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Baseball65
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 Posted - 09/18/2007 : 17:13:11
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So.. my son was accepted and is now enrolled in a program at Vanderbilt university where once a week he gets to work with PhD's in different fields in the actual laborotories (splng?) that they are doing their research inside of.This is very, very cool since he's only in 9th grade and gets to do this for the next four years.It's a brand new program and he is part of the first 25 kids ever to be enrolled.
By coincidence, I got to go into the Gastro Lab, where there is several thousand square feet dedicated solely to the investigations around H. pylori. I got to meet the lead Doctor in charge of the research and found out some neat-o stuff.
50 per cent of all americans (plus or minus) have H pylori in their gut. 100% of people in the third world and developing nations have it.
He told me they believe it to be the major cause of stomach cancer and ulcers. I of course asked him "why don't half of americans have ulcers and cancer"
He said, quite humbly, that that is exactly WHY they are still studying it. I got to look into a microscope at some LIVE biopsied H. Pylori's from infected tissue.
So...it seems that even in the cutting edge of this technology they only know there is some sort of relationship, but he made it clear that the H pylori from sick people does NOT look like the H pylorae from people with the bacteria who have no symptoms.
Just thought I'd throw that out there. I know we've discussed this a lot since ulcers and TMS seem to be first cousins.
I would be lying if I didn't say that the first thing that I thought of was that study where those Israeli rheumatologists found a slightly higher amount of people in pain in only one of five possible back pain 'culprits' (from the Sarno Cd's)
Regardless.... now that my son has access and involvement in this type of research, I'm going to pay a little more attention
BTW... the program director discussed the sponsors of the programs and the grants. They are all Pharmaceutical and chemical companies.
Think that might affect the outcome of the research? Maybe skew it a hair?
sorry... I'm so cynical
bb65
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art
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Posted - 09/18/2007 : 18:06:08
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TW... the program director discussed the sponsors of the programs and the grants. They are all Pharmaceutical and chemical companies.
Think that might affect the outcome of the research? Maybe skew it a hair? quote:
Somewhere between a hair and a goat whisker I'd say... |
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cfhunter
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Posted - 09/18/2007 : 18:53:24
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Hey baseball where do you live??!!!
Are you in Nashville TN? |
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justme
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Posted - 09/18/2007 : 20:33:17
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Hey Baseball-
According to a lot of reading I have done in the area of metaphysics, almost all research is skewed by the observer effect. Once something is observed by someone the result is already skewed by the person's expectations. Read the book , The Field, by Lynne McTaggart. It is great.
The most famous physics experiment proving this has to do with light being both a particle and a wave. From our human understanding it is impossible for light to be both a particle and a wave. They are entirely different things with different properties. However, physics has proved that it is both a particle and a wave. Expand this theory out a little more and you end up with the idea that our minds invent the creations or reality that appears before us.
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Baseball65
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Posted - 09/18/2007 : 20:35:25
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Originally posted by cfhunter
Hey baseball where do you live??!!!
Are you in Nashville TN?
Yes.. I live in Nash-vegas west (Union occupied CSA)
I lived in LA for 30 something years and moved here 3 years ago.
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mamaboulet
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Posted - 09/19/2007 : 06:48:51
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quote:
Originally posted by Baseball65
I got to look into a microscope at some LIVE biopsied H. Pylori's from infected tissue.
So...it seems that even in the cutting edge of this technology they only know there is some sort of relationship, but he made it clear that the H pylori from sick people does NOT look like the H pylorae
I'm curious about the difference and what the researchers think of it. Same bug, right? How does it look different? Are there more? Bigger? Clusters? |
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Baseball65
USA
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Posted - 09/19/2007 : 21:31:04
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Originally posted by mamaboulet
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Originally posted by Baseball65
I got to look into a microscope at some LIVE biopsied H. Pylori's from infected tissue.
So...it seems that even in the cutting edge of this technology they only know there is some sort of relationship, but he made it clear that the H pylori from sick people does NOT look like the H pylorae
I'm curious about the difference and what the researchers think of it. Same bug, right? How does it look different? Are there more? Bigger? Clusters?
Oh... I'm going to ask them. The doctor supervising the lab is also part of the core staff and I'm sure I'll get to pick his brain further... I just didn't want to overwhelm him with questions on the very first day for my son.
I don't know what a 'normal' one is supposed to look like... I only had 'contaminated' slides...didn't get to do any comparisons.
I'll let you guys and gals know as soon as I get more info
-bb65
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mamaboulet
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Posted - 09/20/2007 : 06:11:36
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| Thanks. This kind of thing really tickles my curious bone. |
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