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RageSootheRatio
Canada
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 Posted - 07/06/2008 : 09:19:39
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I know that Dr Sarno talks about the Rage/Soothe ratio in terms of when symptoms might arise, and Dr. Brady talks about the "reservoir" of unconscious emotions and how that activates the autonomic nervous system. But I was watching the Dr Schubiner videos last night (I thought they were EXCELLENT and very helpful, btw) and he talks about a DIRECT correlation between noticing a symptom, what the emotional component might be and the immediate cessation of that symptom! He gives several examples in his blog also, including the immediate cessation of allergic reaction and chest pain, once the person realized what the mind-body connection was (ie what they were stressed about).
I know for myself, that one of my symptoms started during a time of extreme stress in my life because my mother was very ill. However, knowing that has done nothing to alleviate the symptom *at all* and I have had no success with it at all using my TMS approach of journalling, talking to my pain etc (which has been VERY successful with headaches, so not sure why that is!) The sinus part of my headache condition I DID correlate with another stressful situation, which I could tie to a specific DAY/event, but not sure that knowledge helped cure it (I have attributed that to the overall journalling and talking to the pain.)
Anyway, I wonder if I am missing something in making a more direct correlation to stressful events and my symptoms? Do you have to talk to your symptoms about it and actually say something specific like, "OK I know I my mother was ill then and I was extremely stressed and you can cut it out, now!" ??? Just wondered what other people have found, because just *knowing* about the stressors involved at the time hasn't really helped at all. (And that particular problem around my mother's illness has long since resolved. Although maybe I need to journal about it more as maybe my own FEELINGS around it are still lurking underneath?)
Any feedback /insights /experiences on this topic would sure be welcomed! Thanks in advance! |
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mizlorinj
USA
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Posted - 07/06/2008 : 10:23:23
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I found sometimes pain alleviates immediately after identifying/addressing; sometimes it doesn't. I have found journaling to be a Godsend for me and I write (or talk with trusted friend who can simply listen nonjudgementally) about anything that could possibly be an issue or irked me in the tiniest way.
I find that speaking kindly to myself is key. I'm not one who yells at the pain or my body.
I agree there may be something else you need to identify about your mother's issue. Maybe just take out a pen and see where it leads you? Angry? Sad? Afraid? Guilty? It may take time. If you think there is still something there though, that may very well be your intuition telling you there is. Be patient. It may come to you soon; it may not. You may uncover something else.
If you are stuck in a symptom, I suggest Louise Hay's You Can Heal Your Life book's charts of symptoms/likely causes/affirmations. She may pose a different angle to think about.
Reading a fascinating book entitled YOUR BODY SPEAKS YOUR MIND and the direct correlation of symptoms to emotions. There is no hiding that our body captures and stores unresolved emotions/events. Some may remain in our unconscious for a long time, but others can and do surface to our conscious mind.
Best wishes for healing,
Lori |
Edited by - mizlorinj on 07/06/2008 10:28:55 |
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joli
USA
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Posted - 07/06/2008 : 17:59:57
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i love her books, i do think we need to remember that it is ok to be upset, mad, angry and she herself said she had to yell into a pillow and punch it when she had deep feelings.
her books are very positive but one has to also do the house cleaning she talks about. great book.
I think therefore I am. |
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debbette
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Posted - 07/06/2008 : 18:32:03
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| I have found things work both ways for me. I've had pain disappear simply by realizing it was TMS and knowing why it was happening. Other times, I know what it is causing it and think about it and talk to it and journal but it takes longer to go away. No idea why...Especially when people die (I've had lots of people in my life die in the last 6 years) I seem to get bad anxiety and I know why but still suffer. |
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joli
USA
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Posted - 07/06/2008 : 19:44:21
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the inner child is scared that's why.
it's a total lost of control for the adult.
that's why . there's gotta be a spiritual core.
I think therefore I am. |
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armchairlinguist
USA
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 16:23:30
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I have never had this experience, so don't think it's something you "must" have. But some people do report it. I wish I did! I would love for the tense feelings in my muscles to go away immediately, but it takes a while.
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What were you expecting? |
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hottm8oh
USA
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Posted - 07/10/2008 : 14:04:39
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| My pain does not go away just by intellecutally acknowledging my feelings. I did, however, feel a good pain release 2 weeks ago during a time when I was truly visibly upset. Is the key here actually feeling those feelings vs. solely acknowledging them? This is where I'm still struggling to find the right answer for me. |
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mizlorinj
USA
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Posted - 07/10/2008 : 15:05:20
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just remembered a tidbit from a Louise Hay HYL workshop. There are 4 types of emotional releases:
crying (obvious)
sweating (like nerves before a speech?)
laughing
yawning!!
just thought I'd share!! |
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RageSootheRatio
Canada
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Posted - 07/10/2008 : 21:15:05
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I've been reading John Lee's "Facing the Fire" .... I guess *screaming* and other things he talks about would count as "emotional releases" !
Thanks for everyone's contributions to this topic. I have been mulling posts over and they have been helpful. Lori, I was quite interested in your idea about "speaking kindly to myself" rather than harshly telling a symptom to go away.
I don't think I've ever noticed a symptom go away as a result of an obvious "emotional release" (like crying or screaming). Normally what happens is symptoms seem better in that I just start having better days (just seem to "wake up" feeling better) or I do a combination of journaling / asking a symptom to go away and then it often seems to go away gradually, because a half hour later or so I'll notice it's gone, but nothing instantaneous.
On the other hand, I do seem to sometimes get "instantaneous symptoms" as a result of a direct mind-body link! Not sure why I don't get "instantaneous relief" that way, though! I think I need to start paying closer attention.
I would like to read that book, "Your body speaks your mind." Thanks for mentioning it. I also found it very interesting in John Lee's book that he talks about some of the research regarding journaling and improved health conditions, and also how he himself lost many of his chronic symptoms after writing one of his books (cathartic, I guess!)
What I find very noteworthy about Dr Sarno, Dr Brady, Dr Schubiner, etc, is that they have very definite and specific treatment /educational plans for TMS. I know I was sent to a psychiatrist many years ago because my doctor thought my symptoms were "stress-related" but neither my GP nor the psychiatrist had any treatment protocol around actually dealing with my symptoms in a mind-body way .. other than to try to diagnose me with depression / anxiety and try to treat those with psychotropic meds!
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