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Redsandro
Netherlands
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 Posted - 01/21/2009 : 04:15:19
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My friend, about similar age as me, has predictable bad eczema during stressful situations. It starts in advance. This includes visiting her parents for a few days. Need I say more? I'd say it's definitely psychosomatic because she has a ton of conflicts.
I have searched the forum for the rash things, and basically all conversations were like this:
"Do you think it's TMS?"
"Yes, it definitely is."
Now for the questions,
It started at a young age. At age 3 or something. Is it even possible to have accumulated enough emotional events for this kind of somatic link to form in the mind? My youth was a pain, yet TMS emerged when I was no younger than 16.
I found this post from 2 years back, which sounds similar to the issue:
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Originally posted by allen_non
My (..) daughter has had exzema since she was about 18 months old. It's generally limited to inside of her elbow & knee creases (..) (how) can the exzema of an 18 month old be related to TMS?
The one reply was TT blaming the womb, but respectfully that is bs to me.
How do you go from saying that it is stress related (as she noted herself) to dealing with it? I know I sure wouldn't buy the TMS talk (read: I wouln't read the books even if my loved ones would recommend it) if it wasn't for the exact RSI TMS related webpages by cured people. However, there are afaik no such stories about rashes etc that are so full of eye-openers that make it logical to invest in self-work. Anyone knows valuable pages on this in TDM or MBP? I found the bottom part of TDM page 27 (Disorders attributed to activity of the immune-peptide system) explains what happens, but it is so basic.
A few years back when I cured my RSI, I lost some friends. Due to my enthousiasm and wanting to make treir world a happier place. Bad idea. So I decided I'd never feed my thoughts on psyche to friends again. Hence I don't really want to start about this. Although I am tempted because it seems so obvious.
Also, I know she did journaling earlier, but she stopped because she claims it made her a bitter person. Aparently journaling back then didn't kill her gremlin. ;)
There are no eczema related succes stories in the TMSwiki I recently discovered thanks to HillaryN.
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Edited by - Redsandro on 01/21/2009 04:22:37 |
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mizlorinj
USA
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Posted - 01/21/2009 : 09:13:07
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Hi Red. Althought it is likely a mind/body disorder (or TMS equivalent), you cannot make someone else see this. I suppose something like "more and more media coverage is pointing to stressful situations in our lives causing physical issues" would be good. But this is where those of us who desire to help others have to accept that others have their own beliefs. For now. Trust me, I want to help others, and though they claim to be open to stress-related disorders, they ultimately still believe their pain (rash etc.) is from bending, sitting in the car too long, the time someone sneezed near them 6 years ago, etc.
I have found valuable information in books--not so much online--about mind/body disorders and their physical manifestations. And A LOT is covered as being emotionally-caused, including skin issues, and a lot are healed with changed attitudes and releasing emotions.
Regarding the person you list in your post, of course an 18 month old (or younger) child has feelings. Of course they can manifest things related to their emotions. They are a person.
So many people have benefitted by journaling; I don't feel it makes you a bitter person. Maybe they are stuck on something and need to try journaling about something else for a time. I'd be journaling till I got past whatever bitterness was there. But that's me. I do believe journaling is needed for long-term results.
Best wishes to you Red, and hoping your friend becomes open to mind/body healing.
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Edited by - mizlorinj on 01/21/2009 09:18:13 |
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LIlith
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Posted - 01/21/2009 : 09:25:30
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I found this link in an old thread which might be very helpful to you.
http://www.grossbart.com/#.
He calls his program "SKIN DEEP: A Mind/Body Program for Healthy Skin" It sure sounds like he's using Dr. Sarno's ideas. |
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stefan
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Posted - 01/21/2009 : 09:45:04
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Hi Red,
Re: wanting to help others, I agree with Lori, some will listen, most won't, that's unfortunate especially with all the evidence even from the medical community.
Re: babies? There is a thread from a few months back on food allergies, and someone made a good point about children inheriting their parents emotional blue-print. It made sense to me.
Something that Sarno said in TDM (I don't know the exact place or the exact wording) regarding the psyche, to the effect that it would be nice if it were simple, organized, easy to understand, each part of it in its respective place, but the truth is it is very complex. The way I look at it, at least we have tapped into it and there seems to be some rhyme and reason to it all. It has changed my outlook on life and I can never go back even if most around me dismiss and jeer. I'm in it for the long haul and I will enjoy the journey.
I hope this helps.
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Redsandro
Netherlands
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Posted - 01/21/2009 : 11:22:36
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Thanks for your views on this.
The blueprint thing sounds interesting, although I haven't been able to find it back. Do you remember the title?
I think skin trouble is difficult to get rid of, as with pain you are forced to make a choice but with skin trouble, especially when it's not necessarily visible, it's also an option 'just to cope.'
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Edited by - Redsandro on 01/21/2009 11:23:35 |
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stefan
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Redsandro
Netherlands
217 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2009 : 12:34:38
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Thanks, interesting read.
I think you refer to:quote:
Originally posted by mizlorinj
There are many books (see ones I've noted in Success Stories) that talk about allergies having emotional ties. (..)
It is likely we pick up our parents emotions before we are born (see books again), so babies can have allergies caused by emotions.
Yaeh, I could accept that.
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HilaryN
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/21/2009 : 16:10:06
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(Redsandro)There are no eczema related succes stories in the TMSwiki
Hi Red,
The wiki is still in its early days so is very much work-in-progress, including the Success Stories pages.
I've cured my eczema using TMS approach, but it seems minor compared to my RSI so my story is likely to go under the RSI heading. It'll take longer before we can list our other symptoms we've cured. Tpunk has listed the symptoms she's cured on her profile page, which I think is a good idea - one day I'll get around to doing that.
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(mizlorinj)...they ultimately still believe their pain (rash etc.) is from ... the time someone sneezed near them 6 years ago, etc.
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HilaryN
United Kingdom
879 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2009 : 16:16:30
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(Redsandro)At age 3 or something. Is it even possible to have accumulated enough emotional events for this kind of somatic link to form in the mind?
According to Arthur Janov ("The New Primal Scream") the birth process can be very traumatic for some - too traumatic for a baby to deal with at that age, so the mind shuts it away. But of course, the emotions want to get out ... well, you know the rest.
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stanfr
USA
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Posted - 01/21/2009 : 19:29:31
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As others have pointed out, stress is stress, and a young child or even baby can be affected by it.
Ive dealt with a number of dermatologic issues, most recently psoriasis, that are definitely psychosomatic.
Sarno would call most of these problems "TMS equivalents", i know, because i asked him once. He would be careful to note that it is "a very complex process" which i suspect is a round-about way of saying "we dont know all the answers"
Are eczema, psoriasis, acne etc 100% psyche caused?? For sure there is a genetic component, but that doesnt rule out the psyche as the "sole contributor". Im tempted to conclude that they are, but i can't say for sure. I think to deal with these problems requires more than understanding TMS and doing the usual TMS routine (journal, suspend physical treatments etc) but i do believe that using a psychological approach is going to give the best results.
I dont think you need to feel reluctant to approach the subject with her, since she apparently knows there is a stress component. So long as you are not dogmatic about it, i think people are very receptive to this kind of information. |
Edited by - stanfr on 01/21/2009 19:31:58 |
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skizzik
USA
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Posted - 01/22/2009 : 04:34:21
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Originally posted by Redsandro
It started at a young age. At age 3 or something. Is it even possible to have accumulated enough emotional events for this kind of somatic link to form in the mind? My youth was a pain, yet TMS emerged when I was no younger than 16.
I found this post from 2 years back, which sounds similar to the issue:
[quote]Originally posted by allen_non
My (..) daughter has had exzema since she was about 18 months old. It's generally limited to inside of her elbow & knee creases (..) (how) can the exzema of an 18 month old be related to TMS?
This is the crux of tms in western society. This is why we suffer so badly over here.
This is where it starts, suppression of emotions from a young age.
Sarno talks about the mother who is proud to tell the doctor she was able to get her baby to stop crying out by squirting it w/ water in the face whenever it was gonna cry.
Talk about suppression, the conditioning started there, can't cry, so wallah, physical symptoms.
Babies here in the western world are raised by parents who read books and see shows on how we are to discipline them, and keep them in their own beds at night, tough love from a young age....etc
In 3rd world countries babies are carried around on the backs of the mother while she works all day.
Think how when the baby is stressing you out at 3 am crying it's eyes out, and niether parent wants to get up from being tired, it's hard to hug the baby and warm a bottle when your'e not feeling so up to it, day after day after day. Then your'e bombarded w/ messages how you need to control your baby at a early age for an easier upbrining.
We were told in baby class to expect a "throw the baby out the window" feelining, and if you did'nt get this normal feeling, then there was something wrong w/ you. Oh, I got it alright, w/ the first 2 especially, I guess w/ the 3rd I was more used to it.
Anyways, in your mind your thinking "why cant you just shut up", and you try hard to be good, but it has to come out in gestures, and facial expressions, and the occasional words like "cmon, quit, be good" that the baby isn'nt pleasing you. Compare that to the eastern baby thats riding around all day on it's mothers back, w/ no conditional facial/verbal messages of fustration. Just acceptence.
If a baby gets these suppression messages early, and they do, for a good year, then why can't it have a skin condition 4 mos later?
And the baby learns it has to "please" the parents to get attention. As opposed to the eastern baby that gets to ride around all day w/ the feeling of uncondtional attention. This latter baby will have a more solid emotional foundation for sure.
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Redsandro
Netherlands
217 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2009 : 04:56:01
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And when for example one random kid out of a 4 kid family gets dermatologic TMS equivalents, would you concider this one to be genetically prone to have those symptons?
I take that Wallah is the US version of French Voilą?
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LuvtoSew
USA
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Posted - 01/22/2009 : 06:18:44
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My BIL has had psoriasis for many years, not really too bad tho but you could see it would sometimes flare up in his face. His wife lost alot of money at a casino over a 3 years period and when he found out, his whole body broke out. It is an autoimmune disease, but stress can and does aggravate it, but when he went to the dermatologist when his whole body flarred up it turns our he also has psoriatic arthritis-inflammation of his joints.
So I guess get checked out or tell your fried to go to a dermatologist to get checked out. If my BIL would of sooner
he would of known damage was also being done to his joints and with medication could of slowed or halted the damage. |
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skizzik
USA
783 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2009 : 04:22:44
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quote:
Originally posted by Redsandro
And when for example one random kid out of a 4 kid family gets dermatologic TMS equivalents, would you concider this one to be genetically prone to have those symptons?
I take that Wallah is the US version of French Voilą?
I have some decent psorias that acts up during stress, so does one of my brothers. According to the medical model, I think 25% of us are prone to psorias according to what I read up on last year.
Having said that, keep in mind not all babies are treated equal. Sibling rivalry exists, and some children in the family will get more unconditional love messages then the others.
Look at "a child called it" I think is the name. One child is subject to severe abuse and neglect from the mother, while the siblings are treated like kings. |
Edited by - skizzik on 01/24/2009 05:08:27 |
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LIlith
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Posted - 01/23/2009 : 13:20:39
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I take that Wallah is the US version of French Voilą?
Ah, thank you! I was wondering what that meant. (I think it's just a misspelling.) |
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HilaryN
United Kingdom
879 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2009 : 13:27:12
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Me too! I would never have guessed!
Hilary N |
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skizzik
USA
783 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2009 : 05:10:53
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 hmmm...viola? perhaps wa-Lah! |
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forestfortrees
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Posted - 02/01/2009 : 10:55:39
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(Redsandro)There are no eczema related succes stories in the TMSwiki
I just saw this thread, and thought that I would fix that situation. I just made pages on the on the TMS wiki for Dermatalogical conditions like Eczema, allergies, and Food Allergies. The pages are all extremely rudimentary at this point and I don't think will help Redsandro as much, but they will grow over the years and will hopefully become quite helpful to future readers of this thread. Please feel free to add any content that you think might be helpful. |
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2 quick questions about rash/eczema
