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igotnosmoke
Australia
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 Posted - 03/26/2009 : 20:59:03
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hey guys,
i had a problem with RSI which is slowly creeping back after i read The Power of Now... I was free from it for over a year and a half... however since starting to appreciate the power of now and tried to practise what was written in the book... mainly about ignoring the ego and painbody... and going beyond the mind... the pain is starting to reappear...
Has anyone experienced this? It is really strange... Is it me or could their theories clash a little?
Cheers,
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positivevibes
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Posted - 03/26/2009 : 22:26:43
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I have tried to read The Power of Now twice. Both times I have gotten stuck on the chapter where he tells you to "go into your body" (body awareness). All I kept thinking was "I don't want to do that because I'm in pain. I want to forget about my pain, not feel it." Both times I have put the book down at that point and instead began reading Sarno again. (Hmmmmm.....)
He talks about the painbody (from a psychological standpoint) but doesn't address real physical pain in that book, as far as I can tell. I really like his outlook, although all the stuff about "vibrational frequencies" is a bit too new-agey for my taste.
Whether the theories clash....well, I hadn't really thought about it, but perhaps they do. I've been doing Dr. Schubiner's TMS course and he has you thinking a lot about the inner child, the inner parent, the unconscious....in other words, the ego. He has you concentrating on your emotions as a way to sublimate your pain. You are not supposed to ignore your emotions, but you are not supposed to get all wrapped up in them, either.
He teaches you to observe your emotions and try to "let them go." But he also wants you to feel what you need to feel so that you're not repressing emotions and creating more TMS pain.
So, do the theories clash? Maybe a little. I would be interested to hear what others on this forum think about it!
Regarding your pain re-appearing....I'm sure that if just reading a book made the pain re-appear, it is DEFINITELY a TMS-related pain and you can beat it back down! |
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igotnosmoke
Australia
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Posted - 03/27/2009 : 06:44:15
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i thought the power of now was great but i think that some theories definitely may conflict though... the whole idea of trying to not let your past bother you... and dismiss that there in fact ever was a problem may not be the best approach... sarno encourages us to pay attention to what we have felt in the past and somewhat feel sympathy for the ego.
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pandamonium
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/27/2009 : 15:02:17
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| I see the power of now as being complimentary to Sarno's work, the way I see it "we shouldn't agonise over the past" helps me a lot with the conditioning aspect of TMS. Likewise the "don't worry about the future" helps take away some of the fear I might otherwise feel. |
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scottjmurray
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Posted - 03/28/2009 : 04:11:49
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I have tried to read The Power of Now twice. Both times I have gotten stuck on the chapter where he tells you to "go into your body" (body awareness). All I kept thinking was "I don't want to do that because I'm in pain.
There's a big difference between "going into your body" and "going to where the pain is."
I haven't found anywhere the theories clash. Tolle is like freakin' enlightened for God's sake, I don't really see how anything he's written wouldn't help anyone with any "problem" they might have. It all comes together. The only difference really is that Sarno uses the idea of "subconscious emotions," which are impossible to feel and thus very conceptually strange and I think very hard to understand for most. Tolle doesn't talk about this nether-realm (I think).
If you follow Tolle, you connect with the present moment. If you combine it with the work of Dr. Sarno, you take the focus off your pain and onto your emotions (in the present moment). The two work in concert with each other if you let them. Bang, no pain.
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cfhunter
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Posted - 03/28/2009 : 19:21:57
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I agree with pandamonium...Tolle and Sarno are cut from a similar pattern on the theory of pain. "What you resist "persists" and so on ...the more you try to deny your pain the more power you give it. I have found that if you face it without fear that it hurts less.
If you REALLLLY want a challenge and an unbelievable view of where your physical pain could come form...study "A Course in Miracles and listen to the podcasts that are out to compliment the course. I listened to something today that made me literally STOP walking in disbelief of how close to home it was about where my physical pain is coming from.
My favorite thing to repeat in my head right now when I DO feel the pain or get frustrated for even a minute is "This pain serves no purpose" for the minute I truly believe that I know healing can begin.
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altherunner
Canada
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Posted - 03/29/2009 : 10:04:51
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| I found The Power of Now helped with pain. The "painbody" was real for me. I found A New Earth a little easier reading. cfhunter- I am doing the Course in Miracles - where do I find the podcasts you mentioned? |
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jude
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Posted - 03/31/2009 : 11:05:59
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I know exactly what you are talking about.
For me, it isn't related to Tolle's book but rather to the fact that I have been a meditator for years. I'm now seeing that this practice is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, meditation has put a great perspective on my emotions. It feels very healthful because it allows me to relax and to transcend things most people get all caught up in.
More recently, however, as I've discovered TMS, I learned meditation has been a culprit in the sense that it's allowed me to cover over certain emotions. If something unpleasant can be transcended, why feel it, right? In fact, it's not even that I try to 'transcend' feelings at this point, it's more like they don't have any real substance to me. It's a challenge because even when I purposefully go digging for them, they still don't seem real. Yet I am aware that stuff in there is causing physical symptoms.
Just reread your post, and I noticed you used the word "ignore." That might be the issue as far as Power of Now. Meaning, trying to ignore the ego/emotions is the best way to send them underground. I think what is called for is more along the lines of "full acceptance in the now." This is the best answer I've found to any kind of "false" transcendence I have achieved through meditation. But I'm kinda going by the seat of my pants here...
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cfhunter
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stanfr
USA
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Posted - 04/01/2009 : 22:36:33
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| There have been lengthy threads involving Sarno/Tolle. Im not really into the pseudo-scientific side of Tolle, but in some respects i think his "theory" is a bit more far-reaching than Sarno, since it is seeking both an emotional/spiritual as well as physical relief, rather than just the physical. At first glance, there seems to be a direct contradiction between the two approaches, because "thinking psychological, journaling etc, involves delving into ones past experiences and future expectations, the very opposite of being in the "now". The problem with Sarno is that ive never seen a satisfactory explanation of what exact role distraction plays, and at least according to Sarno proponents, distraction theory is a cornerstone. One thing seems to be fairly certain, if one can successfully ignore pain or symptoms, the symptoms cease serving any psychological purpose and they end. Sarno or Tolle might help in that regard. |
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altherunner
Canada
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Posted - 04/05/2009 : 20:48:54
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| Thanks, Carmen. I really like Mariane Williamson. |
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forestfortrees
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Posted - 04/07/2009 : 21:20:04
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People interested in Tolle and TMS may also want to look at The Presence Process, by Michael Brown. An Amazon reviewer wrote, "Years ago, I read Eckart Tolle's "The Power of Now". It's a fantastic book but I found it difficult to achieve the state of present moment awareness it describes. "The Presence Process" is the "how to" manual to achieve this priceless state."
John Sklar, a TMS doctor, also recommends the book very highly, writing that "it is a very good description of the cause/source of our unconscious conflicts(the one's that result in tms). then a 10 week process is described which will begin to allow the unconscious material to be integrated/digested. i believe that it describes the single best tms treatment protocol on the planet(and i am not one to throw about such words lightly). at any rate you should be aware of this material. i have showed it to dr. sarno who was initially quite skeptical(after i described it to him) but later was quite impressed. he believes it is great description of the source of repressed emotions(one of "the best" that he has seen)." |
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altherunner
Canada
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Posted - 04/12/2009 : 17:49:01
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| I borrowed The Presence Process from the library and have since ordered it. I am doing the 10 week process. I am sure that past issues will bubble up, that affect my present life situation. Thanks for the book tip. |
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forestfortrees
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Posted - 04/13/2009 : 06:20:20
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Given the interest in The Presence Process, I've made a wiki page about it.
Good luck on your jouney, Al! |
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