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holly
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 Posted - 12/03/2005 : 10:06:29
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| After having breast implants for 7 years I hurt myself on this exercise machine. That was this past august. It has been pretty bad especially after driving, getting in & out of my car, lifting and stretching up for something simple. I have been to 3 plastic surgeons. One said I weakened the capsule that forms around the implant and I need to operate. The 2nd said it is scar tissue pain, also operate & the 3rd. said I tore a muscle in my chest and it needs time to heal. (my implants are in front of the muscle) The MRI doesn't show much to speak of and cannot show tears etc. Aside from the pain, I can feel them now rolling around inside me which was not that way before. My husband keeps saying not to rule out TMS and I just get madder when he say's this because I know I really did something bad in there. The thing is that maybe a week before I had mentioned to him "thank god I don't have a problem with my breast implants" when talking about another problem to him. Obviously TMS can make a condition feel worse, but what is the possibility that this can be all TMS. The pain is always there but is always worse after a busy day of running around, cleaning, driving etc. This is starting to drive me crazy. Any input? |
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elise8
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Posted - 12/03/2005 : 10:26:22
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I have a very dear friend that has been through Hell with her implants. She was having a mammogram and somehow the technition caused a rupture in her implants. She found this out later. They slowly started leaking and caused her pain and discomfort. She ended up having them removed. Upon opening her up they found her silicone implant leaking all around inside the scar tissue (capsule) and even leaking in to the muscle tissue. The other one was also leaking with tiny pinholes in it just from wearing out. She did not have new ones put in as her surgeon told her the average life span of implants if 7-10 years before you have them replaced again. This even after her original surgoen told her that they would last forever.... Also she became very ill after the implants ruptured with many strange symptoms she never had before. She thinks it is related to the implant leakage..
Check out on the internet for resources to have implants removed or evaluated by a surgeon who is experienced with proper removal. From what I understand you have to have the capsule removed as well.
The forum my friend swears by and where she got most of her help is:
www.explantation.com You may find answers to your questions there, on both silicone and saline implants..and many women who have had problems. My friend had to fly to another state to find a qualified surgeon to remove hers. She is now very happy and feels much better.... without any implants.
Good luck,
Elise.
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holly
USA
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Posted - 12/03/2005 : 20:45:51
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The one thing I do know is that there is no rupture. (confermed by the MRI). But something has happened and it is not getting any better. I will check out that forum you suggested tomorrow.
Thanks alot! |
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Posted - 12/04/2005 : 02:07:56
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I'm not enjoying reading this! I had reconstructive surgery two and a half years ago, after a mastectomy for breast cancer and have an implant. Reading these posts is enough to bring on TMS (only joking - I hope).
To anyone else who might have implants - I've had no trouble with mine, in fact, I'm really happy with the excellent results achieved by my excellent surgeon.
Scary stories like these are not what I want to read on a Sunday morning! |
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holly
USA
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Posted - 12/04/2005 : 08:41:56
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| Anne I am sorry to ruin your morning. It was not my intention I assure you. I read alot of stuff that I shouldn't because I too don't "need" to hear it. I am trying to resist going to the website that elise is recommending for the same reason. ( I am sure I will cave in and check it out even knowing that it will probably ruin not only my day but week!) If it makes you feel better my first set of implants were fine for 15 years. I changed them after giving birth to my 2nd daughter. They were a different type ,double lumin (Silicone surrounded by saline). They had seemed smaller after childbirth and I figured it was a good time to change them to saline to play it safe. when they removed them the saline was gone and all that was left was this little silicone ball to my surprise. The new saline implant felt really weird and unnatural inside and I switched them to silicone about 6 months later. That's three operations! I would not worry as my situation is very different than yours. Who knows how much scar tissue developed because of 3 surgeries. I assure you I was fine until I used that machine . I would just like to know EXACTLY what I did that's all! |
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Posted - 12/05/2005 : 02:28:41
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Apologies - Holly and Elise8
I was out of sorts yesterday morning - no TMS attack though - I've come a long way regarding TMS.
I knew exactly what I was getting into regarding reconstructive surgery - I'm resigned to perhaps needing a replacement implant sometime down the line. The morning I first met my surgeon is imprinted on my brain! I'd been called back after routine screening for more scans and tests because something suspicious had been spotted. She told me two microsopic areas of malignancy had been found and because there was more than one area she recommended a masectomy, but she could do immediate reconstrucive surgery.
So, not only had I been given a devastating diagnosis, I had to decide in the space of a week whether to go ahead with a procedure that was not necessary to save my life. I tried hard to think myself into the frame of mind that would allow me to live with one breast - but coudln't - I really wanted the psychological armour of what she, my surgeon, was offering. My husband was against me undergoing a far bigger operation than was medically necessary, but I went for it anyway. Absolutely no regrets - that surgeon is wonderful.
Two interesting things regarding that time and TMS: although this was major, surgery, I had no real pain after the operation - swelling and discomfort for a while, but that's all.
The second thing (and I know I'll never find out the answer to this), this all happened round about the time I was making a good recovery from terrible TMS pain, unbearable anxiety and a completely pessimistic outlook. For the first time in years things were looking good for me - and there I was facing a life threatening illness.
The thing is - during the time between diagnosis and surgery - a period of two weeks, one of the malignant areas disappeared. When I went for the final results three weeks after my operation - I was told that I needed no chemotherapy or radiotherapy because the malignant areas was a grade 0 tumour - no spread at all, and the second area no longer existed when I had surgery.
The question remains - had TMS allowed my immune system to become weak - allowing these cancer cells to grow? I was well into my recovery during this time, so did my body get rid of one of the malignant areas spontaneously and had I postponed surgery, would the other one have disappeared also? I'll never know and I have absolutely no regrets about having surgery, but it's an interesting idea anyway.
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holly
USA
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Posted - 12/05/2005 : 08:22:14
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AnneG,
That is some story! I can't help wondering if you went for a couple of opinions first? (I am sure you did) Did they say this has ever happened before? Maligment areas dissapearing? How many people looked at the film? My mom developed breast cancer after going thru alot of stress with my younger brother. I think Sarno has a section about cancer in his book. (If this is the case then I really am in trouble!!)
I can relate on many levels. This is what I am feeling now...I am in alot of discomfort. My whole life style is being cramped not being able to do things with my arms. I have beautiful looking good size breasts (but my husband can't touch now). They were put in front of the muscle making it impossible to get a mammo. I take an MRI yearly and pray that it is as good but know that a mammo will pick up things that perhaps an MRI won't. My mother had a breast removed for breast cancer at about 52 years old and got an implant and went into complete remission. She died 3 years ago but NOT from breast cancer. I am actually thinking now that if I have to go in for surgery for these implants I might just get them removed instead of doing the whole capulectomy thing. If I remove them completly I will go from great breasts to deflated balloons.(rage) It is like a masectomy as I hardly had any breasts to start with. (I am now a 34D and was a 34A) Can I handle that I ask myself? I am now 48 with two beautiful children. I too have to worry about breast cancer. My original surgeon at the time told me that woman with the implants seem to have less incidence of breast cancer. Frankly I am going thru torture trying to decide how to handle this whole thing. I need help here. |
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elise8
USA
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Posted - 12/05/2005 : 09:42:43
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Holly, have you visited that site yet that I mentioned? My friend gained a lot of strength through the people on that site.
Also my friend was a size C+ with implants and after she had them removed (with capsule taken out), she is now a beautiful size small B. She was a size A before the implants. The sugeon she went to is in Texas and he did a great job. He did an "internal lift" on her after he took the implants out. She has shown me the outcome and it now looks like her books are a 20 year old's. She looks wonderful and feels so natural. They do not look deflated at all. She can finally quit obscessing and worrying about her breasts.
Good luck with whatever you decide. But I really recommend visiting that site... they are very supportive...
Elise
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holly
USA
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Posted - 12/05/2005 : 10:00:03
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elise I looked at the site a little bit yesterday but my kids were around. I am afraid to start reading the horror stories. I will check it out a little today( I am sooooo bent out of shape over this) My implants are 550cc. (thats alot of stretching of the skin)
Actually I went from an A to a DD! They look approiate for me, not Pam Anderson type. So your friend was an A too? I went two sizes past her! What size were her implants? How long did she need to recooperate? How old is she?? If she is young her skin has more elasticity. thanks for all your help. Maybe I WILL go check out that site now. |
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art
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Posted - 12/06/2005 : 15:47:37
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I'm responding to this thread somewhat reluctantly, because I don't wish to hurt anyone's feelings..And for those who've had implants that's water under the bridge...
But I was thinking, just in case someone reads this who's in the considering implants stage, I can tell you as a pretty typical guy in my estimation, implants simply aren't needed.
What some women don't seem to understand is that breasts, simply by virtue of their being breasts, are quite attractive to men and size simply doesn't matter...Ok, it might to a certain "type" but for the vast majority of guys it's a non-issue. I can absolutely guarantee it...Small breasts, including tiny breasts, are every bit as sexy as bigger ones..
But there's something else...I have yet to see breast implants that didn't look like exactly what they are...They just don't look natural..
Again, I'm sure there must be a few exceptions out there amongst the guys in the world, but for most of us, small breasts are vastly preferable to fake larger ones...
I also want to say that I'm aware that some women aren't doing it for men, but for themselves for whatever reason...And that's obviously an entirely different thing...Also, women who have lost a breast to cancer, that's a different thing as well...
I'm only talking about breast implants put in because women think this will make them sexier to men..it won't, not in the long run anyway..
I've seen women who are absolutely gorgeous, with just beautiful small breasts, really ruin their bodies with these...It kind of makes me sad when I see this as it's just so very unnecessary...
Perhaps there are some surgeons out there who are able to make these things look real, but I have to say I have yet to see any..
I realize this is a very personal decision and for those who've had it done and are happy with them more power to you...Perhaps some women feel more confident somehow, and I can certainly understand that
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Posted - 12/06/2005 : 16:26:26
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Art,
Thank you for your post....wish the world was populated with more men like you! |
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elise8
USA
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Posted - 12/06/2005 : 16:44:17
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Holly,
My friend is in her 50s. She nursed 3 babies so her breasts were streched and saggy before implants. She had implants for a long time, not sure of their size but she was a "big" C cup. She was also worried about what her breasts would look like. But she was so ready to have them out that she did not care. She had so many health problems. She was surprised to find out how great they now look. I think this is a credit to her surgeon who also did the "lift" at the same time and took away some extra skin and somehow made them look like normal breasts again. You must choose your surgeon carefully. On that site they have many recommendations. They also have personal stories section with before and after pictures and what surgeon did the procedure (the explantation). She went to a doctor in Texas. He is listed on that site. I was with her after she got home and really she recovered very quickly..and healed up great... She is just so happy to have them out. But maybe you still like yours and you do not want them out. You have to decide. Maybe you should just have them "fixed" by your original surgeon and just keep them or get new ones. You sound like you are not really ready to have them out yet. You have to be really, really ready to have them removed. Otherwise it could, in my opinon cause psychological problems.
Elise
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holly
USA
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Posted - 12/06/2005 : 17:45:29
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Art & elise,
I decided that I am going to remove them after reading the other site. I never thought I would feel that way but they don't seem as important to me anymore. One thing I do know for sure is that if I have to operate it would be to remove NOT replace. It is just a matter of how to fit it in. I am trying to find out how long of a recooperation is involved. Right now my left breast is acheing like crazy after driving alot today. opening and closing the car door 20 times doesn't help either! Thanks for your support! |
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art
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 05:49:44
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I decided that I am going to remove them after reading the other site. I never thought I would feel that way but they don't seem as important to me anymore. One thing I do know for sure is that if I have to operate it would be to remove NOT replace. It is just a matter of how to fit it in. I am trying to find out how long of a recooperation is involved. Right now my left breast is acheing like crazy after driving alot today. opening and closing the car door 20 times doesn't help either! Thanks for your support!
Good for you Holly. There's just no good reason to go through all the pain and potential health issues...By the way, I don't blame you for being annoyed at your husband... |
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art
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 06:08:30
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wish the world was populated with more men like you!
But that's just my point.....it is. There a certain distinct minority mindset..let's call it the "stripclub mindset" where size, at the expense of naturalness is the most important thing...But these are just the guys you probably won't be interested in...These fellows are either looking at their wives or girlfriends as status symbols,or maybe they have some sort of fetish...
Again, I want to be careful to qualify everything I'm saying...these are just generalizations..always exceptions..
But the thing is, the love of the female body..that is the real female body...has evolved over the ages..it's hardwired in and does not kick in at the site of basically fake chemical balls in the spot where real breasts are supposed to be...Now it might kick in for some men at the sight of a well endowed woman with fake breasts when her clothes are on, so yes, you might get some mileage there, if that's the kind of thing you like, but when it matters most there's just nothing to be gained, and in fact much to be lost..
I wish more women would understand just how heartbreakingly beautiful they already are, just as God made them... |
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holly
USA
243 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2005 : 06:09:08
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Art,
I thought my husband was with me on this but when I told him I was in severe pain yesterday after driving around , opening doors etc. he started bringing up TMS again! I went balistic! The problem with TMS and husbands (or wives I guess) is that if you have experienced TMS in the past on numerous occasions they start thinking EVERYTHING that happens to you involves it! Now that worries me! It is pretty bad that he thinks this breast implant problem is TMS just because it gets worse when I drive and open doors! For goodness sake why wouldn't the pulling etc. inflame the situation!! I'm pissed! It's Enough that I have to deal with this problem in the first place.  |
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art
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 06:25:11
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Hi Holly,
Who knows, but sounds like maybe your husband is kind of invested in them for some reason...
Does he always push TMS, or is it just with this situation...
I would be very careful about applying the TMS model to a situation like yours anyway...
Since they're not doing you any real good, I'm not sure there's a lot to be gained..
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holly
USA
243 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2005 : 17:41:15
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art,
He always pushes TMS. Always. |
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374 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2005 : 02:25:21
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'I wish more women would understand just how heartbreakingly beautiful they already are, just as God made them...'
That's just it, Art - most women don't like their own body. In a recent study here in the UK a huge majority reported that they were not happy with their body and would like to change at least one part of it. I suspect that it is not that different in the US either.
The question is, why? The answer is certainly complex and pretty deep-rooted. All kinds of pressures are at work here - among them - the huge power of the advertisers of products and services that aid 'beauty'. One pernicious advert for a face cream that aired for months and months over here on our TV stations and in magazines had the punchline, 'Let surgery Wait,' in other words, cosmetic surgery is a natural development in a woman's life, but our cream will do the job, for now.
We have a disgusting culture of 'Laddism' here in Britain (I don't think the US has quite the same probelm - at least to the same degree). There are a whole raft of magazines aimed at young men; I'm not talking about the usual porn, like Playboy or Penthouse; they have naked women draped all over the place, of course, but they are full of 'advice to the lads', on how to get women into bed and they berate any female who does not conform to the pneumatic, ever-sexually available stereotype. One of them even had a competition to win a 'boob-job' for your girlfriend. To be fair the Press Complaints Authortiy censured them for that. Most of them are published weekly and can be bought in every store that stocks magazines.
The thing is - decent men can tell us, till they are blue in the face, that we are fine as we are, but the drip-drip effect of present-day attitudes gets to most of us.
It's interesting that you say it's different for women who have implants because of cancer surgery, Art. I have heard that said often, but really it is no different. It's just a particularly extreme example of what some women (and I'm self-aware enough these days to know why I subjected myself to very major surgery that was not needed for my recovery) will do to for their appearance.
My husband was distressed that I wanted to go through a huge procedure that involved removing a muscle from my back and inserting an implant to consrtuct a replacement breast. There I was, happily married to the man I love, telling him that I was having the operation anyway - even though he didn't want me to.
This is an interesting topic - not directly relevant to TMS issues, perhaps, but dissatisfaction with one's appearance may well be a factor in the development of psychologically induced physical pain. |
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art
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Posted - 12/08/2005 : 09:05:01
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It's interesting that you say it's different for women who have implants because of cancer surgery, Art. I have heard that said often, but really it is no different. It's just a particularly extreme example of what some women (and I'm self-aware enough these days to know why I subjected myself to very major surgery that was not needed for my recovery) will do to for their appearance
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You're right Anne, it is no different, not really. I knew that when I wrote it, but in my desire to avoid hurting anyone's feelings, I found myself bending over backwards with qualifiers...
I saw an exhibition of a series of photographs taken of women who'd had one or both breasts removed..I found the photos quite powerful, all the more so because these women were so beautiful..
There's nothing in the way of breast size, or even breasts themselves, that can make a woman any less womanly, any less beautiful.. |
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Posted - 12/08/2005 : 11:28:43
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The thing is - decent men can tell us, till they are blue in the face, that we are fine as we are, but the drip-drip effect of present-day attitudes gets to most of us.
Just to add, for my part, I found your use of the word "decent" interesting, Anne. I think it subtly reveals that the kind of thinking that compelled you to get surgery still persists, as if men like your husband, and perhaps myself, are only being "decent"...."polite," and that underneath we really don't mean what we say...
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