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jjgold
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mala
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 Posted - 06/26/2005 : 18:34:51
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jjgold
Thank you for that. It has just convinced me even more that I'd rather be here than there anytime mate. They are so entrenched in thinking about the physical symptoms poor sods. I mean the way they list their symptoms and no. of operations and medication that they are taking. It's a real competition out there to see who has more stuff going on and they seem to take pride in it too.
Good luck to them that's all I can say. Now why don't you just go back there where I think you belong and stay there.
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Posted - 06/26/2005 : 18:42:16
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This is an example of people who are either in denial or they are victims of Cartesian thinking which sees no link between the mind (emotions) and body. They get caught up in that whole "there is physical pain therefore there must be a physical cause" thing. I actually feel sorry for such people, and such thinking goes against new information researchers and observers have learned about the mindbody connection. Also, to the person who stated that Dr. Sarno's work is unscientific obviously did not read his work carefully. It is way more scientific than what passes for "mainstrem" explanations for many types of physical pain and his success rate and the other TMS docs who use his methods are wayyyyyyyyy higher.
I think at least giving Dr. Sarno's methods an honest try is worth the effort and thousands can say amen to that.
BTW, Dr. Sarno never said he had a 100% success rate, and no doctor would claim that. |
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jjgold
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Posted - 06/26/2005 : 20:44:49
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Originally posted by PeterMcKay
This is an example of people who are either in denial or they are victims of Cartesian thinking which sees no link between the mind (emotions) and body. They get caught up in that whole "there is physical pain therefore there must be a physical cause" thing. I actually feel sorry for such people, and such thinking goes against new information researchers and observers have learned about the mindbody connection. Also, to the person who stated that Dr. Sarno's work is unscientific obviously did not read his work carefully. It is way more scientific than what passes for "mainstrem" explanations for many types of physical pain and his success rate and the other TMS docs who use his methods are wayyyyyyyyy higher.
I think at least giving Dr. Sarno's methods an honest try is worth the effort and thousands can say amen to that.
BTW, Dr. Sarno never said he had a 100% success rate, and no doctor would claim that.
THIS IS FROM A SCIENTIST, SHE IS SAYING PROPER LIFTING USING YOUR KNEES AND SQUATTING PROPERLY TO LIFT THINGS. ALSO PROPR SITTING WILL ELMINATE PAIN.
lisa_tos12-06-2004, 04:16 PM
As a scientist, I found his books very unscientific. And if you look in PubMed or other medical databases you will not find much following in the scientific literature for his theories.
I do think there is something to the fact that the mind can influence to some degree the amount pain you are in, but if you have signicant spinal pathology your mind is not going to modulate it enough that you are pain free.
I feel it's too bad that his work on mindbody connection is what became popular because I think there are better books and approaches that are a helpful adjunct to a pain management program and that do not blame the patient for not being able to eliminate all organic pain. |
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Carolyn
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Posted - 06/26/2005 : 21:30:47
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I think it is time to ignore these posts. Why are you so bothered by the fact that so many of us have gotten better?
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Carolyn
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Posted - 06/26/2005 : 21:38:32
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I just went and read the link and before I officially ignore these posts, I have to add that not a single person on that board had actaully tried Sarno's method seriously. They all just dismissed hom as an idiot because they assumed it wouldn't work- that's your jury?
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Suzanne
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Posted - 06/26/2005 : 22:10:50
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Originally posted by jjgold
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Originally posted by PeterMcKay
This is an example of people who are either in denial or they are victims of Cartesian thinking which sees no link between the mind (emotions) and body. They get caught up in that whole "there is physical pain therefore there must be a physical cause" thing. I actually feel sorry for such people, and such thinking goes against new information researchers and observers have learned about the mindbody connection. Also, to the person who stated that Dr. Sarno's work is unscientific obviously did not read his work carefully. It is way more scientific than what passes for "mainstrem" explanations for many types of physical pain and his success rate and the other TMS docs who use his methods are wayyyyyyyyy higher.
I think at least giving Dr. Sarno's methods an honest try is worth the effort and thousands can say amen to that.
BTW, Dr. Sarno never said he had a 100% success rate, and no doctor would claim that.
THIS IS FROM A SCIENTIST, SHE IS SAYING PROPER LIFTING USING YOUR KNEES AND SQUATTING PROPERLY TO LIFT THINGS. ALSO PROPR SITTING WILL ELMINATE PAIN.
lisa_tos12-06-2004, 04:16 PM
As a scientist, I found his books very unscientific. And if you look in PubMed or other medical databases you will not find much following in the scientific literature for his theories.
I do think there is something to the fact that the mind can influence to some degree the amount pain you are in, but if you have signicant spinal pathology your mind is not going to modulate it enough that you are pain free.
I feel it's too bad that his work on mindbody connection is what became popular because I think there are better books and approaches that are a helpful adjunct to a pain management program and that do not blame the patient for not being able to eliminate all organic pain.
OOOOoooooh, she's a SCIENTIST <gasp!>, I'm so convinced now because she was given a degree. Big deal.
Who said it needs to be scientific? And she made a really ignorant statement — "I feel it's too bad that his work on mindbody connection is what became popular because I think there are better books and approaches that are a helpful adjunct to a pain management program and that do not blame the patient for not being able to eliminate all organic pain." Guess what? He does NOT blame the patient. People who read that into the book are idiots. People who read the book and get that out of it are on the defensive.
People like you who come along and stir the pot really piss me off. You don't know squat. But anyway...
Before I heard about TMS I was on the BrainTalk neuro boards often. What a PITY PARTY those people are, and how they LOVE to go get CUT OPEN and rack up surgeries to put in their sigs. Great forums; some kind folks suggested I get epidural injections, others said morphine pops! Hey now! Sounds like a party! I'm on NO medications now for pain, so whatcha say?!
Dude, I don't know who you are, and I don't care, but before you come along and start playing know-it-all and trying to show proof, why not research the other side well enough to see that YOU'RE SO WRONG IT'S FUNNY. Go look at The Mindbody Prescription reader reviews on amazon.com AGAIN. Are you saying those people are all wrong, and they aren't better? I realize you're the 'quack' here because you like to only point out the negative in everything, and the fact that you came here to bash a doctor that has helped thousands become pain-free (whereas surgery has NOT, mind you!) and then promote the little back booklet you get from the back doc's office...whooo! Can you say ISSUES?
Hey, you're right, buddy. I have TMS. (but I'm delusional, according to your scientist and possibly you) see, I have pain when I sit, ALL THE TIME. Strangely, I DON'T when I go on vacation. Not even for 10 minutes. I had such horrible pain a week ago today, I wanted to die. Yesterday and today, I had NO PAIN while sitting at all. I've been away from home. My pain only goes away when I go away.
A Neurologist diagnosed me with a neuropathy years ago. He's a pretty well respected doctor in New York City. Guess what he says I have now?
TMS! Oh, my doctor must have lost his medical degree and went insane!
My internist used to say my symptoms were like fibromyalgia and coccydynia. Now he says "Thank God you were told it was TMS or you'd be getting all sorts of injections and painkillers, which would not work, and doped up for nothing, and support groups of pitiful people who would only bring you down." Yes, my internist has lost his marbles and gone quack as well.
I just had to thow my 2 cents in. jjgold, come back when you have a clue as to what you're talking about.
Well, that felt good. And jjpoo? Please take some psychology books out of the library, or learn something about the workings of the mind before you go rambling again. You haven't even touched the surface. I did a few years of heavy research on mindbody issues, and already has psychology in my background. I've now taken it much further. I suggest you do something about your schooling before making decisions. Just because someone's a "scientist" doesn't mean they know everything. Ditto goes for all doctors. My own will tell you that. Not every doc knows about every damn thing!
I can go get a degree in anything, and suck at it. I can then post on message boards about the thing I majored in, and people like you will take my word, because I'm a <whatever my title is from my great degree>. |
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Posted - 06/27/2005 : 06:36:26
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Yeah, well your so called "scientists" say herniated disks cause pain but we now that is not true, and that is proven time and again by Dr. Sarno and numerous other TMS helath professionals. These so called "scientists" say a lot of things about what causes pain but slowly and surely they are being proven dead wrong. jjgold, you are waging a losing battle here.
BTW, none of us are interested in "pain managment" we are working on elliminating our pain like thousands of others have using TMS treatment. |
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