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shawnsmith

Czech Republic
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Posted - 06/28/2007 :  14:05:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a riddle. If a person diagnosed with TMS experiences an intensification of physical symptoms in the course of an activity, what does that indicate?

Hint: The purpose of the symptoms is to distract one from repressed unconscious emotions.

Think about it. The answer is in the question.

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h2oskier25

USA
395 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2007 :  15:42:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thought you left . . .
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Penny

USA
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Posted - 06/28/2007 :  15:50:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by shawnsmith

Here is a riddle. If a person diagnosed with TMS experiences an intensification of physical symptoms in the course of an activity, what does that indicate?


I'll play: It indicates that the person should keep on doing the activity with even more determination and stay focused on the activity NOT the sx. It may also indicate that the activity itself is a trigger for TMS, and perhaps the unconscious believes that by NOT doing the activity there is more to be gained than lost.

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K2toK9

29 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2007 :  20:03:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So, did standing a good part of the day painting my living room walls cause the increase in foot and leg pain (seems reasonable) or the upsetting conversation with a family member? And, do I keep standing and painting or rest my feet or avoid upsetting people or all of it or none of it??

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shawnsmith

Czech Republic
2048 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2007 :  21:01:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
h2oskier25 and k2tok9

you did not answer the question so you get the boobie prize



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weatherman

USA
184 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2007 :  21:31:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by K2toK9

So, did standing a good part of the day painting my living room walls cause the increase in foot and leg pain (seems reasonable) or the upsetting conversation with a family member? And, do I keep standing and painting or rest my feet or avoid upsetting people or all of it or none of it??

K2toK9



It HAS to be the painting - one of the most miserable activities in the world in my opinion Not that it's painful, just the sheer monotony of it.

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art

1903 Posts

Posted - 06/29/2007 :  07:38:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
[quote]Originally posted by shawnsmith

h2oskier25 and k2tok9

you did not answer the question so you get the boobie prize


Yes, but you didn't answer the question either.
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2scoops

USA
386 Posts

Posted - 06/29/2007 :  13:43:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Conditioning
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K2toK9

29 Posts

Posted - 06/29/2007 :  15:52:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dear ShawnSmith,

I am going to buy the book tonight. I obviously have some reading to do.

Always,
K2toK9
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Jim1999

USA
210 Posts

Posted - 06/29/2007 :  23:01:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Shawn,

It seems like the answer you are looking for is that the person has repressed emotions related to the activity.

2scoops answer (conditioning) is also very plausible.

Jim
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shawnsmith

Czech Republic
2048 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2007 :  07:18:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Some of you answered the riddle correctly, which actually has two components.

The answer is that there must be something in the
activity itself that is emoting threatening emotions
and thus the pain is initiated by the brain to produce
a distraction. The key, then, is to ask the question
"what emotions is this activity generating that makes
it necessary for the brain to create distracting
symptoms?" These symptoms are in fact emotional
repressors. See Arlene Feinblatt's comments in TDM page 156 who writes:

"For example, if a patient associates the onset of pain with a long car trip, the therapist should pose questions regarding the circumstances of the trip, the purpose of the trip, the patient's state of mind about making the trip, as well as the emotional outcome of the trip."

And this is what Dr. Sopher says in the same book:

"On the flip side, it is important not to be discouraged if symptoms
arise during the course of an activity. It simply means that more
mental work must be done. It is easy for fear and its compatriot,
doubt, to creep in. “Maybe it isn’t TMS, maybe I do have a physical
problem” are common thoughts. The best advice is to simply
acknowledge this fear as part of the old conditioning, of the brain’s
strategy to have you believe there is a physical problem."




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Stryder

686 Posts

Posted - 07/05/2007 :  16:41:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by h2oskier25

Thought you left . . .


quote:
Originally posted by shawnsmith

This just in. Dr Sarno says get off the net and resume normal physical activity.



I thought he had taken his own advice.
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