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shawnsmith
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 Posted - 05/16/2007 : 07:06:32
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Originally posted by armchairlinguist
Shawn, I'm getting a little tired of you popping into various threads continually saying that one doesn't have to feel the emotions in order to recover.
Thanks for your feedback. There is nowhere in Sarno's work where he clearly states one has to feel the offending emotions is order to bring about recovery, except for rare cases- as with the case of Helen who had the emotional explosion. Dr. Sarno's admonition, however, is to think pyscholigically - to look inwardly- thus drawing attention away from the physical symptoms and unto the emotional. But there is no need to actually feel anytyhing. You might think that your feeling something brought about your recovery when in fact it was drawing your attention away from the physical which was the source of your recovery and not the feeling per se. Dr. Sarno is quite explicit about this in his video tape, and Dr. Nancy Selridge, wrote wrote a TMS book forwarded by Dr. Sarno, wrote the exact same thing as I have stated above.
Instead of diecting your frustrations at me you may want to inwardly explore what you are really upset about, as I am not about to change my mind anytime soon. You thought seems to be "Shawn should not popping into various threads continually saying that one doesn't have to feel the emotions in order to recover." But what is the reality of it? The reality is Shawn popping into various threads and continually saying that one doesn't have to feel the emotions in order to recover. So the source of your aggravation is your thoughts about me, it has nothing to do with me at all, but your opposition to the reality that I am making such posts. My path, my fellow TMSer, is not your path, nor is your path mine. We all come to this board with our own subjective understanding and experiences, and I can only reflect what I see and read to the best of my ability.
It is my contention that the personal demand placed on oneself to feel something in order to bring about a recovery is unreasonable and is a manifestation of a perfectionist personality trait.
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sonora sky
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Posted - 05/16/2007 : 08:56:45
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URGH, the point is, WE GET IT, Shawn. You don't need to keep repeating yourself. (We're very bright folks, you know.) I understand what you're saying, and I understand that what Sarno has said confirms what you're saying. I get it, and everyone else on this board, by now, gets it. There is no need to keep inserting the same thing into various threads, as if to keep us "on track" with the program. I appreciate your desire to help, but, to me, it feels like we're being policed.
Three cheers for ACL's post. We are listening to you, shawn, but are you listening to us? Some with TMS have the need to move beyond analytical psychological introspection (e.g. my parent abused me as a kid; I wonder if I could have some repressed anger about that...??) to psychological and emotional healing, which may involve (gasp!) feeling one's emotions. We are not droids. We take in both liquids and soild foods, we think, and we feel! It is a natural part of who we are. Emotions make up the basest level of our psyche; they are the fundamental building blocks of our mind and they dictate how we react to external as well as internal stimuli (our own thoughts). We go through most of our lives in varying states of emotional numbness, trying cover up or push aside our emotional responses because they are deemed not culturally/socially appropriate. Supression (active) and repression (unconscious) of emotions is what causes TMS. If we stop blocking our emotions and running away from our fears--experience them, feel them instead of covering them up (name your poison), pushing them away, or otherwise not letting them arise and pass in due course as they naturally would--we can break the TMS cycle.
Consider this an official acknowledgement of the following statement: "One does not necessarily need to feel emotions to recover from TMS." My god, YES. (Will someone find a gold seal or drum up a stone tablet?) But some, nonetheless, want more in their recovery, to recover from pains physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual--to heal their whole selves. In my understanding, people are welcome to explore these aspects of TMS healing on this forum.
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 05/16/2007 : 11:12:48
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What are you really angry at sonora sky? If the assertion keeps being posted over and over again (in fact hundreds of times) that one must feel something in order to recover from TMS, then I have just as much right to respond to this erroneous assertion and say no it is not necessary to feel anything.
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sonora sky
USA
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Posted - 05/17/2007 : 07:42:46
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Originally posted by shawnsmith
What are you really angry at sonora sky?
How did I know you were going to pull that card? This is a tactic used to distract from the issue at hand.
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Originally posted by shawnsmith
If the assertion keeps being posted over and over again (in fact hundreds of times) that one must feel something in order to recover from TMS, then I have just as much right to respond to this erroneous assertion and say no it is not necessary to feel anything.
Sure, if your statement was true, I'd see no problem in your continual reminders. However, no one is making assertions that "one must feel something in order to recover from TMS." We are simply exploring the possiblility that feeling emotions may be helpful to some. I think you must have forgotten to ask yourself, "is this statement true?" before posting. No worries. Katie will let you slide from time to time.
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 05/17/2007 : 07:52:59
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And I always stated that indeed some may actually expereince some feeling in their times of introspection, but I am merely adding, from my subjective understanding of my reading of Sarno and Selridge, that experiencing certain feelings is not necessary for recovery. Each one of us on this board will follow a different path which is suited to their needs- that is only natural - and I would be the last one to rain on someonle else's success. If it works for you then it is a success and no need defend your position. And absolutley no hard feelings on my part.
Yes, I have some narcisstic need to be right- mostly do to low self esteem issues which manifest as loathing criticism- so don't be suprised if I belabor an issue. This is just part of my personality structure.
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armchairlinguist
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Posted - 05/17/2007 : 18:36:01
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Don't be surprised then if some people find your belaboring annoying. It is just part of our personality structures. 
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tennis tom
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karenthepas
Canada
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Posted - 05/18/2007 : 08:53:27
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Hi guys,
Sorry if I started a war between you there, am very appreciative of all your inputs, its great to get several different points of view. My next question is about other symptoms of TMS. Have been having success with my "sciatica pain" up to now, have been coming here and journalling for 1-2 weeks now and leg pain is disappearing, so great. Have now started with abdominal cramps/bloating as well as sore gums/mouth ulcer as well as cold sore infection. Normally, I would just think this was just a bad week but it seems to me that perhaps they may be TMS symptoms too. Or am I just imagining it ? They all seem to be stress/tension related illnesses. Anyone else suffer with similar things ? |
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Shary
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Posted - 05/18/2007 : 09:34:39
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I too am appreciative of anything informative posted on this board, even if it's redundant. I never know when something is going to jump out at me that I may have missed on a previous thread. So thanks for your efforts, Shawn.
Karen, one of the weird quirks of TMS is that it doesn't give up easily. I've gotten reactions all over my body. It seems that just as the pain would let up in my hip, it would start in the other hip. Or I would get GI upsets, or itchy skin, or achy knees, etc. I've even had my scalp hurt! On a bad day I've had four or five different aggravations going on at the same time.
Lack of recovery through doctors and other modalities is probably the biggest clue that you're dealing with TMS. You should stay the course by thinking psychological rather than physical and continue journaling, particularly if you are improving overall. There probably will be downturns at times. I don't recommend planning for them, but try not to get upset when they happen. It's just part of it.
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 05/18/2007 : 09:43:01
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Originally posted by karenthepas
Sorry if I started a war between you there, am very appreciative of all your inputs, its great to get several different points of view.
Give it no thought, KTP, the real world outside the ivory tower and gated communities is full of real hand to hand conflict, the origin of our TMS. Why shouldn't the board reflect on occassion the real world outside our computers.
Although the board's nominal purpose is to disseminate and clarify TMS info, and let's not forget support, why shouldn't it reflect on occasion reality.
Message boards are a good place to practice conflict management, not to mention hurling insults at people we don't think we will ever have to see face to face.
Cheers,
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Some of my favorite excerpts from " THE DIVIDED MIND " :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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