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Newmom
USA
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 Posted - 06/04/2007 : 11:31:25
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| Does anybody know what Dr. Sarno's opinion is about this forum? |
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Newmom
USA
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Posted - 06/05/2007 : 11:29:46
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| I was looking forward to finding this out. Am I missing something? Has this already been discussed and I can't find anything. Anybody? |
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armchairlinguist
USA
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Posted - 06/05/2007 : 15:19:45
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Very likely no one has ever mentioned it to him...
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Wherever you go, there you are. |
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MikeySama
Netherlands
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Posted - 06/05/2007 : 16:01:29
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Sarno probably knows there are places online where you can get help. Seeing as this one is probably one of the more popular ones, he might know about it.
As for his opinion about it... maybe if someone here has been to sarno. Maybe they might know the answer... |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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electraglideman
USA
162 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2007 : 19:25:36
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| With so few TMS Doctors around to help us TMS'ers, I would be very disappointed if he did not approve of this forum. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Stryder
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Posted - 06/05/2007 : 21:14:46
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Hi Newmom,
There have been a couple threads in the forum about your post. I beleive on more than one occasion, forum member(s) seeing the Good Doctor as a patient(s) mentioned the TMSHelp Forum (.com) to him. I believe he acknowledged that it was good that people were associating around the subject, but I don't believe he has been here. I get the impression he may still use a typewriter for his writing, and at 83+ years old getting a keyboard into his hands is probably not a high priority of his.
Another forum member once mentioned to me that they liked the more trendy eyeglasses upgrade recently. Photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/virgorama/61873301/
Take care, -Stryder |
Edited by - Stryder on 06/05/2007 21:15:26 |
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Curiosity18
USA
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Posted - 06/05/2007 : 21:33:33
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Most definitely, the upgraded specs are a nice touch for the good doctor!
Curiosity |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2007 : 23:33:54
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I would be curious to know if he has ever lurked the board too. If he's like me, at the end of the day, the last thing he wants to do is read about stuff that he has been doing all day long for 30 years.I never look at boards pertaining to my business.
It would be interesting to have him be a guest here for a day and see how the Good Doctor replies to questions. Maybe someone here who sees him could invite him to participate on occassion and help him post if that's a problem for him.
Some of my favorite excerpts from " _THE DIVIDED MIND_ " :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 05:32:22
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The man is 83 years old. I doubt he is going to spend his sunset year skulking around on some message board. There would be nothing new for him to learn here. BTW, he graduated from medical school in 1950, so he he has been a doctor for 57 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*******
Sarno-ize it!
Do you have a pain-prone personality?
http://www.bradyinstitute.com/aboutBook/painProne.asp |
Edited by - shawnsmith on 06/06/2007 05:33:16 |
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stanfr
USA
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 16:42:05
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| Wow, i didn't realize the good doc was that old, i just spoke with him recently but haven't seen him in 10+ yrs, and back then i assumed he was in his 60s. The one thing i will say about him (which goes along with him not ever seeing this forum) is that he seems completely unconcerned with self-promotion, at least that's the impression i get. I mean, how many people do you know with such marketable insight that don't even have their own webpage?? |
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Stryder
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 20:14:18
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stanfr said: The one thing i will say about him (which goes along with him not ever seeing this forum) is that he seems completely unconcerned with self-promotion, at least that's the impression i get.
That's because he cares (that is, he is a real doctor).
TT said: "...the last thing he wants to do is read about stuff that he has been doing all day long for 30 years."
Yea, the first thing I do every evening after work is crack open the old laptop and write another computer program. Not likely. Usually i get out the axe and split some firewood.
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Newmom
USA
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Posted - 06/07/2007 : 09:28:17
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Thanks for the replys. I would not expect the good doctor to come to the board. Why would he, to give free advice? I don't give my services away for free and don't expect anybody else to either. He's already written several books that give his medical treatment away for nearly free. (I consider a book under $25 that can heal almost free compared to what one consultation would cost.)
However, I was more interested in his opinion of this board along the lines of if he thought this was helpful to his patients almost as a form of group therapy. You never know, he may not approve of this board and he may think that this hurts his patients progress. I am no longer in pain or have any symptoms, but I still check in periodically. Why, because now that I have discovered my cure, I am intrigued, and this is the only place I know of where there are other people who can relate. Is this a form of a good obsession? I want to get back to my life and forget that at one time the term TMS is in my daily thoughts. Isn't that everybody's goal? I mean childbirth is the most painful thing for most women, but once over, they move on and forget it. That's my knowledge therapy. That's my goal.
Just a few thoughts I had.
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truenorth
USA
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Posted - 06/07/2007 : 11:51:36
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| I mentioned it once when I saw him in his office. He seemed uninterested, as did two of his therapists when I told them. |
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Penny
USA
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Posted - 06/07/2007 : 15:08:23
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Originally posted by Newmom
Is this a form of a good obsession? I want to get back to my life and forget that at one time the term TMS is in my daily thoughts. Isn't that everybody's goal?
Congrats on your recovery ... that's AWESOME!!!! I think our forum is a good form of obsession (search the word obsessive and obsession and you'll find other posts about this topic) but for me, when I went off the board and stopped thinking about TMS, well that's when the sneaky bleeper got me again. I believe that once we know about TMS, daily practice and thoughts about it should become engrained in us, like needing food and water ... especially those of us with more stubborn pain manifestations.
>|< Penny
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."
The Great and Powerful Oz |
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lanycwriter
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Posted - 06/07/2007 : 18:00:45
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I hate to say this, because I know everyone here is going to jump all over me. This is my first post, largely because I just visit the site occasionally to read the "success stories." I myself was completely cured of lower back pain by reading Dr. Sarno's book five years ago.
I'm replying to this post because I recently developed a pain in my foot, and decided to go see a renowned expert in Dr. Sarno's methods (he studied with Sarno and now practices in Los Angeles, so I'm sure you can figure out who it is). I thought it would be interesting to talk to him, have him examine me, and confirm that the pain in my foot is a TMS equivalent (he did, and now it's gone).
When I mentioned this forum, that doctor actually said "I tell my patients not to go on there-- the people on that forum have a nasty habit of enabling each other's TMS-- it's like the blind leading the blind."
I'm sorry to be so harsh, but I have to agree-- I do see this here-- especially in some of the more frequent posters who clearly are not accepting the total concept of TMS, and start thread after thread describing physical ailments and psychological issues. I suppose it could be argued that you all are helping each other by consistently providing reminders that yes, this is TMS you're experiencing, but it does seem like the same people time and again, only with different problems, and this reassurance never sinks in. In fact, I recently logged on again after a year or so to find the name of a meditation program someone had mentioned, and was at once puzzled and dismayed to find certain members still here, doing the exact same posts. Isn't the whole point of TMS study to have a "graduation date," so to speak?
I guess I would just conclude by saying that all of this, the books, the journaling, ideally, this forum-- the purpose of all of it is to give you your life back-- even the therapists recommended by Sarno and his colleagues have a definite END date, after which they say you should be able to self-maintain, to identify problems as TMS, and to not let it stymie you every single time. I'm not saying this is true of all the members of this forum, but it certainly is of some.
I'm just posting this in response to NewMom, who asked about Sarno's response to this forum. Granted, I didn't hear it straight from the horse's mouth, but from one of his proteges, but he definitely recommended limited (or at least not long-term) use of the forum, as prolonged use can perpetuate the problem.
My two cents.
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armchairlinguist
USA
1397 Posts |
Posted - 06/07/2007 : 18:23:32
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I do have to wonder though -- what should those people who come back and back be doing, besides what they are already having trouble doing, which is maintaining on their own?
I'm going to guess that some of them are people who otherwise would eventually forget about TMS and revert to physical modality. I don't see how continuing to help them not to do that necessarily enables, though having the "security blanket" of always having the forum to run to, I suppose, could cause some who might otherwise get through it to keep coming back.
The bottom line, I suspect, is that this forum is like any other part of the TMS arsenal. It can be used well or badly as part of dealing with TMS, it's not good or bad of itself. I some good help at the beginning, and now I enjoy giving help to people in the same situation to help them get over the initial hump, and discussing emotional issues with the people further on or recovered who have that sort of interest.
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weatherman
USA
184 Posts |
Posted - 06/07/2007 : 20:48:01
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I have to say the board is a good thing in one big way - problems/symptoms are discussed at length on this board that are barely mentioned in the books (which tend to focus on back pain). I.e., if someone has a symptom not explicitly discussed in the books, postings on this board provide some confirmation that it can indeed be TMS.
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 06/07/2007 : 21:00:22
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I think discussing symptoms at all- except for newbies- is counter productive as it draws attention to the physical and away from what is taking place in the psyche. For those of us on this board who are familiar with how TMS works we must not be suprised when new pains or symptoms emerge on various parts of the body even when they are not mentioned in Dr. Sarno's books. Dr. Sarno could not possibly mention every single symptom.
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Sarno-ize it!
Do you have a pain-prone personality?
http://www.bradyinstitute.com/aboutBook/painProne.asp |
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bert
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Posted - 06/07/2007 : 22:07:08
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quote:
Originally posted by lanycwriter
I hate to say this, because I know everyone here is going to jump all over me. This is my first post, largely because I just visit the site occasionally to read the "success stories." I myself was completely cured of lower back pain by reading Dr. Sarno's book five years ago.
I'm replying to this post because I recently developed a pain in my foot, and decided to go see a renowned expert in Dr. Sarno's methods (he studied with Sarno and now practices in Los Angeles, so I'm sure you can figure out who it is). I thought it would be interesting to talk to him, have him examine me, and confirm that the pain in my foot is a TMS equivalent (he did, and now it's gone).
When I mentioned this forum, that doctor actually said "I tell my patients not to go on there-- the people on that forum have a nasty habit of enabling each other's TMS-- it's like the blind leading the blind."
I'm sorry to be so harsh, but I have to agree-- I do see this here-- especially in some of the more frequent posters who clearly are not accepting the total concept of TMS, and start thread after thread describing physical ailments and psychological issues. I suppose it could be argued that you all are helping each other by consistently providing reminders that yes, this is TMS you're experiencing, but it does seem like the same people time and again, only with different problems, and this reassurance never sinks in. In fact, I recently logged on again after a year or so to find the name of a meditation program someone had mentioned, and was at once puzzled and dismayed to find certain members still here, doing the exact same posts. Isn't the whole point of TMS study to have a "graduation date," so to speak?
I guess I would just conclude by saying that all of this, the books, the journaling, ideally, this forum-- the purpose of all of it is to give you your life back-- even the therapists recommended by Sarno and his colleagues have a definite END date, after which they say you should be able to self-maintain, to identify problems as TMS, and to not let it stymie you every single time. I'm not saying this is true of all the members of this forum, but it certainly is of some.
I'm just posting this in response to NewMom, who asked about Sarno's response to this forum. Granted, I didn't hear it straight from the horse's mouth, but from one of his proteges, but he definitely recommended limited (or at least not long-term) use of the forum, as prolonged use can perpetuate the problem.
My two cents.
Definitely agree with this reply. Often wondered this myself after frequent visits 2 months back. Seems to only reinforce that I have a problem. Which seems to be the oposite of what erasing TMS is about. The more I post/visit the more I reinforce it. As I am rihgt now. Got to go. |
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What does Dr. Sarno say about this forum?
