem. Acid reducers did. I'm not going to question it just so I can follow the TMS protocol exactly. I do what works for me. |
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Peg
USA
284 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2009 : 12:54:23
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Good point. You need to do what is right for you.
Best,
Peg
In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo Galilei |
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Peg
USA
284 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2009 : 12:56:10
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Hi Webdan,
I would prefer to discuss that via e-mail. You can send me an e-mail through the forum if you'd like.
Peg
In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo Galilei |
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Reminder to have your symptoms checked by a Dr.
