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UK james
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 12/20/2004 : 16:18:01
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This message is only intended to give others encouragement(not boasting)...
I recently reported that I had a case of location substitution in my knees and achilles (original pain in my back)...
The pain has now gone (lasted only approx 2 wks) through using the techniques highlighted in MBP. I have also read 'Taming your Gremlin' which although not as pivotal as HBP / MBP was helpfull nonetheless. My backpain disappeared instantaneously whereas my substitution pain lasted for a couple of weeks. I recently read a post on this site questioning the effectiveness of TMS - and I would just like to say that it is 100% effective from a 26yr old males perspective. It is logical - makes perfect sense.
I have recently tried to pass on TMS theory to others, for example, my 80yr old grandma and 45yr old uncle. I am positive they suffer from TMS (really conditioned beyond belief) but they are so reluctant to listen - i feel as if they think I am talking 'weirdo talk'. I would love to help others with similar problems but only a few can open their minds enough to accept the theory.
Take care
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Edited by - UK james on 12/20/2004 16:22:07 |
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Tunza
New Zealand
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Posted - 12/20/2004 : 23:07:17
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Thanks for this post James. Just the stuff I need to hear right now when I am jogging again and applying TMS thinking to knees that are trying very hard to distract me.
Keep on posting!
Kat
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JoeC
USA
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Posted - 12/20/2004 : 23:36:47
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Great news, keep it up!
I know what you mean about telling other people. It's like having found the Holy Grail and giving it to King Arthur, and he goes "Nah!"
There is so much secondary gain , as the psychologists call it, to be had from "back problems": Disability payments, sympathy from others, something to blame for your being a quitter/loser/coward on, a great tool to manipulate people with guilt, etc. There is good reason these people "don't understand" Sarno.
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Posted - 12/21/2004 : 09:25:54
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I don't really buy the secondary gain idea, Joe. Certainly, there are, and probably have been since time immemorial, people who malinger, but chronic pain is just awful - made worse by the whole industry that treats it - usually ineffectively and by doctors describing these conditions as incurable, only manageable.
Most people who won't listen to Sarno's ideas are not likely to be quitters, losers or cowards - the pressure to believe that chronic pain is structural is enormous. It takes a lot of confidence and soul searching to accept that psychology is at the root of many (most probably) pain conditions. We are used to visiting a professional if we are sick, conditioned from early childhood to believe that a doctor will make us better. The whole idea that we can cure ourselves of these pain conditions turns what we have been encouraged to accept on its head. It takes a complete mind shift.
That most people cannot make that mind shift doesn't make them cowards.
As far as getting people to listen to what has worked for us, I listen for clues in how they talk about their problem. Intuition, female perhaps, tells me whether to continue or keep my mouth shut. |
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Tunza
New Zealand
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Posted - 01/15/2005 : 13:55:29
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UK James:
I can't believe this - my knee pain is still there with the running I am doing but it is not getting any worse so that has given me confidence but now my left achilles is sore and tight to the point that first thing in the morning I limp when I get out of bed.
I know this must be TMS but James I'd like to know if you ran through the pain or gave it a rest and went back to it when you got over the worst of the pain.
I know this topic about running through pain comes up a lot on the board but it'd be good to hear what you did since you've had a lot of success.
Thanks - Kat |
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Hilary
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/15/2005 : 17:53:09
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I second this, and I think we need to tread very carefully around this secondary gain concept. Sarno doesn't buy it either, and in fact speaks out strongly against it, believing that it does considerable psychological damage to already suffering patients.
I've had this concept "tested" on me by a therapist (this is years before I came across TMS), and I can assure you that to be on the receiving end of such a theory utterly sucks. Not only do you have pain/depression/dizziness, but you also end up hating yourself for not understanding your "secondary gain". No, thank you very much.
Oh yeah, and - great news, James!
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Originally posted by AnneG
I don't really buy the secondary gain idea, Joe. Certainly, there are, and probably have been since time immemorial, people who malinger, but chronic pain is just awful - made worse by the whole industry that treats it - usually ineffectively and by doctors describing these conditions as incurable, only manageable.
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