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jcohen
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 Posted - 01/14/2007 : 14:24:47
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I have a herniated disk. I experience tremendous pain in my left hamstring and buttock, all the way down into my left foot. I had surgery on my disk about 2 and a half years ago, but the pain has recently become unbearable again. My wife turned me on to Sarno's book - Healing Back Pain. I read it and then met with Sarno. I have just finished his next book, Mindbody Prescription. I am scheduled to go to his lecture next week.
Yesterday I made my list of issues and tried my best to give each some details. I guess now I am supposed to keep going over the list and rereading certain sections of Sarno's books. As of now, however, my pain is still quite extreme.
How long does it take to work? Also, I welcome postings from others who also had MRIs demonstrating herniated disks that were impinging the nerves. Thanks. |
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jcohen
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Posted - 01/14/2007 : 19:28:19
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Kelvin, thanks for your reply. I find it helpful to hear about others who have herniated disks "allegedly" impinging on the nerves. Reading your story certainly helps. Glad to hear that you are better. Hopefully after the lecture and panels I will see improvement. Riding in the car is the absolute worst for me.
Interestingly, you also mention reflux, which I also suffer from. I have been on Prevacid for years now. While I hope that Sarno can help me cure that issue as well, I will be happy to just get rid of the leg pains. |
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mizlorinj
USA
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Posted - 01/30/2007 : 13:43:14
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Jcohen, what is the forum like? I was at 1/15's lecture and Dr. Sarno mentioned the forum, but is it a panel that speaks to a bunch of people about their experience and then get questions asked of them, or we speak to each other about our experience? I'm still not clear . . .
I have MRI showing herniated disc at L5 S1, but am happy the pain is pretty much gone and that wasn't the cause!
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 01/30/2007 : 14:46:32
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How long does it take to work?
That is the worst question to ask. It is important to treat recovery as a fundamental change in the way you view the pain and react to it. It is necessary to overcome years of conditioning. Recovery is different for everyone, and if you try to put a timetable on it, you will just get frustrated with lack of results, and your unconscious mind will sieze the opportunity to increase the symptoms and make you doubt the diagnosis.
Take a long term view. Do the work, and the relief will come. The first thing you must do is fully accept that the herniated disc has nothing to do with the pain. The next step is to ignore the pain as best you can, and to refocus your energy on your issues list whenever you are aware of the pain.
You're on the right track ... take it one day at a time and have faith that the relief will come. |
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Stryder
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Posted - 01/30/2007 : 17:54:21
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Hey jcohen,
As long as your doc says you are in no danger (red flags), then consider this. Nerve impingement causes numbness. TMS causes pain. You can have both a HNP (herniated disc) and TMS at the same time of course, but the connection between the HNP and the pain is brainwashing by the medical/industrial complex.
Dave hit the nail on the head. You will start the get better when you get unhooked from the expectations of pain from the HNP. Since you are in no danger, the pain cannot really harm you. Just let it hurt. Its just pain, a signal in your brain. The signal is not related to the HNP, its is cause by your repressed anger and the rage inside you.
The pain is real, for sure. But its being caused by your brain.
How do I know this? Other than the surgery, I walked in your shoes. I had the MRIs, the HNP L5-S1, the hip shift, the PT, the crawling on the floor to the bathroom, days and nights of agony. It took me a couple years after becoming Sarno-aware to be 99% pain free. Its history now.
It takes as long as it takes. You have to turn your thinking upside-down and inside-out from what you have been told all these years. Do your TMS work. Take the leap of faith. No, I'm not religious. But you have to take the leap to radical new thinking. Just do it. You have nothing to loose but your pain.
Sarno rocks. Its true. It works.
Take care, -Stryder
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Edited by - Stryder on 01/30/2007 18:02:36 |
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quadancer
USA
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Posted - 02/20/2007 : 16:48:03
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using a combination of Dr. Sarno's HBP book, the "Law of Attraction" and ab exersizes to strengthen my stomach and re-tilt my pelvis, I've had good success, even only partially believing Dr. Sarno - because of a crushed #4 lumbar.
I just spent 32 years thinking about my back pains, babying my back, and attracting more pain. I now "see" myself as a young, limber 53 year old bodybuilder (which I am) who just today did 560x4 in the lever squats - an impossible feat all my life. My strengths are shooting up WAY past guys much younger than me. I see myself totally pain free and squatting 600 this year, deadlifting 500, an exerize I only started 8 weeks ago after reading Sarno's book. I'm up to 430 allready.
Get positive, don't piss on yourself. It works even if you only partially believe it. 
"Insanity is doing the same things repeatedly and expecting different results." |
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Singer_Artist
USA
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Posted - 02/20/2007 : 21:42:53
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Hi Jchohen,
I feel for you...I have 4 herniated discs, 2 in my neck and 2 in my back..My TMS tends to attack my neck more then my back..In many people it will chose a primary spot, in others it moves around...I am in the middle of an acute attack right now and it is definitely due to stress...Just a month and a half ago I was singing and dancing on stage in NYC..Now I am back in Vegas and viola! Problems again with my neck..I did have some issues in NYC as well, but much more here...My rage, frustration, feeling trapped, etc...happen more when I am here...I never fully got my range of motion back because the doctors terrified me with their diagnosis..I never went to Sarno but watched his videos over and over and read his books...Also got support on this forum as well...You are blessed to have seen Sarno...Tell us more about your visit with him...I wish I could afford to see him, but he is rather expensive...Keep doing the work, you will make it!
God bless,
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salamander
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Posted - 02/20/2007 : 22:38:04
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Jcohen,
You are searching for validation that herniated disks do not cause pain. This is the obvious first step. I dare say that you will find many with herniated disks in their back, including myself. If you do a search of this forum, you will find many instances of documented herniated disks. It was suggested that I have spinal fusion surgery at at 30....I'm fine now at 41. The turning point for me after reading Sarno, was a return to my orthopedic surgeon who showed me MRI's that I had at the age of 20 for an unrelated problem (also probably TMS). This MRI showed two rather severe degenerated disks in my back at age 20!...yet I had no back pain then. He went on to say that my MRI at 30 looked virtually identical to the MRI when I was 20.
It was at that point that what Sarno was saying made sense to me. I have absolutely no back problems despite MRI evidense of "moderate to severe degeneration/bulge of disks at L5S1, facet degeneration, and spondylothesis (sp?)...all ugly on an x-ray. I spent a year depressed about my condition. When I finally figured it out, the pain gradually went away.
You are at the stage were you are looking for validation...which is fine. However, you will eventually have to discard this forum and get on with your life.
I'm with Sarno....herniated disks are all a part of aging and do not cause pain. The most difficult step for me was getting ride of the brainwashing of the "physical abnormalities".
The difficult part is coming to terms with what is stressing you out. You've read the book, talked to Sarno....do you fit the profile? If so, start a gradual return to activity. Remember, YOU WILL NOT HURT YOURSELF.
Best of luck,
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n/a
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Posted - 02/21/2007 : 04:05:47
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An MRI identified a herniated disc at L4-L5 in my spine and a partially collapsed vetebra in there as well. This was back in 2002. That diagnosis turned a sore back into an unbearable ordeal until I worked out the mind body connection.
Working that out was what made me start to research mind body conditions, which led me to Dr Sarno's work and this board in 2003.
It took time, but I have succeeded.
It sounds like you are in a place where your whole life is dominated by the pain, Jcohen. It's a hellish place to be - but your recovery has started and you will get there. Don't set yourself a time goal - note and enjoy every little step along the way to recovery.
Let us know how the lecture went.
Anne
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