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spiritcloud
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 Posted - 05/31/2007 : 21:40:31
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Hey, everyone!
I'm new to the whole TMS thing. A friend recommended and then bought me Dr. Sarno's "The Mindbody Prescription" after I expressed thoughts I've been having that closely fit his ideas.
According to Sarno's definition, I am a definite "goodist."
Anywho. Most of my health problems started during adulthood, but I have had trouble with severe pain in my legs since I was an infant. I was wondering if Sarno's ideas explain things like that. It seems at that point I couldn't have had much in the way of "narcissistic rage."
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armchairlinguist
USA
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 22:41:29
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Sarno mentions that TMS can and does occur even in young children, and that one of the sources is "trauma in infancy and childhood". It's right on the top of page 21, now that I check. I think reading that section will answer your questions.
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 06/01/2007 : 06:49:04
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It is certainly worth exploring these issues of which you spoke about more closely. I suggest your read the psyhcology section over again and determine how much you see yourself their. Then read the treatment section and try to follow it as best you can. Let us know of your progress.
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Sarno-ize it!
Do you have a pain-prone personality?
http://www.bradyinstitute.com/aboutBook/painProne.asp |
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stanfr
USA
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Posted - 06/01/2007 : 08:19:15
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| I think the specific personality traits aren't that significant, the important thing is how they relate to our emotions; for example i don't consider myself 'goodist' at all but i'm definitely a perfectionist, which leads to the same underlying stresses. I've just realized over the past week or so that some childhood physical problems were probably psychosomatic. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 06/01/2007 : 09:15:49
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The womb was probably a very dark, lonely and scarey place to be holed up for nine months w/o a cell phone, telly, or an In-N-Out burger.
Some of my favorite excerpts from " _THE DIVIDED MIND_ " :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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mizlorinj
USA
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Posted - 06/01/2007 : 09:26:38
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TMS can indeed affect children. At a recent Forum by Dr. Sarno, there was a recovered TMSer who was a young woman who had leg pains since she was a young girl.
I figure there are things that angered me (both consciously and unconsciously) as a kid, so why wouldn't TMS strike any age.
I would keep reading Dr. Sarno's various books, but equally important for me was delving into emotions and writing about them. Any situation. Any feeling. It's all important. I am a perfectionist, goodist, etc.
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sensei adam rostocki
USA
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Posted - 06/01/2007 : 18:15:00
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Dr. Sarno specifically mentions growing pains as a TMS equivalent in children on page 4 of “Healing Back Pain”. Personally, I had severe headaches and gastrointestinal problems throughout my childhood. - Sensei
CURE-BACK-PAIN(dot)ORG |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 06/01/2007 : 23:45:48
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Originally posted by shawnsmith
I think that our time in the womb as being a source of one's TMS enducing rage is rather far fetched.
Well, how come we come out crying rather than laughing?
Some of my favorite excerpts from " _THE DIVIDED MIND_ " :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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spiritcloud
USA
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Posted - 06/02/2007 : 02:16:01
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Thanks, everyone. I very much appreciate the advice and info.
Another thought occured to me. My father and several other male relatives also have the same leg pain problems. (They seem to go beyond growing pains.)
Does Sarno explain anything like that? Or any condition that is taken to be genetically inherited? Is it a matter of having the same mental/emotional issues? Or the same physical predisposition--hardwired into the brain?--to be succeptable to a certain condition?
I get very little time to read, and when I do, I tend to fall asleep after half a sentence. :/ So I really appreciate your patience and tolerance if I ask questions that are easily found in Sarno's book.
Sobadi
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MikeySama
Netherlands
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Posted - 06/02/2007 : 07:23:19
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Originally posted by spiritcloud
Thanks, everyone. I very much appreciate the advice and info.
Another thought occured to me. My father and several other male relatives also have the same leg pain problems. (They seem to go beyond growing pains.)
Does Sarno explain anything like that? Or any condition that is taken to be genetically inherited? Is it a matter of having the same mental/emotional issues? Or the same physical predisposition--hardwired into the brain?--to be succeptable to a certain condition?
I get very little time to read, and when I do, I tend to fall asleep after half a sentence. :/ So I really appreciate your patience and tolerance if I ask questions that are easily found in Sarno's book.
Sobadi
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I think it would be the perfect strategy for the brain to induce the same kind of leg pains on you. Since you would most likely conclude it as running in the family. You might be more easily convinced it is physical ailment rather than a psychologically induced one. I believe the mind chooses the symptom that would have the best effect on you. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 06/02/2007 : 08:27:50
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Originally posted by tennis tom
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Originally posted by shawnsmith
I think that our time in the womb as being a source of one's TMS enducing rage is rather far fetched.
Well, how come we come out crying rather than laughing?
That is an unanswerable question, but saying it is due to anger as a result of separation from the comfortable womb is speculation. It is better to stick with what we know.
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Sarno-ize it!
Do you have a pain-prone personality?
http://www.bradyinstitute.com/aboutBook/painProne.asp |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 06/02/2007 : 09:45:19
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Originally posted by shawnsmith
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Originally posted by tennis tom
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Originally posted by shawnsmith
I think that our time in the womb as being a source of one's TMS enducing rage is rather far fetched.
Well, how come we come out crying rather than laughing?
That is an unanswerable question, but saying it is due to anger as a result of separation from the comfortable womb is speculation. It is better to stick with what we know.
*******
Sarno-ize it!
Do you have a pain-prone personality?
http://www.bradyinstitute.com/aboutBook/painProne.asp
All scientific breakthroughs are speculation in their theory stages until the hypothesis can be proven through repetition. I wonder what Candace Pert would have to say about this? Who says the womb is so comfortable? Maybe this is a huge mis-assumption like much of the rest of what we call science and has brought us to this board. Perhaps being in the womb is more like solitary in the slammer, which is one of the most dreaded punishments for the bad guys.
Can polyneuropedptides, which may be the message carriers of the nervous system, travel between the mother and the foetus? We are now very cautious about smoking, drinking and drugging during pregnancy, and people play Mozart to their foetuses (although this one has been disproven, I believe).
If single cells have been shown to have reactiblity to stimuli, why wouldn't a foetus be storing unconscious cellular memory and creating autonomic future responses? We seem to have no memory prior to 2-3 years of age and some of us suppress traumatic events entirely and can't remember stuff before 12. I would think being a foetus and an infant would be so traumatic, due to our lack of experience and the newness of the whole thing, that we repress ALL of our first few years memories.
If I've got any of the science on this wrong, feel free to correct me, I won't be offended, I'm not a specialist in this field, just shooting from the hip (my arthritic right one).
Have a nice weekend,
tt
Some of my favorite excerpts from " _THE DIVIDED MIND_ " :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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Penny
USA
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Posted - 06/02/2007 : 18:49:51
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Originally posted by tennis tom
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Originally posted by shawnsmith
I think that our time in the womb as being a source of one's TMS enducing rage is rather far fetched.
Well, how come we come out crying rather than laughing?
I believe that the baby feels the same physical intensity (pain) as the mother, only the baby's pain is external pressure/contact. My girls both cried, so did I (natural deliveries)... primally. Being birthed is not only painful for the mother but painful for the newborn. I find it interesting that our culture considers mother's pain during labor and never considers what the infant endures. I mean, why hasn't BIG pharma come out with a drug to sedate/numb the infant thru the birth process? (That question is tinged with sarcasm.) Culturally we rarely think of pain serving a purpose. As George Carlin once said "Headache ... pop pop ... two in the mouth!" (aspirin that is.) We do everything we can to avoid physical pain.
TT to respond to your rhetorical question, the baby cries from physical pain of the birth process  Infants go from being constantly warm and dark to a nearly 30 degree drop in temperature and bright lights. I'd cry too.
Another thing to consider is baby colic. I wonder if us tougher-case TMSers had colic as a baby. (I did.)
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Penny
USA
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Posted - 06/02/2007 : 19:07:19
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Originally posted by tennis tom
We seem to have no memory prior to 2-3 years of age and some of us suppress traumatic events entirely and can't remember stuff before 12. I would think being a foetus and an infant would be so traumatic, due to our lack of experience and the newness of the whole thing, that we repress ALL of our first few years memories.
Because I have 2 young children, I have a very strong opinion about this. I believe that when my girls were born until they were about 3 they lived in complete presence, without worry, longing, or concern (as long as they were fed, clean, dry, warm and rested). It's only since I (and the small amt of TV they watch) and other people in their precious lives started imparting (imposing) OUR belief systems on them (our burdens) that they lost their perfect way of being. I think children forget the first few years because there is little reason in their minds to retain memories. They live in the moment, and greet each moment with what they need: presence ... until they see how everyone else lives and they begin to hold onto things mentally. Who are we (adults) to take flaw with loss of people's early childhood memories? I mean, what do we know? For all WE know, that could be a much happier way to live!
I think suppression of traumatic events differs with the early childhood memory loss stuff, especially having watched my girls grow up. Personally, I am relearning everything I thought knew about the world, and find their simplistic way of being liberating and they are my teachers.
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spiritcloud
USA
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Posted - 06/03/2007 : 13:33:40
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I think it would be the perfect strategy for the brain to induce the same kind of leg pains on you. Since you would most likely conclude it as running in the family. You might be more easily convinced it is physical ailment rather than a psychologically induced one. I believe the mind chooses the symptom that would have the best effect on you.
My leg pain as a child was not constant. I would usually get the severe pain attacks after strenuous activity or long periods of standing. Sometimes they happened for no discernible reason. The pain would hit one or two muscles in one leg at a time--most commonly the calf or quadriceps. I don't ever remember the pain being linked to stress or any other emotional problem, not saying it isn't possible. Playing hard=pain just always made sense, and I accepted it. My mom always refered to my leg pains as "charley horses."
I didn't know any of my relatives had these leg pains until a couple of years ago(my family doesn't communicate well). I was actually shocked and a bit miffed when I found out, because many of them knew I had been seeing doctors for a long time to try and figure out my pain. I was also intrigued, because it seemed to only affect males, and I knew there are genetic problems passed on to one gender. I didn't even know about my father's leg problems until I was an adult, and I thought his was something different besides(muscle degeneration, the doctors label it). I couldn't have picked up the idea of this pain from anyone else. I grew up thinking I was a unique medical mystery that several doctors couldn't figure out through my childhood.
Don't think I'm arguing for the sake of arguing, or trying to disprove anything. I'm a logical minded person, so everything has to make sense and fit. Let's just say I'm playing devil's advocate--someone has to.
I'll believe it. If it makes sense. I'll even consider it if it's remotely possible. :)
To believe my leg pain since infancy is TMS, I need:
1. Most importantly, a logical reason why an infant, let alone a child, would need to cause pain on himself, however subconsciously.
2. A source for this particular type of pain(only because I learned of more relatives having it long after mine started).
Honestly, I want you to convince me. |
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Littlebird
USA
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Posted - 06/03/2007 : 15:31:58
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"To believe my leg pain since infancy is TMS, I need:
1. Most importantly, a logical reason why an infant, let alone a child, would need to cause pain on himself, however subconsciously.
2. A source for this particular type of pain(only because I learned of more relatives having it long after mine started)."
Hi Spiritcloud,
I'm not quite sure what you mean by a source for the particular type of pain you had, but I'll throw out some theory for item 1.
My 20-year-old son doesn't remember much before the age of 4, but I recall the anger and fear he used to feel, even as an infant.
An episode of fear occurred even while he was still a fetus. A woman I worked with, but on different shifts, was responsible for doing certain work at closing time, while I did certain work at opening. She was not doing her work properly--taking shortcuts and leaving things undone--so it was making much more work for me in the morning. Since we were on totally different shifts I never saw her, so I complained to the manager. The next payday the woman happened to come in for her check during my shift and when she saw me she began screaming at me for reporting her poor work. She was so angry that her body language led me to believe she might even hit me. As she was screaming, I felt my son draw away from her as far as he could, by smashing himself against my back. It seemed clear to me that he was afraid or at least very disturbed by her screaming.
When my son was born, I was very ill and nearly died. He was yanked out rather forcefully with forceps because I was so near death and the doctor was anxious to at least save my son. As Penny says, it seems that birth is probably quite painful for the baby, as well as the mother. I was then put in the ICU, on a different floor of the hospital, and didn't get to see my son for two days. When I finally got back to the maternity ward, as the nurse brought my son to me I could hear him crying all the way down the hall, and it was a distinctive cry. At the time I thought, "Soon I'll learn to recognize his different cries (because they do have a different cry for each of their needs and for different feelings) and I'll know what he was expressing today." I soon discovered it was his angry cry, the one he used when unhappy about his circumstances. That first day together it took me half an hour to soothe him.
At the time my son was born my step-children were moving in with us, not all at once, but over an 18 month period all six ended up with us. Most of them weren't thrilled about having a new step-mom or a new half-brother to deal with, and there was lots of stress all around. My son was sensitive to the stress, from the start. He was also aware of my feelings from an early age. At 9 months he gave me a hug for the first time, in response to me being upset over something a couple of my other sons had done. It was clear he wanted to soothe me.
My son had colic (I had colic as an infant also) and was obviously in quite a bit of discomfort much of the time. He's always had symptoms very much like the ones I have which my doctor diagnosed as Irritable Bowel Syndrome. (For anyone interested in colic, I recently read of research in which babies were given acidophilus and their colic symptoms were greatly reduced.) He's always been prone to sleep difficulties, and he slept and napped less time than is normal for infants. He was diagnosed with asthma as an infant.
While we may not recall our early childhoods, they can be filled with events that cause as much anger and emotional pain as we experience in later years. I actually do have many memories back to the age of two, and a few from earlier, including two apparent memories from infancy, one before I had any teeth, and one before I could sit up. In the one I was upset that my mother was scraping the spoon of baby food against the roof of my mouth, because it hurt. In the other I was upset that my dad was leaving me in the cradle while he read the newspaper, because I wanted him to pick me up. I say these are "apparent" memories because I've read that memory is not as reliable as most of us like to think it is. From the age of two on I have many memories of being angry at or afraid of my mother, because her behavior was influenced by her mental health problems. One of my brothers, who was 10 when I was born, has told me he often had to take me out of the house because our mother was threatening to kill me. (That's when I had colic, during my first year. After my son had colic I had more empathy for what she must have been going through, though I never had thoughts of killing my child.)
Though personal experience isn't scientific proof, I think it's entirely possible for infants and young children to experience enough anger to cause TMS symptoms to appear. I know that I didn't dare express either my anger or my fear to my mother. I also felt a need to hide it from my father, who was my main source of security, perhaps because I sensed that he was already experiencing a lot of stress himself. I seemed to believe from the start that survival could depend on suppressing my feelings.
I don't know what you think of the "inner child" concept that is sometimes discussed on this forum, but the anger we feel as adults is often a child-like anger, not necessarily rational or justified from an adult perspective, so it only makes sense that we also felt the same type of anger as children, even if we don't remember it.
I recall somewhere in the book "The Divided Mind" Dr. Sarno mentioned not knowing if infants experience the kind of anger that can trigger TMS symptoms, but I believe they do.
Wishing you well, Corey |
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Penny
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Posted - 06/03/2007 : 21:51:39
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Corie, I find what you shared REALLy interesting. Thanks for sharing.xoxo
Hi SpiritCloud,
Unfortunately, I don't think TMS theory is logical at all. In fact, when I first started reading, I remember thinking "yeah right, if ONLY it was this simple!" But as time went on I understood that our subconscious does not operate on logic, just primal instinct: TMS is a ridiculous "condition" our subconscious creates, hence the "gremlin" nickname so many of us use here.
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[To believe my leg pain since infancy is TMS, I need:
1. Most importantly, a logical reason why an infant, let alone a child, would need to cause pain on himself, however subconsciously.
2. A source for this particular type of pain(only because I learned of more relatives having it long after mine started). Honestly, I want you to convince me.
To tackle #1, Sarno says our brains create oxygen deprivation in the area of the pain, to serve as a mental distraction to the negative emotion that--if expressed--would (by the brain's understanding) be even more painful and threatening than the physical pain. I think physical activity or using a particular part of our body excessively signals to our subconscious that this area would be the most consciously believeable to have an injury. Carpal Tunnel and other repetitive stress injuries are great examples. I suffered CTS really badly and was told I needed surgery due to "severe nerve damage", in order to end my pain. Now, one year later, I have completely recovered without surgery, and I still write and type on the computer every day for hours and hours. I retrained my brain to type through the physical pain, and now my brain doesn't try the carpal tunnel tactic to distract me anymore.
#2 I think the fact that family members have similar symptoms is telling for you, but more so of behaviour and patterns of repression than genetics. My dad is a major TMSer; migraines, vomitting, etc. Unfortunately I adopted many of his same behaviours (avoiding negative feelings, repression etc.) that lead to same symptoms.I think that TMS runs deep in families due to learned behaviour, and we can recover by reconditioning our responses to stressors or triggers.
I really hope this helps you SpiritCloud. I completely respect that you are trying to be logical about TMS, but I don't think that's going to help you. For me, accepting TMS theory was a huge belief system change for me, and has completely changed the way I see any physical pain manifestation. Now, if my nose is runny, I nurture my emotional feelings instead of pampering my symptoms. This is not easy, but has led to dramatic physical healing for me.
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miehnesor
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Posted - 06/04/2007 : 09:14:17
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Originally posted by Littlebird
[brWhile we may not recall our early childhoods, they can be filled with events that cause as much anger and emotional pain as we experience in later years. I actually do have many memories back to the age of two, and a few from earlier, including two apparent memories from infancy, one before I had any teeth, and one before I could sit up. In the one I was upset that my mother was scraping the spoon of baby food against the roof of my mouth, because it hurt. In the other I was upset that my dad was leaving me in the cradle while he read the newspaper, because I wanted him to pick me up. I say these are "apparent" memories because I've read that memory is not as reliable as most of us like to think it is. From the age of two on I have many memories of being angry at or afraid of my mother, because her behavior was influenced by her mental health problems. One of my brothers, who was 10 when I was born, has told me he often had to take me out of the house because our mother was threatening to kill me. (That's when I had colic, during my first year. After my son had colic I had more empathy for what she must have been going through, though I never had thoughts of killing my child.)
Littlebird- what a fear inducing environment to grow up in and extremely disfunctional. It's no wonder you repressed your feelings. You were in basic survival mode. Feeling these early feelings is extremely helpful for the health of the psyche.
Thx for sharing your story LB. I'm always interested in what you have to say on this forum. I'm amazed that you can remember events back to as early an age as two but actually it is not so surprising if you were traumatized as much as you were as a child.
When experiencing trauma the adrenaline flows and this actually helps to cement memories in your mind. The primitive parts of our mind use the memory to help us avoid similar occuring events in the future.
I also have a memory of an event that happened to me at 2 or 3 where my folks thought I eat children's aspirin and was taken to the hospital and had my stomach pumped. I remember sitting on the table and feeling like I was being sufficated. I thought I was going to die for sure. As it turned out I hadn't eaten the aspirin but I somehow wasn't able to communicate this to my folks.
Expressing anger to parents in your imagination is an excellent way of dealing with the fear and anger that causes TMS. |
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spiritcloud
USA
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Posted - 06/05/2007 : 03:06:40
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Thanks for all the great info and advice.
Littlebird;
If nothing else, I believe that a fetus is very sensitive to the emotions of the mother. I don't suppose the source is as important with TMS as feeling the emotion period. To clarify #2, I need to know why my subconscious mind would pick my particular leg pain symptoms.
May I ask why you didn't dare express anger or fear to your mother as an infant/toddler? I thought at that stage a child is very open, and expresses everything purely and honestly. That is how children learn and get what they need. But I suppose I grew up in a safe, loving home. I can't imagine that I was afraid to express those types of feelings as a child. (I'm not saying you are wrong at all--I'm just saying that I've never considered that a child so young might be capable of consciously holding back emotions.)
Penny:
I'm guilty. I have had the CTS surgery on both hands. Looking back, I was in a huge mess of social tension and "persecution" at work. I always assumed the surgery fixed the problem, but now... When I was diagnosed with the CTS, I quit that job and afterward moved on to a much better time of my life. Maybe the fix was coincidental with the surgery afterall.
I like what you said about the legs being the most believable place for my mind to create pain. That makes the most sense so far. The thing that still causes me to doubt that my leg problems are TMS is the fact that several other male relatives have identical symptoms--relatives I have rarely been around, and I didn't know any of them had these symptoms until quite recently. I'm not totally convinced it isn't/wasn't TMS, I just don't think it could be an observation-learned problem. The fact that no female relatives have the same problem is another cause for my doubt.
rosenheim:
Thanks for your input!
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Just some more background... Let me tell you what some doctors who tried to figure my legs out considered as a source of the problem.
When I was about 3 months old, I got sick. Really sick. Temp of 104. Bed of ice. The good ol' treatments of the 70's. :) I have the hospital records from that event. They are confusing and contradictory in places. One note mentions a stiff neck(thus meningitis and polio became suspect. It was at the very end of the polio era in the USA). If they did a lumbar puncture, it wasn't with the records I tracked down. Someone has even mentioned that my current symptoms resemble post-polio syndrome. I know that is one of the conditions Sarno talks about as a TMS equivalent. Anyway, that illness was always a suspect as a possible cause of my leg pain(that doesn't fit with my relatives that have the same symptoms).
I have a few cloudy memories from when I was 3...maybe some of those are as young as 2. Perhaps my first clear memory is when I was trying to reach something out in a pond with a stick and I slipped and fell in. I remember splashing and the water closing over my head. I don't remember being saved, but I know it was my dad who dove in for me. I remember sitting in the truck afterward in nothing but a blanket.
What tangled webs our minds weave!
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miehnesor
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Posted - 06/05/2007 : 13:06:02
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SpiritClout(like that name)- I think that TMS wise its important to realize that the emotional memory system is the one that is most important to tap into as opposed to the memory we typically think of that holds a scene from the past.
I'll give you an example of this to illustrate from my life and it is when I first had a emotional memory really burst into my consciousness. I was reading books on fibro and was thinking of a scene that I remembered as a child that was traumatic. As I thought of the scene my symptoms increased intensely. Then as I described the scene to my wife I started to feel choked up. As she came over and gave me an empathetic hug the emotional memory of shame and sadness finally pushed its way into consciousness and as the tears came the symptoms which had built up melted away in seconds.
So it was the association of the emotional memory with the scene that caused the TMS relief. This emotional memory exists right from birth or even in utero. The emotional memory can be accessed with the right kind of empathetic validation from another person and a persistant effort to bond with the inner child.
Now what is really interesting about this emotional memory is that you can even access it without any actual memory scene attached. This has been the basis of my recovery, still ongoing, is tapping into this emotional memory system and feeling.
Another thing that has become evident to me is that the earlier the trauma the more intense the emotional memory experience. I suspect that the reason I have been successful in feeling these early feelings is because they are pushing very hard, perhaps harder than more TMS'ers, to consciousness and just need some loving encouragement to come out. I sustained pretty severe trauma at 3 months of age and immediately became a - repress all feelings- kind of kid. Then I got reenforcement to stay in that mode of behavior from my folks who, out of their own wounds, couldn't make it safe for me to have my feelings.
Now getting back to the early trauma events that you mentioned, I doubt that these events in themselves would cause TMS. I would guess that it is more likely that it is some relational issues with your primary care givers that is more important here. If you are a goodist that is an indication that you were not given what you needed by your folks to develop normally and that you probably were not valued for the very one you are but more likely for what you do. And this does cause rage.
Also when you mention that you have to make logical sense for you to buy into the TMS theory you have to realize that adult logical thinking has very little to do with TMS. It's the other side of your brain - the emotional part- that is the issue. The part associated with the inner child that lives inside of us.
If you haven't read Alice Miller's "Drama of the Gifted Child" I hightly recomment it as it will describe the kind of subtle stuff that can happen in childhood that can cause poor development and TMS later on.
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