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gevorgyan
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 Posted - 01/03/2006 : 11:17:52
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| How wrong I was thinking that this is my topic and I can lead it on my own. This admonishing really annoys me, so I go away. Thanks for all kindly answers and testimonies. Bye |
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Curiosity18
USA
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Posted - 01/04/2006 : 00:17:28
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gevorgyan,
Please don't go away. It's just that the religious issue seems to come up over and over in this forum, and then slowly but surely the topic begins to stray. You have contributed so much to this forum in the short time that you have been involved. I do believe it is necessary, however for Dave to set parameters, otherwise the subject begins to veer off from the very core of TMS. I have been involved in this forum for less than a year now and I have seen this happen at least three times. Each time, Dave patiently brings the topic back to center again, and someone typically gets offended. Please understand that it's not your religious beliefs that are being challenged here. I sure hope you reconsider your involvement in the forum.
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jilly_girl
USA
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Posted - 01/04/2006 : 17:18:37
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dave, very unfair. faith is a very important part of the mind/body connection. no one here is trying to convert anyone. maybe there is a reason the topic often comes around to faith. its because its part of the picture for most of us. by ignoring the God issue you are ignoring something that could very well be a source of deep healing physically and emotionally for us.
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Suz
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Posted - 01/04/2006 : 20:49:29
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In Dave's defence, I think he is just trying to keep us all on track with discussing how to apply Sarno's successful method of healing from TMS pain and other equivalents. This board is about how to apply Sarno's method because quite frankly it really works. It is not about discussing an alternative route to pain relief. Sometimes, some of the posts in this thread drift off into discussing religion and God and how that heals us. That is another discussion entirely - for another board.
The only time this has come up in Sarno's work (and in a personal discussion I had with Sarno) was in relation to religion putting tremendous pressure on the person - thereby feeding into the well of stress in the unconscious. The unconscious does not want to follow rules and regulations of any kind and gets angry. Deeply religious people are often "goodists" - whether that is good or bad in life is immaterial - it simply feeds into TMS and must be recognized as part of the recovery process.
I will also add that often this board drifts off into other suggestions of healing - such as applying meditation etc. I don't believe they receive the same kind of censoring - why? I don't know - that is certainly unfair. Religion presses people's buttons and gets an immediate response. |
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jilly_girl
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2006 : 06:23:43
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suz i respect what you said in your post, but isnt the main issue for hurting people pain relief? i realize this board is about Dr. Sarno and his methods but someone in a great deal of pain wants to stop hurting by ANY method. If faith has helped it should be mentioned.
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2006 : 08:34:44
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Originally posted by jilly_girl
...faith is a very important part of the mind/body connection...
Many people search for pain relief and religion is a part of that search. That's all well and good ... but this forum is about TMS.
My personal opinion is that religious faith does not enter into the TMS equation at all. TMS is about acquiring the knowledge of what is truly going on with your mind/body and doing very specific things to thwart the purpose of the symptoms. It requires faith in the diagnosis, faith in yourself, but not faith in any religion.
This forum has a specific scope. There are thousands of sites on the Internet where you can have religious discussions. This is not one of them.
Nevertheless I don't "censor" any posts on this site except for those that violate the policy. I do try to nudge the converation back on track if I feel it is warranted. If you want to view me as a mean, evil censor, that is your right. But if you look at the history of this forum I think you will find that is not the case. |
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jilly_girl
USA
108 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2006 : 09:31:45
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Dave, i certainly dont think you are mean and I dont believe anyone else does either. You said it was your "personal opinion" that faith doesnt enter into the TMS picture. i would disagree with that. faith can deeply affect the mind, body and emotions. I do respect your right as the board monitor to say what goes. thank you.
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gevorgyan
115 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2006 : 09:52:11
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Ok, I come back, it seems me that I can not stand much time without you. You must appreciate that I am better and better in expressing my anger.
Dave, our cure is about the faith – the faith in Sarno’s theory. The faith is a gift because it is not so easy to trust in something so new. According to the book, only the total adjustment to the new diagnose can be a prerequisite to the treatment of TMS. Everything which will help us to get rid of pain must happen in our mind – the area also unknown and difficult to explain.
So it is really all about the faith and the faith just must be in each tract here.
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ralphyde
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2006 : 10:33:57
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Originally posted by jilly_girl
but isnt the main issue for hurting people pain relief?
Pain relief may be a short term issue, but the long term issue and the issue of this forum is complete healing using Dr. Sarno's methods. And unfortunately, short term pain relief such as drugs, shots, massage, chiropractors, or acupuncture can be in conflict with and prevent or postpone real healing. As Dr. Sarno says:
"The principle is that one must renounce any structural explanation either for the pain or its cure, or the symptoms will continue. Manipulation, heat, massage, exercise, and acupuncture all presuppose a physical disorder that can be treated by some physical means. Unless that whole concept is repudiated, the pain and other symptoms continue." p. 81, HBP
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