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narny24
Croatia
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 Posted - 02/25/2006 : 04:44:31
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I read Mind Body Prescription, i liked the book, m wondering if there is so much anger accumulated inside, where does it go once the person is healed from TMS?
The key to healing seems to be accepting TMS theory, seeing the true nature of symptoms as they come and changing the focus from body to mind, but this doesent seem to address all the anger/energy accumulated inside, what happens to it?
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altherunner
Canada
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Posted - 02/25/2006 : 20:36:00
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From what I understand, it doesn't ever go away for most people. I think by knowing and learning about the anger, it stops the symptoms.
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narny24
Croatia
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Posted - 02/26/2006 : 14:20:50
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From what i understand the problem is in anger resorvoir that is filled and can not be emptied so body utilizes pain to protect us from unacceptable anger that was so big now it became rage.
Maybe i dont understand this but this is how i see it, the case that makes lots of sense is of that abused woman who expressed her feelings, yelled, shouted, expressed all the negative energy, this seems to work real time when we are pissed off you shout, kick or do something and it goes away, but i m wondering once i m healed if i dont express this anger how can this anger in subconcious mind be solved then? Could it return in form of TMS? |
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altherunner
Canada
511 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2006 : 19:04:05
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I have been trying to come up with an analogy. Say you live next door to a house that has a big mean dog, and you are scared of dogs.
It barks at you, from behind a fence, and you don't want to even see it. Then,once, you peek over the fence and see it is secure, and it is never allowed out of the yard. From then on, it is no big deal. It still barks once in a while, but you are no longer fearful of it.
If you are a little mean, you might even taunt it, or make fun of it.
The anger is big and scary, but it can't come out, so it's not really a problem for you. In the rare instances that it does, that can be tragic, but fortunately, these are very rare. Hope this helps. |
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narny24
Croatia
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Posted - 02/27/2006 : 04:15:11
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Ty for your reply Al,
if i understand correct your analogy you are saying that anger is under our control so dog can not escape the fence, so how is this fence created?
I think i accept TMS, i know all the time my "tms tinglings" in limbs are just in my head, i know, ok i suppose its rage down there causing it but it still seems to be there all the time.
Maybe i should act out these feelings inside, like get crazy and start kicking and punching like a maniac, and accept that maniacal side of me, since just knowing and reading doesent seem to do any good.
Angry dog obviously wants to get out but if this is so why doesent subconcious mind create this fence and resolve our anger problem in the first place. Seems to me its something more needed to be done. |
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Tony Noonan
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/27/2006 : 07:50:54
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Hi Narny. I suspect that it does not go anywhere, but remains stored within the cells of the body (why the pain occurs), and as a result may cause future problems. What I liked about Brandon Bays Journey therapy, is that it allows the repressed anger/rage (and other emotions) to be released fully from the body, thereby removing any possibility of it causing future problems.
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narny24
Croatia
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Posted - 02/27/2006 : 08:47:54
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| I like what one of posters said in one of the recent posts about anger, he said he meditates, goes back and first calls fear then anger and acts out on anger and rage, this seems like a good thing we should all do sometimes in solace but since its hard to find a place where you can let this cave man out if you dont live alone, maybe a sole trip to nature, some meditation, provoking it out and raging like hell till it goes out on the next stone near you. |
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miehnesor
USA
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Posted - 02/27/2006 : 14:33:42
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Originally posted by altherunner
I have been trying to come up with an analogy. Say you live next door to a house that has a big mean dog, and you are scared of dogs.
It barks at you, from behind a fence, and you don't want to even see it. Then,once, you peek over the fence and see it is secure, and it is never allowed out of the yard. From then on, it is no big deal. It still barks once in a while, but you are no longer fearful of it.
If you are a little mean, you might even taunt it, or make fun of it.
The anger is big and scary, but it can't come out, so it's not really a problem for you. In the rare instances that it does, that can be tragic, but fortunately, these are very rare. Hope this helps.
I agree with this. The key is to get the unconscious to not be so afraid of the rage. I think my rage is still very big even after all the feeling work i've done; however, I know that I am not as unconsciously afraid of it as I once was. This is the reason my symptoms have come down. |
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narny24
Croatia
19 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2006 : 11:07:04
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Originally posted by miehnesor
I agree with this. The key is to get the unconscious to not be so afraid of the rage. I think my rage is still very big even after all the feeling work i've done; however, I know that I am not as unconsciously afraid of it as I once was. This is the reason my symptoms have come down.
Hi Miehnesor, thank you for contributing, i m glad for your success,
i m wondering are you referring to unconcious minds that trigger TMS that they are afraid of anger? What was it that you did for being not afraid unconciously of anger so much? |
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Scottydog
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/28/2006 : 12:35:11
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Narny,
Anger has built up over a life time and is caused by many different things.
I've found journalling and thinking deeply about what ever you feel is causing your anger helps. Try to think of why something makes you so angry. Writing stuff down stops it running round and round in your head so you can try to analyse what the problem really is.
Being completely honest with yourself isn't easy.
The present day stuff you may be able to do something about right now. Past issues you could possibly discuss with family or friends to get a better understanding of what went on.
Anger in my case wasn't one single issue to be fixed by one solution.
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miehnesor
USA
430 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2006 : 17:06:24
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Originally posted by narny24
quote:
Originally posted by miehnesor
I agree with this. The key is to get the unconscious to not be so afraid of the rage. I think my rage is still very big even after all the feeling work i've done; however, I know that I am not as unconsciously afraid of it as I once was. This is the reason my symptoms have come down.
Hi Miehnesor, thank you for contributing, i m glad for your success,
i m wondering are you referring to unconcious minds that trigger TMS that they are afraid of anger? What was it that you did for being not afraid unconciously of anger so much?
Narny- Feeling the unconscious fear then the unconscious rage is what does it. And doing this over and over and over and (did I say over again). It's all there in the "regarding anger" thread. |
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n/a
560 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2006 : 09:54:44
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| The anger never leaves. It is becoming aware of the anger it its links with your pain that is important..... |
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AriG00
USA
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 01:03:42
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I am just getting started but I think TMS will really help me, it has helped so far with my nuerological symptoms a lot, I had some unsteadiness when walking, dizzyness, panic etc.. anyway I think anger is definitely curable, I think once you accept the diagnosis the pain starts to go away, this is Sarno's method, to cure the pain. If you want to cure anger, try some books on dealing with anger, and work on being more forgiving, there are many ways to relieve anger and walk around with no repressed anger, it takes work and effort and digging, but if you want it, its very possible.
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Originally posted by PeterMcKay
The anger never leaves. It is becoming aware of the anger it its links with your pain that is important.....
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narny24
Croatia
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 02:14:31
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| TMS definetely helped me too, but it seems theres lots of repressed anger that needs to be dealt with somehow, any pointers how to handle anger when it comes? Wish i could just snap my finger ant its gone. :-) |
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AriG00
USA
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 02:37:26
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Research, go to amazon, type in anger
buy a book that looks nice, try it.
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Originally posted by narny24
TMS definetely helped me too, but it seems theres lots of repressed anger that needs to be dealt with somehow, any pointers how to handle anger when it comes? Wish i could just snap my finger ant its gone. :-)
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n/a
560 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2006 : 06:23:29
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| You may refer to books on "curing" anger, but it is not in Dr. Sarno's TMS recovery program. Self awareness and acceptance is the key.....There is nothing to cure. |
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miehnesor
USA
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 12:37:12
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Originally posted by PeterMcKay
The anger never leaves. It is becoming aware of the anger it its links with your pain that is important.....
Yes and in a small number of cases the emotion needs to be felt. Remember Helen's example in the MBP? The symptoms increased, even though she understood the theory, until the emotion broke through into consciousness at which point the symptoms disappeared. TMS'ers may suspect they may have to feel if there is a lot of resistance to resolution even after understanding the Sarno theory. Sarno says this almost always needs psychotherapy for effective treatment and I agree with him. |
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AriG00
USA
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Posted - 03/05/2006 : 12:05:34
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I am referring to books on anger management, as in
life after TMS, you have coping skills in which you
learn to not "repress anger" and this helps if you
have a severe TMS problem, and a social problem
of repressing your emotions. Sarno says repeatedly
that some patients will need psychological help
in addition to the treatment process, I am one of
those people, and that is something that has helped
me unmesarable, to really take a look at my life,
this is what Sarno suggests to do.
Taking a look at your life includes taking control of your emotions.
You have an anger problem, you work on it, you don't
stop Sarno's therapy, its just an add, that he in
fact reccomends, its not physical therapy, you
are primarily focusing on your emotions, which is
exactly what we are instructed to do, you agree?
Ari
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Originally posted by PeterMcKay
You may refer to books on "curing" anger, but it is not in Dr. Sarno's TMS recovery program. Self awareness and acceptance is the key.....There is nothing to cure.
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Anger question
