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shawnsmith
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 Posted - 08/15/2007 : 10:40:47
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Littlebird
USA
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 15:32:47
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| Interesting. It has a particular meaning to me. I'm wondering what meaning it has to you, if you'd be interested in sharing that. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 16:02:21
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Ahhhh, students of English lit. know that poets are the worst commentators on their own work. I find it more important for you to discover what it means to you. Allow my words to blend with your mind and experience the feeling that results.
But yes, as a surface meaning, I am a very lonely person.
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Sarno-ize it!
Read chapter 4 of Dr. Sarno's "The Divided Mind." It's all you need to know in order to recover. |
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stanfr
USA
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 18:59:14
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nice poem, but oh so sad. well, i made use of your grape poem, Shawn; ive just written music for it (death metal-influenced, of course) and it's going on my next album! will probably go platinum...
That'll teach you to include a copyright statement next time!  |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 08/16/2007 : 07:52:22
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metal heads and songs of grapes? Nahhhhhhhhh
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Sarno-ize it!
Read chapter 4 of Dr. Sarno's "The Divided Mind." It's all you need to know in order to recover. |
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drziggles
USA
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Posted - 08/16/2007 : 10:40:46
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Count me in the metalhead category--am I seeing some TMS/heavy metal link?  |
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n/a
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Posted - 08/16/2007 : 11:15:51
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Sean - The sadness in the poem comes through. I took from it that the poet (you) are talking about memories long past of childhood happiness being taken away - possibly to be replaced by shame and guilt.
As well as that - it reminded me (and this is where poetry is so good at jogging feelings long buried) that I was pretty idealistic once upon a time. Like many people, I wouldn't buy South African fruit because of the racist government that existed prior to Nelson Mandela's release. The best grapes came from South Africa. Not eating the grape made me mull over that I have become more cynical these days.
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 08/16/2007 : 15:24:18
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AnneG
That is an interesting reflection on the poem. Yes, youthful idealism can sometimes be replaced with cynicsm.
There are some places I will not shop at, but I am not a fanatic. WalMart- for example- is out for me. But I understand that people with lower incomes need to save money so they shop there.
What do you make of the following line?
"Don't put that in your mouth,"
he hears somewhere from
the distant past.
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Sarno-ize it!
Read chapter 4 of Dr. Sarno's "The Divided Mind." It's all you need to know in order to recover. |
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stanfr
USA
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Posted - 08/16/2007 : 18:23:42
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We all put things in our mouth that we weren't supposed to as kids. This represents childlike innocence, but also naivety. The higher voice 'protects' us by warning us of its potential danger (and as kids, we listen, and incorporate into our own thought process), just as TMS 'protects' us from the danger of our regurgitated past, but the unfortunate result is the abandonment of the grape to non-fulfillment (for you equate yourself to the grape) and gradual physical collapse and demise.
The solution: ignore the grape, STOP CRYING OVER SOUR GRAPES!! |
Edited by - stanfr on 08/16/2007 18:25:28 |
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Posted - 08/17/2007 : 02:59:27
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"Don't put that in your mouth,"
he hears somewhere from
the distant past.
Hi Shawn
That says to me - a child who was given a sense of shame, made to feel guilty, but not knowing why. The fact that the grape is on the ground actually makes it potentially harmful and that suggests to me that deep down, the adult that child became still suffers from the negative conditioning from childhood - hence the relevance to a TMS condition.
I may be way off mark, but poetry allows, more than prose, the reader to apply the thoughts expressed in the words to their own experiences and thoughts.
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