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Jena
USA
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 Posted - 07/05/2008 : 19:05:33
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| I'm having stomach pains,distention,bloating etc. Ive had an abdominal ultrasound howevervi think I should go for the endoscopy. I know ibs is the lower abdomen. So since mine is the upper it can't be tms or ibs right |
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joli
USA
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Posted - 07/05/2008 : 21:24:27
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yes it can.
Jena, I am not sure if I'm in a place to say this but I think you anxiety is playing a big one on your thoughts and fears.
It is all focused on your body like you mentioned before.
I would think about :
control
trust
self punishment
past trauma
denial of emotional hurts
I think and relate as well that if you want to be free you have to
face your fears a bit at a time, they will not vanish, look at them in the eye, you take charge.
Joli
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speedskater1970
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Posted - 07/06/2008 : 09:16:08
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Hi Jenna, I put this reply in the other post I started too, but wanted to mention what the doctors told me. Not sure what the symptoms you are haveing are, but basically I had very loose stool, every day, 4 to 5 times per day for 4 months. Doctors said it was stress, they were correct. There are some hormones that can go into overdrive which push everything though the intestines too fast. My other symptoms were just a constant upset stomache, could hardly eat, no appetitie.
Here is the other post:
Three summers ago I had stomache problems, did not have a solid bowle movement for 4 MONTHS! Could not eat, lost 10 pounds, went to see a gastroentoligist and he subscribed me an antidepresent because I was "Too Stressed".
(note: at this time three summers ago I did not know of TMS)
I knew I was working too much. So when I got the antidepresents I put the bottle on my shelf, and looked at it every day and the temtation to start taking them was very strong.
I did not take them.
I did a few other things:
1) started going to Tuesday morning mass with my Dad to show myself I could put something ahead of church
2) cut back on the work load
3) worked on my 1968 Firebird
4) Yoga and Meditation
Gradually things returned to normal.
This past January, I again took on more work than I konw I should have and the problems started. Could not sit, pain every day, and you know the rest.
I just finished a huge project and have again learned my personal work-load limits again and hope to never have them return.
Thank you for the post. The Sciatica is getting less every day.
And it DOES move around! My foot started to hurt the the other day. |
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Pd245
58 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2008 : 13:17:52
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Hi Jenna-
I have the same symptoms - gas, distention, terrible stomach pain. I had all the tests done and the doctor said it was IBS. I think they give that diagnosis when they don't know what it is. Regardless, I try to treat it as tms. But for short term relief, I guzzle tons of water and its the only relief I get from the pain. You have to guzzle it fast, though, so that you can feel it hitting that painful spot in your stomach. |
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mizlorinj
USA
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 14:56:36
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Isn't IBS listed in TDM as a tms equivalent? I prefer to go with: "mind/body syndrome" these days.
A month or two ago I had done some heavy (Louise Hay YCHYL workbook) forgiveness work and got bloating and abdominal pains the next day--steady pain in the appendix area too. Was a bit scared, I'll admit! After initial fear subsided, I realized there was no reason to have any pain and did the affirmations in You Can Heal Your Life book for abdominal, appendix, etc. since I figured there had to be some emotion involved. Day after I did the affirmations, writing them and saying them out loud, the bloating and pain was less, following day gone and I could lie on my tummy pain-free. has not come back.
I did not go search the internet for the symptoms--that's for sure! |
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Jena
USA
195 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2008 : 17:06:35
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thanks for the replies, however; i dont know htis is is strange to me im not sure if i can clasify my stomach as bloated, distended, or swollen.... its like hypothetically you were pushing to have a baby my upper abdomen would push out more a lot more.
i also can be hypochondriacal im really having these symptoms but i worry to the extreme and always think cancer... im obsessed with my lymphnodes lately and ia utomatically think a have huge lymphnodes that are pushing on my stomach to push it out like that. sometimes i cant breathe so i think the same thing they are pushing on my lungs... im getting a CT scan next week hopefully. i wish i could just live and stop worrying about cancer im 23 years old.
i also get these sharp pains deep deep in my throat that scare the hell out of me. idk whats goin on with me anymore. |
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golden_girl
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 19:22:26
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Jena - you really have to accept that you're being hypochondrical. I have been there, so many times. A headache for days means a brain tumour, a sore throat means meningitis, a stomach ache means appendicitis. Everytime it goes away, you HAVE to accept that it was nothing.
I often get strange stomach pains thesedays. I might begin to panic and think APPENDICITIS OH NO WHAT WILL I DO - I HAVE to accept that that means hospital and I would be so ill at that point it wouldn't matter. Instead, if I have pains in my gallbladder area, or further down, I simply repeat over and over "I am healing, I am healed". Over and over, and the pains ALWAYS disappear.
You have to try and let the hypochondria go. If you don't, then the life you will live with it may be worse than the life you would live with whatever disease you could imagine you might have.
"F.E.A.R.
Forgive Everyone And Remember
For Everything A Reason"
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Jena
USA
195 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2008 : 23:38:16
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| my biggest problem is searching up my symptoms online. i have been getting a sharp pain near my ovaries... lately anyway online it says ovarian cancer ovarian cancer! im like OMG WHAT?!?!? im 23 years old no one in my family has had cancer (thank god) im dieing! It is not true you are right. i need to get a ct scan over with the i am getting symptoms that i dont think are tms related. i mean they very well could be but the sharp pain in my throat like esphogal pain?!?!? i cant help but think cancer or tumor i dont know enough about whatever eelse that could be causing this. sometimes I think I am being hypochondriacal but just because I am a health worrier doesnt always mean I am wrong. So after my ct scan i am hoping everyhting looks fantastic and Ill work on the TMS work. ill keep u updated |
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mizlorinj
USA
490 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 07:32:58
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I had pains that I thought were ovaries a few years back. So bad I went to doc. She did an internal that was painless, so it wasn't ovaries. A day or two later, after I had an, um, intestinal/colon cleanout, if you know what I mean (naturally occurring, so in its own time), the pains were GONE. So intestinal pain can be thought to be reproductive pain since it's all in the same area.
More important than current symptoms though, Jena, how about exploring where these health scares come from? Did something happen in your family? Were your parents hypochondriacs and they projected that onto you? Is someone else doing this? If you feel the doc has the answer, please meet your need and go to the doc. However, continually having some sort of symptom and going to get checked out is clearly not getting to the source of your issue. Which at 23, likely is not a major physical issue!
Best wishes for healing,
Lori |
Edited by - mizlorinj on 07/10/2008 07:33:41 |
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joli
USA
51 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 17:59:42
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Jena,
Look I'm not the one who will tell you to relax because I know how you feel, i have the same thoughts patterns. If you continue to chase those symptoms, you will waste your time, your energy because soething else will come up soon after.
The answer is psychotherapy,maybe anti anxiety and continue doing TMS work.
It will not end with this CT scan even if it is 100 % normal.
Find a really good therapist.
Talk to your friends and family about what you feel.
I know you are scared, I really do, but you have a pure manifestations of
anxiety and hypochondria: it has nothing to do with wanting to be healthy, if you thinkabout it all this stress is not that good for your health.
Especially, it makes you unhappy.
If something is wrong , you wil know when you need to know and
this is life. I think you might be afraid to live not to die.
Did you have trauma? Why so scared?
What did you see, hear,
do you trust anyone?
I know it's hard.
keep us updated
jOli
I think therefore I am. |
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armchairlinguist
USA
1397 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2008 : 16:19:11
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Jena, here is a thought. How many times have you scared yourself with a symptom? How many times has it actually been something urgently serious? If you were that sick like you thought each of those times, you'd be in bad condition by now. Instead, you're the same as before. Nothing's getting worse, it just moves around and messes with your head. That's TMS for you. It's not that this works on your rational mind per se (I have done enough worrying to know that is not the case), but I think by relentlessly comparing your worst fear to what is actually true you can teach your conscious and your unconscious to behave differently when you become anxious.
I took this approach recently on a trip I was going on. I was nervous about all sorts of things, which is not really usual for me these days -- I am generally a pretty cool cucumber about traveling and my anxiety about life in general has ratcheted down a lot over the last two or three years.
I worked out what I was worried about and wrote down a lot of my worries (for documentation, without thinking too much about the implications of them). I even wrote down the really silly things like worrying the relatives I was staying with would think I was rude and throw me out, as well as normal ones like I will be late for the plane and my grandmother will think it's ridiculous that I'm vegetarian. And then during and after the trip, I would think "Okay, that didn't happen. That didn't come true. That went perfectly. Everything was great today. This happened but it turned out just fine." Almost every single thing on my trip went just fine, and when they didn't work out as I hoped, it usually had no really major or unfixable consequences.
By relentlessly comparing my fears to the reality, I can see more clearly than ever that my only real problem is that I imagine that there may be problems! If I can condition my brain to stop always imagining problems, then 99% of my problems will go away, and I'll be better able to deal with the other 1%.
I think the same is true for you. It sounds like you may need some help with the process. Please consider seeing a therapist if you are not already, or check out a good book such as Women and Anxiety or Byron Katie's book (I used to not be a fan of BK, but lately I have found the book really helpful) or one of the other recommended books (search the forum, I think a few others have been suggested for anxiety).
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Jena
USA
195 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2008 : 10:56:46
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I just want to say that I really appreciate everyone taking the time to speak with me about what is going on with me. This forum is my savior and so are all of you people = ) I have to stop looking up symptoms and risks and incident rates online about cancer! I have to stop ! I do speak to a therapist I have been seeing her for a bout 2-3 months now. She told me I am actually addicted (like an alcoholic addicted to alcohol) to googling my symptoms, and I feel this is true. Yesterday at work I was having a ok day i wasnt really thinking of anything or stressed and than the craziest symptom happened. I am a waitress at a greek restaurant and I must of greeted about 5 tables already. Around the time of the 6th table I greeted my speech started acting funny. For example I couldnt spit out the words and I was pronouncing things wrong (very odd) Also my friends little sister came into my job to eat and when i greeted her my eyes could not stay on her face they would drift off to the left without me voluntarily doing it. i think that is so scary. it would just go to the left and look at the environment behind her and off her face you know what I mean? my mom is like its stress but I feel that the speech and eye problems have nothing to do with stress, this must be something more serious! So i cried and cried last night wishing I felt like myself again I dont know who I am anymore. I used to never be afraid.
I was always that type of person who was genuinly always happy, of course if i had a real bad day i always put a smile on my face anyway. I always was a worrier about stuff but not so much my health. Now I am obsessed with my health. I poke at my body constantly to feel for lumps. I take my temperature 5 times a day and blood pressure (i have an at home blood pressure machine. Ive practically memorized all the brain tumor symptoms and underlines the ones I have. This was not who I was 5 years ago but than I think well I didnt have these symptoms 5 years ago.... I have heard that woman and anxiety book and Ive decided im going to take it out of the library. Im willing to try anything. Journaling is a great idea and its good that you did that armchair. You ask how many times I scare myself with a symptom and thats a great question. I would say every single day at least twice a day. Ive never gotten a ct scan before or endoscopy but ive had blood work and 2 heart tests like ekg and echocardiogram and it was nothing. I no longer worry about my heart though since the tests came up negative. Oh yah I had an abdominal ultrasound 3 months ago and an xray 1 year ago. all negative.
joli you ask questions if i trust anyone and stuff well to make a long story short my hypochondria has gotten a lot worse since me and my ex boyfriend broke up. he cheated on me with many woman and i didnt know till after we broke up in fact he doesnt even know i know so I can see this enraging me. he lied to me countless times and has given me the hpv virus by cheating on me so you can imagine how I feel about thi sperson now. I was hypochondriacal when I was dating him but at the same time iw as obsessed with trying to find out if he was cheating on me than when we broke up i didnt have to "find anything out anymore" whether he was cheating on my so my hypochondria worsened. I am not sure if this has anything to do it with anything though just something to think abotu I guess. any thoughts? |
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Jena
USA
195 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2008 : 11:01:55
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| Oh yah another weird symptom ive been having when i wake up i feel like there was an elephant sitting on my chest all night. very odd feeling. like pressure. Also shortness of breath is mostly at night but every night!! my throat also feels very tight! of course than being who I am i worry about sleep apnea and that maybe my brain tumor is causing me to stop breathing at night since it effects unconscious thingslike blood pressure and the beat of your heart... ugh sometimes i just have to laugh how ridiculous I am . I just wish the symptoms would go away! |
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armchairlinguist
USA
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Posted - 07/12/2008 : 16:01:43
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of course if i had a real bad day i always put a smile on my face anyway. I always was a worrier about stuff
Jena, it sounds like you have many of the typical TMS traits. Always smiling even if you are not happy puts a lot of pressure on the unconscious, which just wants to be angry and act out. It's goodist. And you have clearly had a lot of stress with what's going on with your ex-boyfriend. I'm sorry to hear all that -- you deserve better.
So you say that you get scared pretty much every single day, twice a day even. Well, it's just not possible that you could have so many symptoms all the time if they were serious. Talk about incident rates, think about this: most people (especially in their 20s) don't get any serious diseases or conditions at all. The likelihood is so tiny, and it's made even smaller by the fact that nothing is getting worse, really. You just move around having all these symptoms, all of which seem to be explainable by TMS or anxiety.
You really have to change the way you think. There is nothing easy about this -- it is hard -- but it is very simple. Have you tried using your conscious mind to create statements you can say to yourself when you are scared? This is something I find helpful. You use the TMS reminders. "There's nothing physically wrong, it's just TMS." "It's just my repressed emotions trying to come out. It's physically benign."
You need to change your approach,. Sarno talks about belief, but I think it's more important to change your perspective and your approach, your behavior, because that's how you show your unconscious that you're serious about this new perspective.
You are addicted to Googling your symptoms because it provides a distraction from your emotions. You need to stop the distractions and get with your emotions. When you find yourself thinking about your symptoms, Googling, whatever...you have to turn the thinking off. Think about your emotions. If you have time and space you can do it for a while, otherwise just use a statement about emotions and how this is TMS and go back to what you were really doing before you got distracted.
It's all pretty much the fundamentals -- they're not easy, but they are simple.
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joli
USA
51 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2008 : 18:30:41
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Jena, listen, I'm sure of it girl, I'm really sure and I don't say I'm sure unless I'm sure that you are ok physically. we all get sick at times but that is not your problem. your emotions are being expressed through your body symptoms. Also, if there was something wrong , you would be taken of. It is all a huge distraction.
you have a thought pattern, i loop, a cycle, that you can't get rid of.
the fact that it got worst has a lot to do with your nasty ex.
we, TMS people, are very sensitive, worriers, and at times depend (sarno book) on external things for self value. You scared yourself to death that he is cheating on you and then you confirms your fear. NOW, you lost any faith that any of your fears will not come true. you feel like there is no safe place. BUT THERE IS. first it is within you, keep working, "I'm safe", "I'm ok", all day long and work with a therapist.
second, remember it will pass, it is just a very hard time in your life, it will not stay like this.
third, DO NOT GOOGLE, ask a doc, ask your mom, talk to friends.
fourth-ADMIT to yourself and someone you trust your ugliest emotions and far about life in 5, 10, 15 years that has nothing to do with health issues:love:kids: school: well being, friends, family relationships , past traumas etc.
Fifth:take breathing and meditation classes.
Sixth:don't be alone a lot, force yourself to hang out around poeple as much as possible.
Seventh: find a workout you like.
Put on loud music you love.
but you don't have to do it all at once (-;
There are good guys out there, good people and you are a worthy good girl to be happy.
Q: do you know you have the right to be happy?
Q: what about your dad? where is he?
Your mind needs a change, not your body.
I think therefore I am. |
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skizzik
USA
783 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2008 : 18:39:09
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Originally posted by Jena
I have heard that woman and anxiety book and Ive decided im going to take it out of the library.
sorry, I had a chuckle at this . But theres nothing funny about what your'e going thru Jena.
she's Claire Weekes, and her words are as soothing as Sarno's. I bet you feel 50% better just reading the book. "hope and help for your nerves" was good.
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la_kevin
USA
351 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2008 : 21:43:15
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IBS and Acid Reflux= VERY VERY TMS Influenced
Got the T-shirt from that one.
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"Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans"- John Lennon |
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