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| icelikeaninja |
Posted - 08/05/2013 : 14:55:02
Hey everyone,
Been doing my work and still much better than before thank goodness this makes me very happy.
So TMS is waxing and waining through out the day, not so much on a constant level and I do actually have days were I am pain free.
I am making progress and its great, I was hanging out with a friend yesterday, went to the beach had a great time.
All of my conditioning essentially went out the window yesterday and it isnt until writing this that I relized that. I've done the same exact thing with the same person in the beginning of the summer and it was a different story.
My dreams are becoming more vivid as well. I start my new job on Thursday and am looking forward to getting out of the house. I have a feeling one reason the tms is lingering is because I am BORED TO DEATH staying at home and having NOTHING to do.
Now when I get the twinges of TMS or it gets worst than a certain time I become very impatient. I see good result, get slammed then back to square one thinking about my body and the tms diagnosis.
Has anybody over came the impatient part? Especially after seeing such great results?
**Sure I can lay down on a bed of nails and not have pain but why am I having back pain when laying down on a soft mattress? |
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| icelikeaninja |
Posted - 08/13/2013 : 17:06:29
His approach is similar. Iam just reclaiming my life is all. One day at a time.
I am just doing the mental work as best I can
**Sure I can lay down on a bed of nails and not have pain but why am I having back pain when laying down on a soft mattress? |
| icelikeaninja |
Posted - 08/12/2013 : 16:25:59
quote:
Originally posted by EileenTM
You know Balto has an inspiring success story where he uses the same approach. I read it and that was the turning point for me. He says for one week he will fear nothing..nothing at all.
And in that time he lived his life and his symptoms disappeared.
Wonderful stuff!
Eileen
Are you replying to me or someone else on this thread? Going to read baltos story now
**Sure I can lay down on a bed of nails and not have pain but why am I having back pain when laying down on a soft mattress? |
| EileenTM |
Posted - 08/12/2013 : 09:00:18
You know Balto has an inspiring success story where he uses the same approach. I read it and that was the turning point for me. He says for one week he will fear nothing..nothing at all.
And in that time he lived his life and his symptoms disappeared.
Wonderful stuff!
Eileen |
| Singer_Artist |
Posted - 08/11/2013 : 19:53:58
Alan, you are awesome! Wish I could have found your work years ago!!
Karen |
| Singer_Artist |
Posted - 08/11/2013 : 19:49:27
OMG..neither did I!! Wow...us TMSers can sure be space cadets sometimes, lol! |
| icelikeaninja |
Posted - 08/11/2013 : 19:18:48
Haha I totally did not put together that I just replied to the guy who's video I watch every night
**Sure I can lay down on a bed of nails and not have pain but why am I having back pain when laying down on a soft mattress? |
| Singer_Artist |
Posted - 08/11/2013 : 19:02:56
Holy cow, Alan..this is great stuff..thank you!!!
Karen |
| icelikeaninja |
Posted - 08/11/2013 : 15:13:24
Alan, yea that page has helped me immensely.
I watch the video every night for the past few days to reinforce my thought process.
All of these clips I see a lot of myself in. It's reassuring but also a little traumatic because I/we share a lot of traits with strangers.
I understand even more so why therapy helped and is important for me because I share a lot of these issues with everyone who called into that radio show.
Sometimes I feel as if iam so far gone that I get hopeless. But I try my best to understand these things aren't my fault and have to stop feeling as if iam a victim.
I share all the childhood abuse etc. I mean at 14 years old I had to schedule my first appointment to the dentist. My mom totally neglected me for her husband, even today she still does this.
I became so conditioned to the way she acted and finally understood that at 14 I shouldn't be schedule my very first dentist appointment. That is wrong on so many levels and I need to relive these things in order to get rid of them.
**Sure I can lay down on a bed of nails and not have pain but why am I having back pain when laying down on a soft mattress? |
| alangordon |
Posted - 08/11/2013 : 13:24:11
Pain and anxiety serve the same underlying purpose, so it's not surprising that you don't need one when you have the other.
Often anxiety/pain is a function of disempowerment. There's an empowerment/fear scale, with empowerment on one end and fear on the other. You can't feel empowered when you're shrouded in fear, and you can't feel fear when you're empowered.
Empowerment's a strong feeling, fear is the opposite. There's different paths to feeling empowered. Anger is one of them.
Go to the 9 minute mark of this clip:
http://www.tmswiki.org/ppd/TMS_Recovery_Program#Prioritize_Yourself
Notice how as soon as John moves from fear to empowerment, his anxiety goes away.
It's not a coincidence. Working toward a general stance of empowerment is one of the ultimate ways to neutralize your symptoms.
The following clip is from my own experience, and describes a good technique for empowering yourself:
http://www.tmswiki.org/ppd/TMS_Recovery_Program#Stand_Up_to_the_Inner_Bully |
| icelikeaninja |
Posted - 08/11/2013 : 10:25:20
Plum,
As the pain decreases the anxiety increases. As I focus less on my body my thoughts go into places they have not been in years.
When I calm the anxiety the pain increases.
Is this considered a conditioned response or a symptom imperative?
**Sure I can lay down on a bed of nails and not have pain but why am I having back pain when laying down on a soft mattress? |
| plum |
Posted - 08/11/2013 : 04:43:05
Ice, I enjoy reading your posts. Like your name, your words are refreshing and your focus on emotions is a heads-up not to yield to a description of various pain and maladies.
Pleased to hear the new job goes well. Shame Claire Weekes hasn't hit the spot but it doesn't matter as there are other resources. Discovering that audio works well for you is great. I'm inclined this way myself. Apparently the audio version of The Great Pain Deception is in the pipeline, meantime here's a radio interview with SteveO.
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7648&SearchTerms=steveo,interview
Have you tried listening to music to help lower your anxiety? Maybe classical or instrumental? I defer to my headphones when my brain starts to fry. I find certain instrumental pieces act as circuit-breakers and I can actually feel my whole system calm down. Songs don't seem to give the same benefits because there is a narrative that your mind tends to follow. Pure music lets you fly.
I was thinking about impatience, which is something I'm no stranger to, and one thing I've found that works really well is giving way. I find it opens you up when the tendency to close down strikes.
Here's the link explaining this:
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8055&SearchTerms=giving,way,
Forest, green with envy. Traveling is such fun. May you both have a fabulous time. Stay safe my dear, and come back to us full of tales. |
| mala |
Posted - 08/11/2013 : 02:47:19
Forest, will u be coming to Hong Kong. I'd love to show you around. Let me know. You can message me on my facebook acct. Mala Singh Barber or email me at malabarber@gmail.com.
Hope u can make it.
Mala
"It is more important to know what sort of person has a disease than to know
what sort of disease a person has." ~ Hippocrates (460-377 B.C.)
Mala Singh Barber on Facebook |
| icelikeaninja |
Posted - 08/10/2013 : 20:52:26
Nice! How long are you going for?
The anxiety has been worst with Claire weekes, I had to stop . It helped perfectly at first after a week I had a huge surge of anxiety that didn't leave.
After a few pay checks iam going to take flight lessons again hopefully. In the mean time I have an Xbox 360 game I have not opened or played so that would be a good idea to get immersed in it.
I go to sleep every night with that Gordon video. I read Steveos book and he made me realize I might do better with audio like he did.
Very insightful guy
**Sure I can lay down on a bed of nails and not have pain but why am I having back pain when laying down on a soft mattress? |
| forestfortrees |
Posted - 08/10/2013 : 19:11:34
Well, congratulations on your courage and hard work. Have you tried Claire Weekes? I'm happy to hear that the Alan Gordon video helps you. If you like listening to things, Claire Weekes also has CDs that you can listen to, and she has a very powerful voice. CMA reported to me that she found them very helpful. The Healing Back Pain CDs can provide a lot of hope as well, because they are narrated by Dr. Sarno, and his confidence can be contagious. But I think that the anxiety comes first. Once the anxiety is gone, it will be so much easier to shrug off your symptoms.
I keep on getting the feeling that what you would really benefit from would be to lose yourself in some activity that you love. Just to stop thinking about your body, your anxiety, and your woes completely for a while. Even if it is something silly like a computer game.
Thanks for the update. I may not be able to check in as much in the coming weeks as I will be traveling to South Korea and China on Monday. I'm incredibly excited as I don't get the chance to travel much (too expensive!). I'll be going with my girlfriend, who was adopted from Korea, and it feels like the trip of a lifetime! |
| icelikeaninja |
Posted - 08/10/2013 : 11:44:57
Hey everyone,
Been working. I am quite familiar with law of attraction and the like.
Alan Gordon is awesome! As far as the impatience I have been listening to Alan Gordon's YouTube video every night. The one where he is talking about the evidence sheet and the 70 year old woman.
It keeps reiterating that my pain doesn't make sense and that I need to challenge all my cause and effect ideals in my head. That this is a distraction.
I do my best not to monitor myself but my anxiety is through the roof these days and my dreams are very very vivid.
Work is good everyone I work with is really really nice and it is a very easy job as long as you are thinking ahead and paying attention to detail, which is a perfectionists dream.
I am better then before when it comes to checking myself etc. I use to check myself easily a dozen or so times a day, now it's only once or twice and I get mad when I do check myself.
But I am breaking a few month old habit one day at a time. As long as I focus on not trusting my logic in this case and try to live my life I will be fine.
I am came to terms that I am really scared of growing up and being an adult. Gotta work in therapy through this one.
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| forestfortrees |
Posted - 08/10/2013 : 07:12:00
Hi SingerArtist, I'm glad to hear you like the advice. I like ice's metaphor of "calming the chatter" and your words help calm some of my internal chatter. (Oh, yes, I have it, too!) The Alan Gordon stuff really helped me a lot, too... that's why I worked so hard at posting it!  He would, I think, refer to the internal chatter as a form of internal bully or internal terrorist, and then suggest using mindfulness (section 3.4 of the program), identification of any childhood roots (section 3.3), empowerment (section 3.8) and self-comfort (section 3.9) to overcome it.
Ice, just out of curiosity, what have you found most helpful in managing the impatience you mentioned in your OP?
BTW, how is the new job?!
My Video Success Story
www.thankyoudrsarno.org
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| Singer_Artist |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 07:25:40
Forest, that is great advice you are giving ice and everyone! I would add that something else that helps me a lot is going to youtube and looking up every law of attraction video I can find. Candace Pert is excellent too..She talks all about how our thoughts really do create reality..fascinating stuff as well as Abraham Hicks! Ice, check these things out when you get a chance and keep having fun! I am doing my best to do the same!
~Hugs,
K |
| plum |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 05:55:32
Alan Gordon's contribution to the wiki is superb. It jibes well with Ace1's Keys and any of the mindfulness approaches. |
| icelikeaninja |
Posted - 08/07/2013 : 13:07:49
Thanks for the insight,
The stuff by Alan Gordon in the tms wiki is also good stuff.
He goes into conditioning responses and it really makes sense, where and when we feel pain and how somethings that give you pain don't.
So I just tell myself when I feel something this is just a conditioned response
**Sure I can lay down on a bed of nails and not have pain but why am I having back pain when laying down on a soft mattress? |
| plum |
Posted - 08/07/2013 : 11:42:35
Icelikeaninja, the keyword here is balance and every last one of us faces that. You're a young man and it's right that you yearn for the cut and thrust of life. Our brief time on earth is to be savoured and it sounds like you've lived fully. Osho once said it benefits us to know whether we are a hare or a tortoise, and to honour that. While I am a tortoise at baseline I absolutely adore working out hard and do so six days a week and afterwards, while my exhausted body rests, I love to meditate. I don't always get chance because life as a carer has its own demands but ideally that's how I like it.
This simple quote may embrace it well "Idleness, like kisses, to be sweet must be stolen." - Jerome K. Jerome.
You can't force relaxation (or pleasure) so simply enjoy yourself. Forest's response sums all that up pretty well. Life has a way of teasing out all our knots if we let it. Most important thing is you're healing and you start work tomorrow.
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