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TOSPATIENT

USA
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Posted - 12/02/2004 :  09:23:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi all,

I've had vascular thoracic outlet syndrome (VTOS) for three years. It all started with muscle spasms in my neck resulting from -- what else? -- anxiety, fear, anger and depression. My neck muscles remain stiff, despite my awareness of TMS...or in this case, a "TMS equivalent", that's affecting me. I'm a 33 year old male, generally fit, with very low cholestorol and blood pressure. This all started when I was 30.

Specifically, my anterior scalene muscles are spasmed -- moreso my right scalene muscle in my neck. This in turn leads to chronic lightheadedness, imbalance, fatigue and blurry eye symptoms. Scary stuff, and it's every hour, unless I lie down to allow the blood to "even out" to my head.

My dad went in for a routine check up and came back with literature on stroke prevention yesterday. Looking over his literature, I noticed pinpointed issues involving the carotid and cerebral arteries, stenosis, thrombis, and other structural issues that are involved in strokes or transcient ischematic attacks (TIA).

From researching VTOS, I know that the cerebral artery is affected due to circulatory compromises resulting from my tightened neck. However, I'm curious if anyone would know if I would be facing a risk of stroke, or even TIA, due to the resulting condition of my TMS.

TMS, indeed, can lead to complications. I need some informed input on this, and on what to do. Please feel free to also respond to me via payamiam@yahoo.com

Many thanks,
Pye

tennis tom

USA
4749 Posts

Posted - 12/02/2004 :  10:03:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dear TOSPATIENT, good news, from my exam of you from cyberspace, you have TMS! (boilerplate-I am not a doctor so don't sue my sorry butt if I am wrong because it has been punished enough). Go to page 93 of MBP and read the section on THORACIC OUTLET SYNDROME.

"TMS, indeed, can lead to complications." WRONG!

TMS is mild reduction of blood flow that is NOT serious but is physicaly harmless and excutiatingly painful.

Read page 93-94 of MBP and see me later and let me know how you feel.

I've always found, when I'm "sick" the worst thing I could do was read medical or psycholgy books, (EXCEPT SARNO)--every symptom applied to me from heart attack to incurable inferiority complex.
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TOSPATIENT

USA
13 Posts

Posted - 12/02/2004 :  10:52:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Many thanks for your reply, Tom. Indeed, I've read Sarno's Mindbody Prescription and Healing Back Pain, Fred Amir's book and completed the Mindbody workbook.

I'm familiar with Sarno's coverage of thoracic outlet syndrome in MBP. However, after consideration and consultation, I have a sense that Sarno at best addresses neurogenic TOS (I.E. the painful TOS) in that book. I have the vascular TOS, which poses conspicuously disturbing circulatory symptoms, yet little pain symptoms (aside from occasional tension headaches). Vascular TOS is different, and the medical community urges surgery for it, whereas they urge more conservative treatment for the painful version of TOS.

Of course, this all sounds like excess verbiage to the TMS group...verbiage like that which Sarno urges us to avoid. However, I wouldn't know about Sarno or TMS without conducting my own due diligence. The same due diligence has brought me to an awareness of this acute disorder involving vascular issues. A bit of standard, precautionary medical science and anatomy is needed here, in addition to the TMS assistance.

I would thus love to get some acutely informed, possibly even medically versed, input from these boards on any potential connection between vascular TOS and the likelihood of stroke/TIA.

Many thanks again,
P
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Texasrunner

USA
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Posted - 12/02/2004 :  14:02:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
TMS can cause alarming heart palpitations too. Ones that last all day for months. (I know, I had them. I'm sure doctors would have a field day with them, including recommending surgery. But guess what? They go away completely once you realize they are TMS!
PS: The fact that you have very low cholestorol and blood pressure probably puts you in the lowest possible category for stroke.

Edited by - Texasrunner on 12/02/2004 14:03:32
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