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leegold
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 Posted - 08/05/2005 : 06:26:22
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good stuff, all! i am encouraged and strengthened by this community
FYI: for any who are bible-believers, sarno and tms line up perfectly.
-in proverbs 14:30 solomon said 'a tranquil heart is life to the body but passion (anger) is rottenness to the bones'
- paul said 'be transformed by the renewing of the mind'
i have realized that my affinity for focusing on the body came very early in life. one of the things i did in the course of my journaling was to create a timeline of all the 'maladies'. i was amazed how i jumped from 1 to the next to the next- unfortunaltely not always instead of but in addition to- but ALWAYS something. 20 yrs worth of mix-and-match: major depression, asthma, yeast-infection, epstein-barr virus, insomnia (back again now im fighting the tms), anxiety, back pain, chiropractic addiction (been adjusted on every vacation around the world for the last 10 yrs) etc. before that college workaholism and in high school drug use. during it all i also overeat (which everyone knows is a cover for low self-esteem and emotion avoidance). ALL took an AMAZING amount of time, $$ and FOCUS
in fact when i was inpatient for depression 17 yrs ago my file noted how i was 'excessively focused on body'. my wife has been praying for years for me to get the real answer- and now i have. she always said 'it's always something with you'
anyway, just bringing everything into the light and sharing dissipates a lot of it's power to hold us hostage.
keep up the work, everyone- nothing worthwhile is easy!! |
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n/a
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Posted - 08/05/2005 : 09:47:27
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You sum it up perfectly, Leegold - 'Always something.' That's spot on!
I'm not a religious person myself, but the quotation from Proverbs really says it all, doesn't it.
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2scoops
USA
386 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2005 : 10:25:23
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Mat 6:27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
Mat 6:28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
Mat 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. |
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Baseball65
USA
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Posted - 08/05/2005 : 10:44:13
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...Don't get me started.The Biblical metaphors are innumerable.
Remember the guys who lower their buddy through the roof because they can't get through the crowd.
Jesus says" you're sins are forgiven you(unconscious rage/guilt/shame?) and the man gets up and walks.
Many times in the New Testament,Jesus says"It is your FAITH that has healed you....go and sin no more"...implying it was not him,but rather their faith in him that caused the healing...e.g. the Centurions sick servant...."In all of Israel I have not seen a faith such as this"
...and of course the quick sentence about "...he went about Galille but could heal few for they said "Is this not Josephs son and the Brother of James and Joses??"..."so because they had no Faith he could perform few miracles .."..."A Prophet is without honor in his own home"
The list is endless.Jesus was sort of like a Zen TMS therapist...you're healed because you believe ,and you believe because you're healed.
uh oh...you got me started.
peace
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Marg
New Zealand
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Posted - 08/05/2005 : 11:31:07
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| leegold, I can sympathise with the insomnia. Over the 14 months I have averaged 4 1/2 hours sleep per night. Not enough. Anyway, I think I have cracked this one as of only a couple of nights ago. When I wake up in the night now, I say some prayers and ask for protection. I roll over knowing that I am lying in the embrace of the Lord and fall asleep. I can wake several times during the night and each time I do I just repaeat the process. It is working. Previously, I would lie there quietly and meditate, that is also good. You don't sleep but at least you are resting peacefully. Good Luck. |
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leegold
USA
66 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2005 : 12:26:17
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marq-
do u find that your tms pain is greater on the days after a poor nights sleep? i do. dr s listed 'sleep probs' in my list of tms and equivalents during my visit. for me, insomnia is one of the longer standing issues- varying degrees for the last 22 years! although sleep probs have always and typically been assoc. with emotional issues
2scoops- good scriptures to keep us from anxiety- unfortunately its not the conscious stuff but the unconscious that causes the tms. boy, if we only had conscious control over the unconscious... jesus did say that the heart is deceitful, and surely tms is exactly the deceitful heart running scams to get us to avoid the real 'heart' of the issue. |
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Marg
New Zealand
24 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2005 : 13:07:43
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leegold, Prior to Sarno my nights were scary and I had little sleep. If I dreamed it was usually about death so my life was full of anxiety and stress. Depression was bad and so was the chronic pain. Sarno took away the anxiety, so my nights became quiet, calm and peaceful. My bodyclock was totally out of wack so I still didn't sleep but I was restful and so that was all I needed. I never seemed tired anymore, meditating at night helped. For me the pain can always be tracked back to the emotions or it is of no significance and I ignore it. On one occassion I had pain which I could not find the answer to, so I raged anyway, it was like my worst enermy had come back but this time it was not prepared to show its face. What a coward, but he made me very cross and I fought it.I am a little different from other people, sometimes my pain comes from the the emotions of my nearest and dearest. You could say I am very sensitive to the emotions of others. This makes TMS a little bit more fun, I have to speak to my family and find what is happening for them. I know I am very strong, I have to be. Luckily for me I do not really have the family problems. Yeah sure, my childhood was crap, but my parents know that was the case and we have all moved on. I have a lovely husband and four beautiful children. I think that makes the difference. But I can relate to the problems people have while out driving. I am a shocker, in fun, husband is always saying he will buy me my own steering wheel for the backseat. Marg
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n/a
560 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2005 : 21:23:55
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| I feel a bit uneasy about the religous stuff on the forum as I feel there is prostelyzing taking place. I wish we could just keep these kinds of things to ourselves. Sorry, but I am turned off by this. There are other forums for that type of thing. Speaking for myself only, I am here to work on getting better and not be convinced about someone's faith convictions. |
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Dave
USA
1864 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2005 : 07:24:39
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Originally posted by PeterMcKay
I feel I bit uneasy about the religous stuff on the forum as I feel there is prostelyzing taking place. I wish we could just keep these kinds of things to ourselves. Sorry, but I am turned off by this. There are other forums for that type of thing. Speaking for myslef only, I am hear to work on getting better and not convinced someone's faith convictions.
You're absolutely right and it's clearly against forum policy.
For those who find religion helpful in treating TMS, that's great, but that's not what this forum is about. |
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almost there
109 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2005 : 07:51:17
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Dave,
Thanks again for stepping in and getting this Forum back on track....I've noticed lately the posts seem to be all about issues that really have little or nothing to do with TMS and Dr. Sarno! |
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moose1
162 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2005 : 08:15:41
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Great moderating as usual, Dave. I respect peoples' religious beliefs as much as anyone, but not when they're put on parade.
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electraglideman
USA
162 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2005 : 12:14:30
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Leegold,
You bring up a very good observation when you said "during it all I also overate (Which everyone knows is a cover for low self esteem and emotion avoidance). How many times have we went to the kitchen for a snack just to take our minds off of what's bothering us. I have noticed that I have been taking off some unwanted pounds and inches, without really trying, since I have been practicing Dr. Sarno's methods.
Another good reason to continue with the program.
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leegold
USA
66 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2005 : 19:08:22
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1.why is it that every book and belief are ok to expound upon and recommend and quote in this forum except the bible? it has a lot of wisdom and is a good commentary on the human condition (which is exactly what we are dealing with here).
2.If you look at the 2 quotes i mentioned, they are both psychological truths (which is again what we are dealing with here) and not at all "religious"
3.as to proselytizing- please read the definition:
v. pros·e·ly·tized, pros·e·ly·tiz·ing, pros·e·ly·tiz·es
v. intr.
1. To induce someone to convert to one's own religious faith.
2. To induce someone to join one's own political party or to espouse one's doctrine.
v. tr.
To convert (a person) from one belief, doctrine, cause, or faith to another.
please read the posts again- nobody in this thread has tried to induce or convert anyone to do or believe anything
4.having said all that, i will comply with your wishes to ban any direct references to the bible, religion and/or any deity, and i imagine the others who posted after me will also comply; after all, we are all just trying to make our lives work and this forum is a helpful part of that. i have to say, though, that it seems ridiculous to target only one book/belief (and the all time #1 bestseller at that) while allowing all others to continue to post.
Lee
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JohnD
USA
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Posted - 08/21/2005 : 21:16:35
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| From my point of view, it didn't seem that anyone was pushing any type of beliefs on anyone else. It just seemed like a friendly conversation |
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Scottydog
United Kingdom
330 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2005 : 07:57:43
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I disagree. I don't go to church and feel quite disheartened when I read all thses biblical quotes. It's no longer just messages being a sharing of tms problems and belief in Sarno's cure but we also need "proof" that God supports Sarno's words and is supporting (some) of us all the way.
Anne
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 08/22/2005 : 08:20:37
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quote:
Originally posted by leegold
1.why is it that every book and belief are ok to expound upon and recommend and quote in this forum except the bible? it has a lot of wisdom and is a good commentary on the human condition (which is exactly what we are dealing with here).
If you read the policy of this site you will see there are no rules against quoting the bible.
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2.If you look at the 2 quotes i mentioned, they are both psychological truths (which is again what we are dealing with here) and not at all "religious"
And as you can see, I did not delete the post.
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4.having said all that, i will comply with your wishes to ban any direct references to the bible, religion and/or any deity
These are your words, not the forum policy.
I will not allow (yet another) drawn out discussion on what is and what is not relevant on this forum. Our long-time members understand where I'm coming from and realize that I have a pretty liberal policy when it comes to moderating.
As always, those who are offended by the forum's policy or feel they are being unjustly censored are free to stop visiting. |
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leegold
USA
66 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2005 : 08:22:31
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scottydog-
why give someone the power to cause u 2b disheartened because of their point of view? if you dont agree, then dont agree- im sure there have been plenty of posts that you dont necessarily agree with.
there are plenty of beliefs that i totally disagree with on this forum, but i just disagree with what i disagree with and use what i can use.
use the grocery store analogy: take what u want and leave the rest on the shelf. nobody is trying to "prove" sarno is biblically correct; its no different then when one person posts how wayne dyer's or john bradshaw's or louise hay's or deepak chopra's writings support and help in their tms recovery,
Lee
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Scottydog
United Kingdom
330 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2005 : 08:53:33
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It makes me feel that there is a clique who are turning to
god for there recovery whcih leaves me out in the cold as I don't believe in one so I will need to keep that in mind when I read their views instead of just thinking that they are in the same "trying to sort out my life/health probs with Sarno" mindset that I have.
Anne
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ssjs
USA
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Posted - 08/22/2005 : 10:52:15
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Since so many times people who use bible passages would love to convert others,or show differently believers the wrongness of their ways, those of us who are not into that feel very uncomfortable, even if that is not what your particular agenda is.
We may or may not believe in a god, but it has been my experience thet if we do not believe in the way the quote-er's believe, it can get weird.
That is why there is such discomfort. I have no problem if there is a string of posts with god in them, but if turns up in all strings, well that is not really what this board is about.
I have also noticed that SOMETIMES when people look to religion to save them...or any other new age stuff...SOMETIMES...they do not take enough steps to really look into themselves.
They become distracted by the dogma.
On the other hand..I guess it does save some.
I will add a John Lennon quote here "God is a concept by which we measure our pain"
Then I will quote no more...except for Sarno.
Sandy
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art
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Posted - 08/22/2005 : 12:25:19
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Can't resist these sorts of discussions...Thus, my two cents...
I'm as anti-religion as they come....In my view,religion is one of the great destructive forces in the world and we would all be better off without it...Just my opinion of course...
Having said that, I didn't see anything offensive in lee's biblical quotations..In fact I found them pretty interesting in a universal/pyschological/non-sectarian kind of way.
I think the danger is that there are some who can't read such things without getting all god-ish on us...We all have different beliefs and non-beliefs and clearly blatantly religious posts are out of place here...It's simply impossible to say "I believe in "x" without offending those who believe in "y"
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yowire
USA
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Posted - 08/22/2005 : 13:45:19
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It may be beneficial for those who have a strong reaction to seeing biblical quotes to dig deeper for the reasons why. Dr. Sarno mentions that our religious upbringing can be a large source of internal rage.
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some things to consider...
