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shortcake
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 Posted - 04/22/2007 : 20:55:34
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Edited by - shortcake on 06/09/2007 17:42:00 |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 04/22/2007 : 21:33:36
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Hi Shortcake,
Sorry we're way too busy these days flaming about politics to deal with TMS, but would suggest you do a "Search" under "heart palpatations" and you will find related stuff.
Off-hand, if they don't have you in the heart ICU after some of your tests, it's probably TMS anxiety related.
Good Luck,
tt
"the neo-con"
some of my favorite excerpts from 'TDM' : http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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Singer_Artist
USA
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Posted - 04/22/2007 : 23:35:07
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Hi Shortcake,
Sorry to hear about this, it is indeed very scary when it's anything to do with the heart...I have first hand experience with the heart skips and chest pains too..I believe mine is all anxiety related..I don't have panic attacks, thank God, but when I get really upset or eat alot of salt or chocolate at once, my heart will skip beats...I was told years ago i had MVP..mitral valve prolapse..a benign heart issue..But in recent times i was told it is gone..I went to a cardio for some tests recently and was fine..I bet yours is all stress related, TMS stuff as well..It is a pain in the butt to have the symptoms jump all over the place..The same thing happens to me..You are not alone..
Hugs,
Karen |
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Littlebird
USA
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Posted - 04/23/2007 : 00:25:39
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Hi Shortcake,
After years of having palpitations and chest pain in spite of lots of normal test results, a doctor told me there was nothing wrong with my heart and it was all stress, so after that I stopped having the palpitations and chest pain, except for an occasional little gallop. Interestingly enough, this took place before I found Dr. Sarno's book and learned of TMS. When I do have the occasional heart symptom, I think about possible psychological triggers and it goes away. I know it's scary, but if your tests are all clear, it may well be TMS.
Wishing you well, Corey |
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skizzik
USA
783 Posts |
Posted - 04/23/2007 : 04:30:26
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| in the past my heart palps have been anxiety related. They are TMS in my experience. |
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sonora sky
USA
181 Posts |
Posted - 04/23/2007 : 16:45:27
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I've had on and off heart palpitations for years (since about age 15). Once I learned about TMS, I realized the palps were just one symptom in a whole line of maladies I had had over the years. They are definitely anxiety-related, though in the past, they always seemed to come on for *seemingly* no reason. Though if I was as aware of my thoughts and feelings then as I am today, I might have been able to draw some mindbody connections. My racing heart episodes used to last for hours, until I about died from exhaustion. Just about when I was at the end of my rope (thinking all the frantic thoughts like, 'when will this stop?' 'will this stop?' 'how can I make this stop?!') the palps would mysteriously cease. I've tried lots of techniques, none being failsafe. One that has worked most often for me would be to lie down or even invert my body so my heart was lower than the lower half of my body. But now, calm breathing, relaxation techniques, and firm commands (said to myself) for the palps to stop seem to do the trick. Also, meditation on a regular basis can help.
best,
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Singer_Artist
USA
1516 Posts |
Posted - 04/23/2007 : 17:58:26
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Hi Shortcake,
I am so sorry you are dealing with this...I am happy to say I am not involved in any more debates on here..The last one about my art was enough to make me want to run for the hills..(at least for awhile)..
I had those skips, thuds..etc..and I know how scary they are..I still get them sometimes from either extreme stress (like what i am dealing w/ now regarding my doggie being sick) or eating too much chocolate, salt all at once, overeating a big meal and even alcohol can bring it on..I noticed a hormonal part to it in that it sometimes happens more just before my period begins..Dr. Sarno says MVP (mitral valve prolapse) is a TMS equivalent,,i believe it can be..It is sure made worse by stress..
I was diagnosed w/ MVP years ago and told it was a benign condition..I read some books about it and that helped alot because it said when the skipping starts..distract yourself by taking a walk, vacuuming, etc...just don't get all scared and focused on the sensation (easier said then done) because it will make it worse..I have tried this distraction technique and it helps..Also magnesium helps alot...You might be low on magnesium which helps regulate the heart beat...They would do an echocardiogram to see if you have MVP..It is a painless test, but expensive..Even if you have it, it is almost always not life threatening, so please don't worry yourself more..It will make the symptoms worse..
One of the reasons i think it's stress induced TMS is because mine was at it's worst when both of my parents were dying and then passed away 5 months apart..I had to wear a halter to monitor my heart for 24 hrs..it was terrifying but told it was benign..My heart was skipping every 17 seconds or so...Now it's much better, but occasionally acts up when i get extra stressed out about my dog KC..
I would recommend journalling about what is going on in your life right now that is adding stress and could be making the skips worse..I will pray for you dear friend..You are not alone..
Hugs and God bless,
Karen |
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Penny
USA
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Posted - 04/23/2007 : 18:39:45
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Hi Shortcake,
I get palps--"tachycardia" level, my resting heart rate was 120 bpm. Had them again with my latest TMS gremlin visit but realized they were TMS. My bp was higher than usual too ... 165/110. I was really scared, so the gremlin was doing a great job at distracting me.
I think you are doing the right thing to get your doc to investigate, but try really hard not to limit your life or what you do b/c of them. (Repudiate! Repudiate!) Easier said than done, I know. I look at symtom imperative as a good thing. It's like our brains are trying new tactics to try to distract us from emotions ... trick is DON'T let it!
HUGS!!!
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sonora sky
USA
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Posted - 04/23/2007 : 20:53:49
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I understand that these heart symptoms are scaring you--they frightened me, too. Especially when I nearly passed out on the bathroom floor at the gym. Mostly my palps are racing, but I've also experienced weird 'flip flop' feelings where it seems to skip a beat (not beat for a second), then beat twice faster (a thudding feeling, as if it was trying to catch up for the one it missed). Hopefully having tests done will set your mind at ease. I had my heart tested, too. All came up clear. It turned out the experiences I was having are considered 'normal'. Dont' let the fear get to you; it just intensifies the symptoms. Try some relaxation and/or breathing techniques and see if it helps. I feel like if you remain in a state of panic, your heart may continue to reflect or respond to your mental/emotional state with it's own panic signs (the palps).
Have you made a Dr.'s appointment yet? If you've tried some calming excercises, given yourself reassuring self-talk, and possibly done some theraputic journaling, and the palps still continue, it might be worth seeking out an urgent care facility or emergency room. This is, if you're really in distress. Are you able to sleep ok?
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playsinpain
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Posted - 04/24/2007 : 14:10:38
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I am in exactly the same situation you are....I cured my back pain w/ Sarno...dealt with various equivalents through the years...(i.e. shoulder, allergies, bell's palsy (the worst), etc.)...vigorous exercise was always my panacea, because if I could bench press 250 Lbs. or surf big waves nothing could be wrong w/ me. Well 2 years ago, as part of a physical, my doctor told me to get a stress test. When I did it, the cardiologist said it was coming up abnormal...bing, bang , boom...a whole series of tests later he said an angiogram was the only way he could determine wether I had any blockage. So I get the angiogram and what do you know....I have the arteries of an olympian! Everything's clear he says..see him in 3 years.
The next morning my heart beat went crazy. From the usual very steady resting rate of 45 beats per minute to a wildly irregular 70-80 beats per min. Exercise became a near panic experience and I have now been diagnosed with atrial fibrillation for which I am supposed to take both a beta blocker and coumadin. And, while I have begun to exercise regularly again, vigorous would not be the adjetive to describe it. So, sister, I can sympathize.
I am constantly trying to apply Sarno, but it is hard to get the courage to drop the medications and go full bore when your talking about your heart. The absolute key to Sarno success is to be 180% convinced that no danger of permanent injury exists. But every Doctor will tell you that ignoring an irregular heartbeat exposes you to the risks of blood clots that can produce strokes and heart failure.....Quite a Catch-22. Tell me more about your symptoms....is anxiety and panic a big part of the equation? |
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Singer_Artist
USA
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Posted - 04/24/2007 : 20:53:11
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I know how you feel, Shortcake..It had the same affect on me..I think it was the last thing you needed to hear..although I am sure the person meant well..
Try not to worry...You will be fine...I am not doing well at all..Going to post about it momentarily..
Hugs,
Karen |
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playsinpain
28 Posts |
Posted - 04/25/2007 : 08:59:22
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shortcake,
I apologize for scaring you...that wasn't my intent...as a matter a fact I meant just the opposite. I believe this area is another example of clueless doctors with no appreciation for the mind-body connection. I started to have my symptoms AFTER the doctor intervened in my life. If I could go back in time I absolutely would not have had that stress test. Your condition sounds absolutely like CLASSIC TMS-FEAR cycle...I would bet my 401K on it! There is no bigger believer in SARNO than me. My mistake was I had gotten back to such a normal life that I let my guard down and again trusted conventional medicine. I have a Wife and 2 small children, so I felt compelled to get a physical....just to be responsible. I am almost certain that my symptoms are TMS....my point to you was that it is hard to be ABSOLUTELY certain; and that's what you need to move forward. If your EKG is normal and that halter shows an occasional blip, particularly if, while you sleep it is normal...you can be 100% certain it is TMS. I am holding myself back; you should not make that same mistake. |
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Wavy Soul
USA
779 Posts |
Posted - 04/25/2007 : 22:40:00
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I had heart palpitations on my long 3 decades romp through the smorgasbord of TMS.
At the time I was so fed up with people thinking or implying that my illnesses were all in my head that I was quite happy to get some heart symptoms. I had the halter test and all that and maybe they found a teensy weensy thing but not much, but to cover their arse they wanted to do more tests and I remember that I just thought "it's going to be yet another thing I do that turns out to be nothing."
But at the time even though of course I didn't want to have heart problems, I was kind of frustrated that I never got any positive tests, because my symptoms - especially pain and fatigue, were real beyond my control.
Since we all know or suspect that emotional factors are behind many health problems, not just the classics of TMS, we are really lucky that our stuff mostly manifests in relatively harmless ways.
xx
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
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Singer_Artist
USA
1516 Posts |
Posted - 04/27/2007 : 00:01:07
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Hi Shortcake,
I can so relate...The TMS Gremlin travels all over the place in me...In fact, since dealing w/ all this additional stress my heart is skipping sometimes now too..Not as bad as in the past, but it has my attention..I also was up most of the night w/ chest pains while taking care of my KC..My neck is wanting to get worse but i keep talking to my brain and saying NO! I won't let you take this as an opportunity to start it all up again...I had some intermittent hand pain, from the neck...and the gremlin was saying "that's because you are bending more then usual to help your dog.." I say..NO, it's TMS!! What better time then now for it to take hold...
I hope that pain in your side travels right out of your body and leaves you PAIN FREE my friend!
Hugs and God's blessings,
Karen |
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