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Michele
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 Posted - 09/29/2006 : 09:40:50
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As I was walking out of work last night, I walked with our receptionist. She told me she'd be gone today because her sister was having back surgery. She's already had 2 vertebra fused, and she's having it re-done and 2 more fused. She said, "Her doctor told her she would NEVER be pain free."
I looked at her and told her that was a terrible thing for the doctor to tell her sister. He COULD have said, "After this surgery, you will never have pain again." Now her brain has latched onto the doctor's words and will start to believe it.
The receptionist also had back surgery late last year and a week before, I gave her Dr. Sarno's book to read. She read it, thanked me, and proceeded with the surgery. She is still in alot of pain.
It makes me mad when I hear stories like this, and sad for the people who don't know about Sarno, or refuse to consider TMS. |
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2scoops
USA
386 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2006 : 09:46:14
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| There's a verse in the bible that states, as a man thinks, so is he. Seems to be the case here. There world is filled with so many lies and misinformation, it hard to know who to believe and who to trust.But it seems, the pain is caused by what be believe it is caused by. The problem is many believe it structural. |
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h2oskier25
USA
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Posted - 09/29/2006 : 09:58:14
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Michele,
I feel your frustration. It is SO negligent of doctors to treat patients this way.
Someday, it will be medical malpractice for doctors not to consider the emotional factors behind the pain.
Regard,
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 09/29/2006 : 10:14:14
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Yup, the damning NOCEBO EFFECT. I feel for me, and probably for most others, the nocebo effect is much more powerful than the placebo effect. With the placebo effect you feel good for a while, with the nocebo effect you feel damned for a long time, maybe years or forever. 
Do a google search of "nocebo effect". TMS'ers should learn about it in order to overcome it and prevent being gullibel to it. |
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Carolyn
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Posted - 09/29/2006 : 14:29:45
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My doctor told me that it wasn't reasonable for me to expect to be able to get rid of my pelvic pain. He told me chronic pelvic pain is never cured, you just have to find a way to cope with it. Fortunately I wsn't willing to believe him- I found Sarno's work and am now pain-free. I still go to this doctor as my Ob/Gyn. He knows I am pain-free but he told me to 'expect that it might come back'. Well it does come back from time to time but now I know what it is and I get rid of it quickly. I try to tell him what I have learned in the hopes that he will spread it on to other patients who are sufferning (he is a specialist in chronic pelvic pain) but he just nods patronizingly at me. It is very frustrating. A doctors words carry so much weight with a patient- the Nocebo effect is hard to overcome. He could do so much good just by offering some hope.
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Posted - 09/30/2006 : 07:24:32
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It's so sad to hear these, oh so typical, stories, Michele. Learn to live with pain - NOCEBO indeed TT. Beth, that day can't come soon enough. It just seems so obvious - but I have to remind myself that I nearly went down the same road as Micehel's receptionist's sister. Patronising doctors, Carolyn - a breed that is not going to die out any time soon, unfortunately.
Many years ago, during my teacher training, I remember a tutorial discussion about methods of discipline. I knew instinctively that if I succeeded in making students feel positive about themselves and make sure I noticed their achievements, no matter how small - I would not have many problems with discipline and I did not.
Why then did it take me so long to apply that same logic to my own health? I guess we think of teaching as 'of the mind' and health as 'of the body'. Only when I gave the same respect to myself as I gave to my students did I recover.
Dr Sarno doesn't teach - he enables us to learn about ourselves and what makes us tick.
2scoops - that quotation from the Bible is the most concise description of TMS I have ever read. I know it means a great deal more than TMS, but once a person can change the way he or she thinks about their pain - then recovery can begin.
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ralphyde
USA
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Posted - 09/30/2006 : 11:26:04
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These doctors are planting "toxic ideas" (I can't recall right now who uses this term) in their patients, and this is real medical malpractice, which violates the Hippocratic oath of "Do no harm."
So much of what I've been reading recently stresses the importance of our beliefs in determining our realities, and it is so true. We each create our own reality based on our beliefs, attitudes, and how we treat others.
And it's very hard to break free from the negative beliefs we are fed daily (constant TV ads about pills, for example, creating new diseases in our minds to worry about).
Ralph
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