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LuvtoSew
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 Posted - 09/22/2008 : 09:41:18
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theory, is that fear is the thing that needs to go, you know the old saying the more you stir something up the more it stinks, and the more complicated you make something the more complicated it becomes.
I think in reading his books how he says all these physical findings are normal and nothing to worry or fear about is a way of relieving our stressing about them, enable us to shrug them off and sooner or later forget about them and they slowly go away.
I tried to tell my osteopath the other day that I'm tired of all these body treatments that are just causing more stress for me and making me dwell more on the physical stuff, as I need a new upper dentures and parital made and its up to her when that gets done, that the stress of all this is driving me nuts and making me worst, the appointments, the yanking on my body and I'm tired of it all, and even being a homeopathic doctor she doesn't understand how stressful this is. Then on the other hand she asks me if I have any stress in my life- ugh never ending situation. |
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scottjmurray
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Posted - 09/22/2008 : 16:06:52
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yeah i learned to "get over" stuff through buddhist teachings, observe it for long enough and it will go away. the problem is that we all have certain thoughts/emotions/fears that we deem "not okay" to even be looked at. so we actively avoid dealing with them, which means letting them integrate by becoming fully aware of them. ideally we want to get to the point where they are no longer strong enough to even pull our attention away anymore, which is when they really disappear.
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scottjmurray
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Posted - 09/22/2008 : 16:07:54
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but again, the weird thing is you don't actually "do" anything to make this process happen. it happens by itself when you step out of the way.
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swmr1
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Posted - 09/22/2008 : 17:57:41
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fear is the thing that needs to go, you know the old saying the more you stir something up the more it stinks, and the more complicated you make something the more complicated it becomes.
Wow, isn't that the truth! And I sure do know how to stir the pot and make things more complicated. Doing better, though...
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LuvtoSew
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Posted - 09/23/2008 : 06:42:43
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Originally posted by scottjmurray
but again, the weird thing is you don't actually "do" anything to make this process happen. it happens by itself when you step out of the way.
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I like that and I'm trying to get out of its way.
I read your story, boy you had a lot of pain for such a young age but I admire you for using the knowledge to get rid of it.
I sometimes think the older we get and the people we chum with can add to our symptoms, I'm in the over 50 crowd and seldom do we socialize with friends or family anymore without the topic of back pain, arm, neck et pain coming up, and the normal jargon " it all goes down hill when you reach 50, whereas when younger seldom did the conversation drift to the aches and pains of daily life.
I think its kinda of natural mindset in society that when one grows older aches and pain are normal and we all have them, seems most people I know now are going to PT, chiros, or on meds of some sort.
Kinda like a change reaction thing, and its instilled in our minds that we will have pain later in life. |
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Effie
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Posted - 09/23/2008 : 11:43:21
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I agree with LuvtoSew -- after reading Dr. Sarno's books I realized that I had deep-rooted fear of turning 50, he mentions that turning 50 is a trigger for a lot of people -- although I had realized I was afraid of getting older and was trying to accept that fact, it was really bothering me on a much deeper level than I knew -- my pain started just a few months before I turned 50 and continued for well over a year before I discovered Dr. Sarno and TMS. I also had some shoulder problems when I turned 49 and then a whiplash injury about six months before turning 50 -- creating a classic combination of triggers according to Dr. Sarno, but after reading his books I felt that turning 50 was my primary trigger. One of the reasons I think it was so hard for me to accept was that my grandmother died when she was 55 and my mother died when she was 64, so on a subconscious level I felt my time was running out. Plus, I never really realized how hard it is to let go of your youth -- I always just assumed older people liked being older or something, but I've deeply mourned the loss of my youth.
But miraculously, just "knowing" what caused it has helped me to break the cycle and "step out of the way" as Scott puts it -- I like that way of putting it -- I had seen many doctors who could find nothing wrong and my last doctor had diagnosed me with "chronic myofacial pain" which I now believe is one of those diagnoses they make specifically for people with TMS. Sometimes I wish one of my doctors would have had the courage just to say "nothing is wrong with you!" But maybe I wouldn't have believed it until I was ready to accept it. Once I found out about TMS, I stopped "all treatments" immediately, which at the time was physical therapy and trigger-point massage -- I got better so fast it was amazing. The PT and massage were just keeping me focused on "it", I think. I still feel "twinges" almost daily, but I turn my attention away from them immediately and they go away without my even noticing it. |
Edited by - Effie on 09/23/2008 12:10:48 |
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