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GuyH
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 Posted - 06/30/2006 : 18:50:12
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| I am a runner and started feeling a click when I raised my leg up and down.I can feel it under my skin on the inner part of my knee.I can still run but it is really irritating.I also can tell it is a little lump and swollen.How can I tell if this is a TMS issue or a real injury.I know DR. Sarno says the knee is a prominent place for for TMS in the surrounding ligaments.I had extreme back pain for over 20 years and have been cured for 7 years thanks to Sarnos principles.Thanks |
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HilaryN
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/01/2006 : 15:27:16
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It could be TMS - but best get it checked out by a doctor if you're in doubt.
Hilary N |
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art
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Posted - 07/01/2006 : 15:45:56
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Guy,
Welcome to my world. I'm a runner, cycler, golfer, all round workout nut/athlete person...I do something strenuous almost every day of the week.ON top of that, I'm 55 years old. So I battle with uncertainty constantly...I've always got something going on in the way of aches and pains, including knees, often both of them..
All I can tell you is this, that in the last two years I've barely missed a workout due to injury...Basically I treat everything as TMS. So far I haven't had cause to regret that...
I've stopped going to doctors as well. They've even less of a clue than I do...
My basic rule of thumb is if it's not killing me, or getting progressively worse to the point of killing me during a run or whatever, I just keep going..
This is a radical change for me as in the past I'd obsess about every little thing...I still have my moments, but I'm much, much better in the worry department. I can't tell you what a relief that is. |
Edited by - art on 07/01/2006 15:47:05 |
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Singer_Artist
USA
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Posted - 07/01/2006 : 19:41:23
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Your post is very inspiring to me, Art! can't wait to be where you are!  |
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GuyH
USA
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Posted - 07/02/2006 : 13:41:11
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| Thank you for your responses.Art ,I think you are right .It seems like I also obsess too much about my aches and pains.I actually ran 14 miles today and the knee felt pretty good .Much better than the last week.Now I know it must be TMS.Thanks again everyone |
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Stryder
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Posted - 07/03/2006 : 11:06:53
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Hi Guy,
Things happens to your body all the time, bumps, bruises, swelling. Some are painful some are not. If you monitor the "swelling" over a couple days, as long as its not getting seriously worse, dont obsess about it.
As HilaryN (and Dr. Sarno) says, have a doc check for any serious condition, and if you come up clean then treat it as TMS.
But I also agree with Art that docs, in general, don't have a clue. They budget 8 minutes to listen to what you are saying and 2 minutes to DX and prescribe. Wow, a whole 10 minutes. "That will be $125 see the front desk on your way out." Gee, no wonder TMS is misdiagnosed so much of the time !
Take care, -Stryder. |
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Singer_Artist
USA
1516 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2006 : 12:34:14
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Hey Stryder,
I really like what you write to others...Wish you would write to me sometime... Your posts are very inspiring...
~Karen |
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art
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Posted - 07/03/2006 : 13:17:32
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It was some other thread I think that the subject of fear came up (they all start to blend together after a while)...Anyway, at the risk of repeating myself, it seems that what many of us TMS'ers have in common is a raging case of hypochondria, and I do think that's part of the whole deal...It's been a while since I've read any of the books...Does Dr. Sarno discuss that at all??
Even now, despite the progess I've made, I'm on one level constantly monitoring myself..I'll be running along and notice knee pain for example...OK, I say to myself, it's merely TMS. And if it's not TMS, it's just not a big deal anyway...As Stryder points out, things happen to our bodies al the time...Just because my knee is twinging, or my ankle, or my heel (and sometimes all three and more at once.., it just doesn't mean anything..
And then there are the "meta-considerations," which are also important to my recovery. What I mean is, while I'm not injured today, and probably won't be tomorrow, eventually something will come along that will be more serious. It's part of being alive, and part of aging. I want to be prepared for that day, and to be able to say to myself, and believe, that it's not the end of the world, that there are more important things in the universe than old Art having to take a few days off from running, or a few weeks, or even, when the time comes (and it will if I live long enough), having to quit running forever..
It's really amazing to me, how this TMS stuff has really been the start of a whole journey really....I came here looking for help with some over-use syndrome or other (I think it was hamstrings that brought me here the first time, but it could have been any one of a million different perceived injuries), and I ended up getting a whole prescription for living a better kind of life..Very grateful for that..
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hsb
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Posted - 07/03/2006 : 13:31:49
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Art-
I fight the same battle ALL the time. I am a big runner as well. I have been going along really fine until this past Wednesday. For some reason my adductor has been killing me. I ignored it. I ran 10 miles yesterday and now it is raging and going into the hamstring. For the past 4 months or so any little niggles I have been able to tell my mind they are nothing; but this really really hurts and I think the running is making it worse. So the inner conflict begins...... to run or not run. I know I am not going to go for treatment that's for sure. Is it a real running injury or is it TMS. I am not yet at the place where I know that answer. I realize that that is part of the syndrome ---- the hesitancy and the doubt. I'm there now!!!
Art - any suggestions.
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art
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Posted - 07/03/2006 : 15:29:19
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Hey hs,
I wish I had some words of wisdom for you beyond what's already been said. I'd say the worst pain I've had under my new TMS regime was illiotibial band syndrome...That gets to the point where you really pretty much have to stop...One reads all kinds of scary stories about IBS, that it's notoriously difficult to treat, and you definitely make it worse by continuing to run etc etc...I thought for sure it had to be "real." But I learned here that IBS is in fact TMS, or at the very least, often is...Armed with this, and despite the fact that I had to quit a bunch of times bfore my planned run was completed, I continued to take my scheduled runs...Not only that, I did none of the icing, stretching etc that's supposedly crucial for healing...Lo and behold, it went away, and I'd had it of and on for a long time...And it's never come back...If it does, I'll be ready for it...
Adductor is what, a hip thing? Or maybe the inside of the leg? IT's so hard to make recommendations to someone...UNless it was really killing me, I'd consider still running and see what happened..Obviously if you're running and it gets worse and worse to the point of severe pain, you probably should stop and reassess..
What makes this stuff such a challenge is that there just are no guarantees..WE all want them, but they just don't exist and I think our need for them just feeds the illness..
The other thing I'd suggest is looking at your history...Is this injury similar to others you've had in terms onf onset, pain levels, etc etc..If so, did they all go away? That would definitely be encouraging.. |
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hsb
149 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2006 : 15:39:45
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thanks art.
the adductor is in the inner thigh. it hurts there and then wraps around the hamstring. as you so keenly observed --- the challenge is deciding what to do, how to treat it, etc. yes i have had a history of TMS types of "injuries". and now i am going through the
"should i run", "should i not run". if i run it will get worse and not heal, ad nauseum.
i am going to continue to run until as you say ,i can't take another step. it definitely came out of the blue. the hardest thing for me is something that i have written before on this message board --- is that runners do get things (won't say injuries). i do think part of the tms mentality is the going over and over the questions of what to do. as you said, there is no definite answer. i do ruminate. i have been pretty good lately - alot of niggles but nothing to make me stop.
this pain is kind of different - it really hurts.
question art- you said you ran through your ITB stuff but you had it for a long long time. do you think if you stopped running, it would have healed sooner?
i will report back. thanks art for your insight. |
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art
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Posted - 07/03/2006 : 16:50:51
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hs,
I think if I'd stopped running for a while it would not have healed at all. ..I'm sure it would have just come back as by then it was just this chronic thing that would kind of ebb and flow...
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hsb
149 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2006 : 17:08:34
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Thanks Art. The whole ruminating thing is a huge TMS characteristic I think. I do believe that people wo do not have TMS do not have this kind of obsession on what is right, what to do. The fretting and constant second guessing add more fuel to the fire me thinks.
That's exactly what I"m doing. Though the one thing i am not doing is going to a doctor, getting a treatment -- that's useless. Being prone to TMS makes the decision making tougher.
Being an obsessive runner, i don't want to take a week off and see if rest makes a difference. Again I think that is a difference between a TMSer and someone else.
So I will run and plug on and see what happens.
Thanks ART |
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Stryder
686 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2006 : 18:26:05
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Originally posted by Singer_Artist
Hey Stryder,
I really like what you write to others...
Hey Karen,
Thanks for the kind words, I try. I hope my posts are helpful.
You have racked up so many posts in only 2 weeks that I have not had enough time to follow your threads in order to give you a meaningful reply ;-) I think this is a good thing, I also use the forum as my journaling tool.
If you want to read some more good forum posts go back an re-read the posts from austingary, tennistom and baseball65.
Take care, -Stryder |
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Knee pain:TMS or real injury
